perf-list-digest Wednesday, March 31 1999 Volume 02 : Number 072



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - RE: Forgive this use of band width.
Re: FTE Perf - Rocker Arms
Re: FTE Perf - Forgive this use of band width.
FTE Perf - Antique vehicle
FTE Perf - Emissions
Re: FTE Perf - Old cars and emissions.....
Re: FTE Perf - Rocker Arms
Re: FTE Perf - Rocker Arms
FTE Perf - '85 EFI
FTE Perf - Jacobs Ignition continued

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:05:47 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: FTE Perf - RE: Forgive this use of band width.

Muel is right. When the Government enacts laws restricting individual
liberty, it is our duty to oppose them (even if you approve of the law in
question!). After all, if you say nothing when they come to take away my
freedom, who will stand up when they come to take yours?

If you value clean air and safe cars and trucks (I certainly do) then ask
Ford to build them that way. Market forces can accomplish these goals
better than legislation can.

lordjanusz juno.com
Libertarian Ford owner
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:38:04 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Rocker Arms

At 03:20 PM 3/27/99 -0800, you wrote:
>After having a lock nut back off from one of my rocker arms, I decided
>to go to the allen head lock nuts. What a scary noise that was. I
>purchased one of the Crane 3/8" sets.
>
>Stock nuts are tightened up 3/4 - 1 3/4 turns and seat on the bolt
>shoulder where they are torqued to 18-22 lbs. I had roller tipped
>rockers on it and they also took the stock tightening spec.
>
>These are '68-71 429/460 heads with the cast iron rockers, using Rhodes
>lifters. The local speed shop told me to take up all the slack in the
>assembly, tighten the nut 3/4 of a turn and lock in the allen screw.
>Using this 3/4 turn method, there's almost a full turn of pre-load left
>in some of the assemblies. I'd appreciate any comments from those of you
>who have used these lockers.
>
>TIA,
>
>George Miller
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>
I've not used the lockers, but I tried adjusting my rocker arms that way
once, and no luck. Dealing with most people they think you can adjust them
"by ear", and as far as I am concerned you can't do this on those heads.
You have to torque them to 22 ft. lbs. I broke a rocker arm bolt, and bent
3 pushrods when I tried to do it the other way. Good Luck!

Brad
78 F150 4X4 429 (out of a 71 galaxy)
The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
not...
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:19:57 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Forgive this use of band width.

Thanks for your message at 09:26 AM 3/29/99 -0600, William S Hart. Your
message was:
>>The law seems to make sense to me. I purchased a brand new car in the
>>state of Oregon and later discovered that it had been totaled prior to
>>being sold to me.
>>
>This sounds slightly illegal if it was not represented as such when sold
>... though it doesn't mean there are problems with it :
>
I've been watching this thread and can't hold back...
I purchased an Aerostar that seemed to be in excellent shape--very clean
and good running-- for $6500. The seller, speaking a little English mixed
with Russian, either didn't tell me or told me in a way I didn't understand
that this was a rebuilt totalled vehicle. I didn't realize it until I got
the title, which had the infomation stamped in red on it. If I would have
examined the title upon purchase, I would have realized the situation. To
make a long story short, when I traded the Aerostar on a Windstar 6 months
later (I had grown tired of recurring various problems with the Aerostar),
the most I could get was $1700 on trade. I took a $5000 bath, or, to put
it another way, I paid $5000 tuition to learn in the school of life...

I consider myself an above average horse (car/truck/minivan) trader, but I
guess in this transaction I was far below average. I will never buy a
vehicle (at least of any value) without first examining the title...a
lesson well-learned..
Dennis L. Pearson

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:14:19 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Antique vehicle

Bill Hart writes: >>Hmmm...in IL we put antique plates on our '50 Buick (when
it was 45 years
old, so ...) and according to what I've seen in state licensing, it only
needs 25 years to be an antique vehicle.

I think all this is strictly dependent upon which State you are licensing the
vehicle in. Alabama just changed theirs within the last couple of years. It
was 25 years old, and only to Shows, Parades, and on Sundays etc, and the
license plate never had to be renewed, but now it is something much older and
much stricter about just when you can have the vehicle on the public roads, and
you have to purchase a new tag every year, just like everyone else. I'm not
real familiar with it since I don't use it, but I have some friends that had to
reevaluate the pros and cons, and some even went so far as to go back to
standard registeration of their formerly classed "antique" vehicles.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:24:02 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE Perf - Emissions

"I don't know about other states, but here in Connecticut,
>the emissions system is a joke.
>
>To wit: 1988 Ranger, 198K on the motor, no tune up in
>50K at least, negative oil changes (just added oil when
>needed for at least 50K, knocking like a banshee and
>no cat converter passed the "test" no sweat.
>
>What does that tell you?"


It tells me why the goverment passes emission laws under the
assumption that a large portion of people do not maintain thier
vehicles properly.
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:42:59 -0500
From: "Bryce Beyler"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Old cars and emissions.....

In Georgia it's a joke too... I just got back from being lightened of $25
for a test on my wife's '95 Contour (2.5L v6). Every once and a while, the
check engine light will flash on for 15 to 30 seconds and go out...I took
her
car today, and the light was off and on for about half the way to the shop
for the test. I figured I'd get the test done, and when it failed, I'd have
'em run the codes out of the computer and get whatever it was fixed... 20
min. later the guy tells me I'm ready to go...passed with no
fixes...Hydrocarbons were 25 times less than the max. allowed, CO was 60
times less than the max. allowed and CO/CO2 was 2.5 times greater than the
min. allowed. As I pulled out of the parking lot, the light came on
again...I guess I'll take it some where else to get the Check Engine
light looked at...

Bryce
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Thomas E. Francis
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 11:11 AM
Subject: FTE Perf - Old cars and emissions.....


>I don't know about other states, but here in Connecticut,
>the emissions system is a joke.
>


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:53:22 -0800
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Rocker Arms

I installed the Crane lock nuts as per the instructions on their
website. Finger tighten down to zero clearance, turning the pushrod to
make sure all the slack is out, tighten down one full turn and torque
the allen head lock to 25lbs. BIG difference in idle and performance.
I'd think that my cam wasn't using it's full range due to the variance
in push rod travel caused by different depths of valve seats, wear and
the fact that the stock rocker fulcrums seat on the bolt shoulder. A
variance of 3/4 turns to 1 3/4 turns can add up to over .040. My roades
lifeters actually decreased in noise at operating temps. Now I better
understand why the stock class drag people place so much importance on
lifter preload. This weekend, I'll go back in and adjust them to 1/2
turn.

George Miller


Brad Smith wrote:
>
> At 03:20 PM 3/27/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >After having a lock nut back off from one of my rocker arms, I decided
> >to go to the allen head lock nuts. What a scary noise that was. I
> >purchased one of the Crane 3/8" sets.
> >
> >Stock nuts are tightened up 3/4 - 1 3/4 turns and seat on the bolt
> >shoulder where they are torqued to 18-22 lbs. I had roller tipped
> >rockers on it and they also took the stock tightening spec.
> >
> >These are '68-71 429/460 heads with the cast iron rockers, using Rhodes
> >lifters. The local speed shop told me to take up all the slack in the
> >assembly, tighten the nut 3/4 of a turn and lock in the allen screw.
> >Using this 3/4 turn method, there's almost a full turn of pre-load left
> >in some of the assemblies. I'd appreciate any comments from those of you
> >who have used these lockers.
> >
> >TIA,
> >
> >George Miller
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> >
> >
> I've not used the lockers, but I tried adjusting my rocker arms that way
> once, and no luck. Dealing with most people they think you can adjust them
> "by ear", and as far as I am concerned you can't do this on those heads.
> You have to torque them to 22 ft. lbs. I broke a rocker arm bolt, and bent
> 3 pushrods when I tried to do it the other way. Good Luck!
>
> Brad
> 78 F150 4X4 429 (out of a 71 galaxy)
> The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
> not...
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 17:54:09 -0800
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Rocker Arms

I installed the Crane lock nuts as per the instructions on their
website. Finger tighten down to zero clearance, turning the pushrod to
make sure all the slack is out, tighten down one full turn and torque
the allen head lock to 25lbs. BIG difference in idle and performance.
I'd think that my cam wasn't using it's full range due to the variance
in push rod travel caused by different depths of valve seats, wear and
the fact that the stock rocker fulcrums seat on the bolt shoulder. A
variance of 3/4 turns to 1 3/4 turns can add up to over .040. My roades
lifters actually decreased in noise at operating temps. Now I better
understand why the stock class drag people place so much importance on
lifter preload. This weekend, I'll go back in and adjust them to 1/2
turn.

George Miller


Brad Smith wrote:
>
> At 03:20 PM 3/27/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >After having a lock nut back off from one of my rocker arms, I decided
> >to go to the allen head lock nuts. What a scary noise that was. I
> >purchased one of the Crane 3/8" sets.
> >
> >Stock nuts are tightened up 3/4 - 1 3/4 turns and seat on the bolt
> >shoulder where they are torqued to 18-22 lbs. I had roller tipped
> >rockers on it and they also took the stock tightening spec.
> >
> >These are '68-71 429/460 heads with the cast iron rockers, using Rhodes
> >lifters. The local speed shop told me to take up all the slack in the
> >assembly, tighten the nut 3/4 of a turn and lock in the allen screw.
> >Using this 3/4 turn method, there's almost a full turn of pre-load left
> >in some of the assemblies. I'd appreciate any comments from those of you
> >who have used these lockers.
> >
> >TIA,
> >
> >George Miller
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> >
> >
> I've not used the lockers, but I tried adjusting my rocker arms that way
> once, and no luck. Dealing with most people they think you can adjust them
> "by ear", and as far as I am concerned you can't do this on those heads.
> You have to torque them to 22 ft. lbs. I broke a rocker arm bolt, and bent
> 3 pushrods when I tried to do it the other way. Good Luck!
>
> Brad
> 78 F150 4X4 429 (out of a 71 galaxy)
> The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
> not...
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:19:47 -0600
From: "ben"
Subject: FTE Perf - '85 EFI

>It would depend which form of EFI you have. If you have the multi port,
>there is all kinds of stuff since most of the Mustang pieces will swap
onto
>it

It's multi-port. Would any stock mustang parts do anything? Also how do
they(Ford) expect you to do any work to the pass. side valve cover with
that whole mess hangin over it? What would it take to convert just the
engine to carbureted? Thanks!

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 01:15:39 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Jacobs Ignition continued

Well folks, I told you Id give ya the skinny on my mileage, and here it is.
Before the Install of the Jacobs I got 8.5 mpg highway. The mileage is now
10.1! Lemme give yall a few details too. As far as the Jacobs goes, It
consisted of the computer, high output coil, and new 8.5mm wires. I also
changed the plugs at this time. They were ready, but they all seemed to be in
normal condition, just old. I dont have a tailgate, and I have 33x12.5
radials in the rear, and 31x9(?) bias plys up front. They are all run at 35
psi. I think this gives all the info you all may need to make your own....


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