perf-list-digest Thursday, April 1 1999 Volume 02 : Number 073



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Engine swap charge
Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI
Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI
Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI
RE: FTE Perf - SVO
RE: FTE Perf - SVO
Re: FTE Perf - Antique vehicle
RE: FTE Perf - 429 Headers
FTE Perf - Rebuilding a 302
Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI
Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI
FTE Perf - A/f monitor
Re: FTE Perf - A/f monitor
Re: FTE Perf - A/f monitor
Re: FTE Perf - A/f monitor
Re: FTE Perf - A/f monitor
Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI
Re: FTE Perf - Rebuilding a 302
FTE Perf - Still need an expert mechanic and frame specialist
Re: FTE Perf - Rebuilding a 302
FTE Perf - Bigger Tires?
Re: FTE Perf - Bigger Tires?
RE: FTE Perf - Bigger Tires?
Re: FTE Perf - Bigger Tires?
Re: FTE Perf - Bigger Tires?
Re: FTE Perf - Bigger Tires?
Re: FTE Perf - Rebuilding a 302

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:26:24 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE Perf - Engine swap charge

Hello all, I have been asked by a friend of mine to help a guy out with an
engine swap. I was hoping some of you would have an idea what to charge on
this. Its going to be the same engines, one from a junkyard that runs, one
that doesn't run and is in a truck currently. Sorry I can't really relate
it to FTE ... wait, we'll use my truck with the rebuilt 390 to haul the
engine and or other truck ... yeah that's it! :)

whew, that was close ...

If any of you could help me out that'd be great ...


Thanks,
wish
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:27:53 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI

>From: William S Hart
>Subject: Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI
>
>>In 1985 F-150's did ford offer EFI on 302's and 351's,
>>or only on the 302's?
>
>The 351's didn't get their injection until 87, then it
>was throttle body from what someone told me, but
>his son has an 86 w/4V carb that he bought
>new, so I know the 86 351 didn't have FI on it...

Yo Ben & Bill:

EFI was introduced on trucks (and FS Broncos) by both year and weight class.
F150 and Broncos received EFI on all their engines (AFAIK) in 1986. F250HDs and
F350s didn't get EFI until 1988. You could get a 351 w/ EFI on a 1986 F150 or
Bronco, and you could get a carbureted 351 in a 1987 F250HD or F350. (I'm not
sure if the non-HD F250s, i.e. below 8500# GVW, followed the lighter duty trucks
or the HD trucks.)

Dave R (M-block devotee)

P.S. Sorry about the lateness of this info, but I think I stupidly attached an
entire digest to this reply when I sent it yesterday.


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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:50:32 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI

>EFI was introduced on trucks (and FS Broncos) by both year and weight class.
>F150 and Broncos received EFI on all their engines (AFAIK) in 1986. F250HDs
>and
>F350s didn't get EFI until 1988. You could get a 351 w/ EFI on a 1986 F150 or
>Bronco, and you could get a carbureted 351 in a 1987 F250HD or F350. (I'm not
>sure if the non-HD F250s, i.e. below 8500# GVW, followed the lighter duty
>trucks
>or the HD trucks.)
>

How could you get a 351 w/EFI on an 86 ? My roommate has an 86 that his
dad bought new, its got a 4V on it, F150 XLT Larait, auto, 4x4, cruise,
tilt, air, sliding rear window, etc. Then a former roommate had an 87 F150
XLT Larait extended cab etc (2wd), it was multi port ...

I wonder if Ford even knows the answer to this one ... Probably your best
bet on questions like this is to just pop the hood and see what's really
under there ... Seems like somewhere I saw some trivia on this and the 85
F150 5.0 was the first to get the multi port fuel injection .. maybe it was
the 4.9 though ...

Anyway it'd be great if we could find a source that would answer it ...
maybe my roommates truck is just an odd duck too ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:53:26 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI

>It's multi-port. Would any stock mustang parts do anything?

Its hard to say. The later ones probably have better heads and such. If
you can find a wrecked explorer 5.0 that will have the GT 40 heads and
intake on it if I remember right ... Also the mass-air stuff off of the
'stangs might do you some good if you have the speed density system ... the
first step would be to figure out what you want the vehicle to do ... high
speed/revs ? Low end torque ? Daily driver ? Hauling cars all the time ?
campers ? Hills ? 2wd? 4wd ?


Also how do
>they(Ford) expect you to do any work to the pass. side valve cover with
>that whole mess hangin over it?

With scraped knuckles ...



What would it take to convert just the
>engine to carbureted? Thanks!
>

probably a carburetor and intake manifold ... you'd have lots of lights on
the dash come on though if you didn't do things quite right ... your o2
sensors would get pretty growly in a hurry too ...


Just my 2cents

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:06:51 -0800
From: "O'Connell, Dennis M"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - SVO

Is it possible that there are a bunch of Chevy guys making these decisions
for Ford?

Ow, shot myself in the foot again.

Denny 55 Ford with Fart valve covers.

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> Subject: FTE Perf - SVO
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> Hi Guys,
>
>
> Well, according to my latest Super Ford Magazine ,
> SVO is no more.
>
> according to SFM, is is now known as FRT (Ford Racing Technology)
>
> I'll bet our detractors will be pronouncing it as "FART".
>
> I laugh even as I type this. hehehe.
>
>
> "Beater" Bob Davis
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:20:05 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - SVO

>> Hi Guys,
>>
>>
>> Well, according to my latest Super Ford Magazine ,
>> SVO is no more.
>>
>> according to SFM, is is now known as FRT (Ford Racing Technology)
>>
>> I'll bet our detractors will be pronouncing it as "FART".
>>
>> I laugh even as I type this. hehehe.
>>
>>


Does any one else suspect April Fools ?


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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:16:40 -0500
From: Bryan G Sheffler
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Antique vehicle

That's what's pretty cool about Ohio for now. To get historical
(Antique) plates, all a vehicle has to be is at least 25 years old. You
can only drive it and from shows, parades, etc. Another nice thing is
that you can register the car with the year of manufacture plates.
Meaning if Ohio had a year stamped on the plate (I think that ended in
'74?), you can use an old plate for the year your car was produced.
Looks pretty cool to see an old car with Ohio plates from that year.
I've got my '64 registered with the '64 license plate. The historical
plates are a one time fee, but must be returned to the BMV when the
vehicle is sold. I'm crossing my fingers that Ohio doesn't screw it
up!!!!!!

Bryan

On Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:14:19 -0500 am14 daimlerchrysler.com writes:
>Bill Hart writes: >>Hmmm...in IL we put antique plates on our '50
>Buick (when
>it was 45 years
>old, so ...) and according to what I've seen in state licensing, it
>only
>needs 25 years to be an antique vehicle.
>
>I think all this is strictly dependent upon which State you are
>licensing the
>vehicle in. Alabama just changed theirs within the last couple of
>years. It
>was 25 years old, and only to Shows, Parades, and on Sundays etc, and
>the
>license plate never had to be renewed, but now it is something much
>older and
>much stricter about just when you can have the vehicle on the public
>roads, and
>you have to purchase a new tag every year, just like everyone else.
>I'm not
>real familiar with it since I don't use it, but I have some friends
>that had to
>reevaluate the pros and cons, and some even went so far as to go back
>to
>standard registeration of their formerly classed "antique" vehicles.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 09:38:35 -0800
From: "O'Connell, Dennis M"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 429 Headers

The Hooker part number is 6115. The passenger side front tube drops down
approx. 16". this is measured from the firewall side header bolt to the top
of the tube. they run back about 30".

Hope this helps.

Denny 55 F100

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>
> When you get a chance will you post the part number for the headers? The
> last I talked to Summit they just told me about some for a 69-73 2wd
> Pickup. I didnt think that I could make them work. When I put in the
> subframe I built up motor mount "towers" onto the Camaro crossmember. If
> they would clear them I could make them work. Oh, and they must drop
> down low enough to make it under the truck! How much do yours drop from
> where they bolt to the heads and how far back do they run?
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 10:36:41 -0800
From: "Vierra, William BGI SF"
Subject: FTE Perf - Rebuilding a 302

Hello I am new to this list and looking for some help/advise.

Very soon I am going to pull the 71 302 out of my 51 F-1 and either rebuild
it or replace it. The engine, transmission and rear end I believe came out
of a 71 Ford car. This was done apparently two owners ago and I have only
identified the engine so far to tune it.

The engine has what sounds like a lower end knock for about five seconds
after starting and knocks when revved. It's drive-able but I don't believe
reliable. Past experience tells me this is a rod or crank bearing going bad
but since I have never torn down a 302 I am not sure and won't be until its
apart. Any rebuild books to recommend?

What I am also looking for is suggestions on the merits of rebuilding this
motor which I assume is a 2 bolt main motor rather than replacing it with a
4 bolt main 302 or something else. My use of the truck is a truck not a
street rod, but I would like better performance than I am getting now or
would with a stock rebuild. I also want to replace the 2 barrel carb with a
four barrel and mild performance intake. I will also be putting on headers.


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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 11:19:05 -0800
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI

> Yo Ben & Bill:
>
> EFI was introduced on trucks (and FS Broncos) by both year and weight class.
> F150 and Broncos received EFI on all their engines (AFAIK) in 1986. F250HDs
and
> F350s didn't get EFI until 1988. You could get a 351 w/ EFI on a 1986 F150 or
> Bronco, and you could get a carbureted 351 in a 1987 F250HD or F350. (I'm not
> sure if the non-HD F250s, i.e. below 8500# GVW, followed the lighter duty
trucks

This is wrong. It went by engine, not GVWR. The 5.0 got EFI midway through
1985. The 4.9 got it in 1987, and the 5.8 and 7.5 got it in 1988.

Rob
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:20:04 -0600
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI

I sold my 87 Ford F-150 Extended Cab to my dad and it has a factory 351 w/4V
carb on it. So the EFI must have been an option that year...are you sure it
wasn't 88 when it became a standard?

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 13:37:44 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE Perf - A/f monitor

Anybody running a Air/Fuel Ratio Monitor?
Summit has them from three manufacturers,Edelbrock,Holley and K&N.
They read A/F ratio off of a Oxgen sensor.I was thinking with one of
these I could keep my truck in tune no matter the elevation :etc.
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:03:12 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - A/f monitor

At 03:37 PM 3/31/99 , you wrote:
>Anybody running a Air/Fuel Ratio Monitor?
>Summit has them from three manufacturers,Edelbrock,Holley and K&N.
>They read A/F ratio off of a Oxgen sensor.I was thinking with one of
>these I could keep my truck in tune no matter the elevation :etc.

I have heard that these aren't really very accurate ... nothing to base
this on though. I would think a vaccuum gauge would serve you better for
tuning, especially at first if you were calibrating the A/F monitor with
the vaccuum gauge so you knew where you wanted to run ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:38:56 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - A/f monitor

I would think that they would need to pretty accurate in order to keep the
emissions down. This is one of the sensors that the ECM uses to adjust
fuel/air delivery ratio and engine timing. We are talking about the EGO
(Exhaust Gas Oxygen) sensor that plugs into the manifold/header right?

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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Subject: Re: FTE Perf - A/f monitor


>I have heard that these aren't really very accurate ... nothing to base
>this on though. I would think a vaccuum gauge would serve you better for
>tuning, especially at first if you were calibrating the A/F monitor with
>the vaccuum gauge so you knew where you wanted to run ...
>



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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:55:58 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - A/f monitor

At 04:38 PM 3/31/99 , you wrote:
>I would think that they would need to pretty accurate in order to keep the
>emissions down. This is one of the sensors that the ECM uses to adjust
>fuel/air delivery ratio and engine timing. We are talking about the EGO
>(Exhaust Gas Oxygen) sensor that plugs into the manifold/header right?
>
Yeah, sorry I meant the gauges on the end of them weren't very accurate,
sorry for the confusion.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:44:49 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - A/f monitor

Gotcha. Very possible.

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Subject: Re: FTE Perf - A/f monitor


>Yeah, sorry I meant the gauges on the end of them weren't very accurate,



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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:22:27 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI

>
>I wonder if Ford even knows the answer to this one ... Probably your best
>bet on questions like this is to just pop the hood and see what's really
>under there ... Seems like somewhere I saw some trivia on this and the 85
>F150 5.0 was the first to get the multi port fuel injection .. maybe it was
>the 4.9 though ...
>

No, it was the 5.0 that got the MAP multi point injection in '85,
I used to drive one for my former employer.

Just as an asides, is any of the Washington/Oregon members going
to the Portland Swap Meet next weekend??

Steve & the Rockette
63 F100

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:22:28 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Rebuilding a 302

>
>What I am also looking for is suggestions on the merits of rebuilding this
>motor which I assume is a 2 bolt main motor rather than replacing it with a
>4 bolt main 302 or something else. My use of the truck is a truck not a
>street rod, but I would like better performance than I am getting now or
>would with a stock rebuild. I also want to replace the 2 barrel carb with a
>four barrel and mild performance intake. I will also be putting on headers.
>
>

If you're looking fo a 4 bolt main block, it'll cost you more than you're
willing to pay (I'll put a good deal of money on this bet). A 4 bolt main
SVO block runs in the $4000 range, part # is M-6010-C302. A better
value would be the M-6010-A4, which has 4 bolt mains for #'s 2,3,4.
and costs about $1700.

A stock 302 may suprise you in the performance with stock heads,
stock exaust manifolds, and a small 4bbl carb.

Steve & the Rockette
63 F100

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:10:40 -0600
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: FTE Perf - Still need an expert mechanic and frame specialist

I'll post this here as well as the 4x4 section. I'm still trying to find
someone who can give me information concerning the Triton V-10 and the
Automatic Transmission that bolts up to it...the 4R100 or (E4OD). I'm
planning to put this combination up under a 41 Ford Tudor Sedan Deluxe 'car'
on a 4x4 frame. I don't want to have to buy a brand new chassis cab truck
from Ford to obtain the final results. Can anyone tell me if any of the
older frames will work with the V-10? It's my understanding that the
Automatic hubs for the 4x4 are from 89 forward, or is there a recent upgrade
that is better that I'm not mentioning here? Ultimately I want a vehicle
that I can get in and drive anywhere, and if the need arises, switch
inside the vehicle> to 4 wheel drive without having to get out to lock in
the hubs. I have a rare muscle disease that doesn't allow me to get up from
a bent over position or get up from a
sitting position that sits too low. I'm considering using the PTO on the
4R100 to perhaps control a set of hydraulics on the car to raise and lower
it in order to help me get in and out more easily. So when I get down to
it, it's gonna be a truck without the truck body. Does anyone know their
Fords enough to point me in the right direction here? I've gotten some
tidbits here and there, but nothing concrete yet. Forget sending me to the
dealer, they are barely able to explain the difference between a Light Duty
and Super Duty chassis. Yeah I know it would be easy to find a older Ford
4x4 and slap a 351 or 460 in it, but this is also a dream machine too...I'm
pretty set on the Triton V-10
finished proudly Ford from front to rear, top to bottom>. Once I can work
out the chassis and drive train the rest of the project will fall into place
with ease...can someone help? This isn't a joke, I'm gonna get this car
built one way or another, I'd just like to avoid the really hard bumps in
the road in the process.

Thanks
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:47:12 EST
From: FLR150 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Rebuilding a 302

Well, I have a '94 F150 Flareside SC with the 5.0 EFI and 4R70W trans. I have
done some performance work on it, but it still needs tuning. I have added as
follows
Superchip, K & N filtercharger, Mac underdrive pulleys, GT40 Iron heads/ported
and polished exhaust side only, E303 cam, Flowtech coated headers, catback
Dynomax exhaust (Supertruck style/exits in front or passenger rear tires),
complete Art Carr components in trans. I haven't Dyno'd it since the tranny
rebuild or the cat back/headers replacement. But when I dyno'd it after the
upper rebuild I was putting out over 300 hp around 3800 rpm,compared to the
185 hp 4200 rpm. My total investment so far including labor has been $2500
and about 20 cases of beer and 20 pizzas..my buds work cheap and they are
certified FORD nuts. Just and example of what you can accomplish on a limited
budget and with some help. All this work was done in a 13 month time span, by
the way.
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"(to owners of unsuspecting IROCS and Z71 pickups)
Website under construction
PS... Now running low 10's in the 1/8. And still needs to be tweaked at the
chip.
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 23:53:45 -0500
From: J Cope
Subject: FTE Perf - Bigger Tires?

Hi all. I've got a stock 88 BII, and I was told by someone at a tire
warehouse that I could fit 30x9.5's on the truck with no rubbing problems.
A friend of mine has them on his 88 Ranger, but he doesn't offroad at
all...
Any input would be appreciated.
Thanks!

JC

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:05:11 EST
From: Bogginf350 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Bigger Tires?

the 30`s will fit the only time they will rub is if you jump it
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 00:20:55 -0500
From: J Cope
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Bigger Tires?

Y'know, that wasn't something I had on my agenda, so I should be all set...
Although, maybe with a few suspension and axle mods..... Hmmmm.......

Thanks for the input!
JC

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Subject:Re: FTE Perf - Bigger Tires?

the 30`s will fit the only time they will rub is if you jump it
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:22:36 EST
From: Bogginf350 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Bigger Tires?

have any questions about the dana28 front in your truck feel free to ask....
ive had a few.. and yeah.. they have seen some airtime
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 22:40:52 -0700
From: "James Draughn"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Bigger Tires?

Just as a comment. I got 9.5 by 30 on my 79 half ton van, and it has plenty
of room, but my sliding side door will slightly rub the back tire when I
open it. Just barely touch the tire, leaves a very slight mark. I don't
even feel it touching when I open or close the door.
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Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Bigger Tires?


>the 30`s will fit the only time they will rub is if you jump it
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 00:31:51 EST
From: Bogginf350 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Bigger Tires?

its a 79 van....... who cares!
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 01:38:01 -0500
From: Bryan G Sheffler
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Rebuilding a 302

I think you will be money a head if you rebuild your motor and use an RV
grind cam/'85 GT 5.0 similiar cam. Blend the bowls on your existing
heads-clean up the Intake/Exhaust ports, or better yet get a set of pre
'77 351-W cylinder heads (69/70 being the best) and blend the bowls,
clean up the Intake/Exhaust ports. The four barrel is a must, and
believe it or not, if you keep your foot out of it, it will deliver
better fuel economy. Complete it with a set of headers, keeping in mind
that you do not need BIG tube headers for a slightly warmed over street
motor- a set of "Tri-y's" would be perfect. Complete it with a 2 1/4"
dual exhaust with good flowing mufflers and I think you will be
surprised! You really don't need a four bolt main block for the street
and it is not 100% nescessary for racing, but it is nice if you have the
cash to spend or you plan on going way too fast. Any way, there is
really nothing wrong with the two bolt block and if you want a stouter
....

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