perf-list-digest Tuesday, March 30 1999 Volume 02 : Number 071



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - i need help (off topic)
Re: FTE Perf - Forgive this use of band width
Re: FTE Perf - Forgive this use of band width.
Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI
Re: FTE Perf - Forgive this use of band width.
FTE Perf - Old cars and emissions.....
Re: FTE Perf - Old cars and emissions.....
Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI
Re: FTE Perf - i need help (off topic)
FTE Perf - SVO
Re: FTE Perf - 429 Headers

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:00:57 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - i need help (off topic)

At 08:01 PM 3/28/99 , you wrote:
>My neighbor just purchased a 1995 Mustang V6. The first mod he wants to do is
>the exhaust. I was wondering if anyone out there could lead me to a good
>mustang list (do any exist?). Also, if you couldn't, could you tell me
>which exhaust system would be the best for his application. He would primarily
>just be going around town, but he wants to be able to put the (?)rubber
>down(?) when he feels it was necessary.
>
>
For the exhaust, check pace-setter ... http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacesetterexhaust.com/
they make an H-pipe to hook up a cobra/gt cat back system

www.mustangworld.com has a section of aftermarket parts listed for the V6
specifically, possibly even a message board about them.

www.corral.net also has some interesting stuff, though most of it applies
to GT/Cobra you can still find parts on the for sale section sometimes.


Just my 2cents

wish

Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html
'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:04:20 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Forgive this use of band width

>Its my understanding that 50 yrs makes an antique, 25 makes a classic.
>

Hmmm...in IL we put antique plates on our '50 Buick (when it was 45 years
old, so ...) and according to what I've seen in state licensing, it only
needs 25 years to be an antique vehicle. Maybe that'll change as cars get
older, but right now it seems like what the mid west states are doing
(pretty sure IA follows IL on this one). The restrictions are:

1) less than 3000 miles per year
2) can only be out for parades/shows and maintenance

Though no one can really define maintenance, and we've never been pulled
over for driving it to get groceries occasionally. The plates are also
good for 5 years if I remember right ...


Just my 2cents

wish

Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html
'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:26:37 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Forgive this use of band width.

>The law seems to make sense to me. I purchased a brand new car in the
>state of Oregon and later discovered that it had been totaled prior to
>being sold to me.
>
This sounds slightly illegal if it was not represented as such when sold
... though it doesn't mean there are problems with it :

>I do not see why one would be driving a total vehicle. Personally I would
>not want to own, much less drive, anything that had sustained major damage
>to the frame or the body. i.e. totaled.
>
I believe someone mentioned that the insurance company was the one who
determines whether its totalled or not. This point hits kinda close to
home since both of my vehicles have salvage titles on them. My 96 GT is
actually a salvage car. The reason ? Some doof was driving it in the
winter and hit a snow drift. The damage? left front fender, bumper, hood
and roof (small wrinkle I guess) ... total cost to fix ? 1900 ... it got
marked as a salvage. The kid who fixed it tried like the dickens to get
that changed since he had the receipts and everything, but since it was a
different insurance company they wouldn't fix it. My truck is also a mutt,
put together from 4 different trucks and sporting a salvage title. Its not
in nearly as good of shape as the 'stang, but the frame is straight and the
body was in good shape (5 Iowa winters will change that quick) The point
is there are cars out there with salvage titles that are probably in better
shape than some without, so just because it was a prior salvage, doesn't
mean it is worse than the one next to it without it especially as the
vehicles age, in 5 or 10 years will it matter that mine was a salvage ?
Probably not.

>>Passing emission tests is a difficult topic for me. On one hand, if a
restored vehicle can meet the emission standards that were in place the
year it is was manufactured, I think it should be eligible for titling. On
the other hand, I suffer from asthma. I personally think all pollution
should be removed. It would make my breathing easier. ...I think I'll
just stay neutral.

I am also wavery on this topic, on one hand I love the environment and
everything that Mother Nature has done ... on the other, there's nothing
like the roar of an old V8 .... I too have asthma, but it had nothing to do
with the "pollutants" of vehicles, mine is triggered by dust mostly ... it
doesn't matter if I'm in a big city or out on the farm ... actually its
worse on the farm because of the old house usually. Technically the pollen
in the air in the spring is a pollutant, so I can't say I agree with the
terminology that popular culture has plugged on our older vehicles. But
then again I also think that cat's are a joke on todays cars since the new
computer controls have made them essentially useless. The laws shouldn't
have been written to require cats, but rather to require a certain level of
the "pollutants" Several people on the 'stang boards have passed the
emissions tests WITHOUT cats, but been required to put them back on after a
visual inspection. This type of law does not promote cleaner vehicles or
new emissions innovations, rather it prevents these. What's the point of a
cleaner running vehicle if you still need the catalytic ? I think if
they'd required a certain level, then made the level more restrictive every
5 or 10 years, you'd be seeing more 300+ hp monsters running around ....

Sorry, that's probably more than a nickels worth of info, feel free to
email me off line if you have questions about it, I trimmed some of the
logic out (no really I did ... :)

wish
check the links below for "salvaged" vehicles...
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:29:46 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI

>In 1985 F-150's did ford offer EFI on 302's and 351's, or only on the
>302's?

The 351's didn't get their injection until 87, then it was throttle body
from what someone told me, but his son has an 86 w/4V carb that he bought
new, so I know the 86 351 didn't have FI on it...


>What's the aftermarket parts selection like for 80's truck small blocks
>with EFI?
>
It would depend which form of EFI you have. If you have the multi port,
there is all kinds of stuff since most of the Mustang pieces will swap onto
it. If you have the Throttle body injection which is an over hyped
carburetor, then the first thing to do might be to switch to the multi port
system ... a wrecked 5.0 can provide all the computers and stuff you need
to make it work ...


Just my 2cents

wish

Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html
'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 07:59:40 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Forgive this use of band width.

The laws on branded titles differ from state to state. I know that some
states require that if it is determined that there is worth of damage, x
being some arbitrary amount set by our illustrious "leaders", then the title
will be branded though not necessarily as a salvage vehicle.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: William S Hart
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Forgive this use of band width.


>>
>I believe someone mentioned that the insurance company was the one who
>determines whether its totalled or not. This point hits kinda close to
>home since both of my vehicles have salvage titles on them. My 96 GT is
>actually a salvage car. The reason ? Some doof was driving it in the
>winter and hit a snow drift. The damage? left front fender, bumper, hood
>and roof (small wrinkle I guess) ... total cost to fix ? 1900 ... it got
>marked as a salvage. The kid who fixed it tried like the dickens to get
>that changed since he had the receipts and everything, but since it was a
>different insurance company they wouldn't fix it. My truck is also a mutt,
>put together from 4 different trucks and sporting a salvage title. Its not
>in nearly as good of shape as the 'stang, but the frame is straight and the
>body was in good shape (5 Iowa winters will change that quick) The point
>is there are cars out there with salvage titles that are probably in better
>shape than some without, so just because it was a prior salvage, doesn't
>mean it is worse than the one next to it without it especially as the
>vehicles age, in 5 or 10 years will it matter that mine was a salvage ?
>Probably not.
>



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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:12:44 -0500
From: "Thomas E. Francis"
Subject: FTE Perf - Old cars and emissions.....

I don't know about other states, but here in Connecticut,
the emissions system is a joke.

To wit: 1988 Ranger, 198K on the motor, no tune up in
50K at least, negative oil changes (just added oil when
needed for at least 50K, knocking like a banshee and
no cat converter passed the "test" no sweat.

What does that tell you?

Later,

Tom (mailto:tomf neca.com)
S. Woodstock, CT




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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 10:51:32 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Old cars and emissions.....

It tells me that the catalytic converters are still working, the fuel is
cleaner burning, they've probably lowered the emissions standards for the
vehicle and somebody isn't taking very good care of their truck.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Thomas E. Francis
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 8:15 AM
Subject: FTE Perf - Old cars and emissions.....


>I don't know about other states, but here in Connecticut,
>the emissions system is a joke.
>
>To wit: 1988 Ranger, 198K on the motor, no tune up in
>50K at least, negative oil changes (just added oil when
>needed for at least 50K, knocking like a banshee and
>no cat converter passed the "test" no sweat.
>
>What does that tell you?
>



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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:59:34 -0800
From: "Rob Bryan"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - '85 EFI

>>In 1985 F-150's did ford offer EFI on 302's and 351's, or only on the
>>302's?
>
> The 351's didn't get their injection until 87, then it was throttle body
> from what someone told me, but his son has an 86 w/4V carb that he bought
> new, so I know the 86 351 didn't have FI on it...

The 5.8L had a 4bbl holley from '85 to '87. In 1988 it recieved port fuel
injection.

Rob
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:25:08 -0600
From: Sven Setterdahl
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - i need help (off topic)

Just type "Ford Mustang" into your favorite search engine (yahoo, altavista,
etc.) There are too many good sites to list here.

>
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 21:01:08 EST
> From: Metalsped AOL.COM
> Subject: FTE Perf - i need help (off topic)
>
> My neighbor just purchased a 1995 Mustang V6. The first mod he wants to do is
> the exhaust. I was wondering if anyone out there could lead me to a good
> mustang list (do any exist?). Also, if you couldn't, could you tell me
> which exhaust system would be the best for his application. He would primarily
> just be going around town, but he wants to be able to put the (?)rubber
> down(?) when he feels it was necessary.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Rich May
> 1999 F250 Super Duty
> 1989 Centurion C350
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:49:44 -0600
From: "Robert F. Davis"
Subject: FTE Perf - SVO

Hi Guys,


Well, according to my latest Super Ford Magazine ,
SVO is no more.

according to SFM, is is now known as FRT (Ford Racing Technology)

I'll bet our detractors will be pronouncing it as "FART".

I laugh even as I type this. hehehe.


"Beater" Bob Davis
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 00:22:20 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 429 Headers

At 05:46 AM 3/25/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Did you have any problem with the 429 headers fitting in the truck? How
>much did you pay? I have a 60 F100 with a Camaro subframe and a 429 too.
>No one can tell me for sure that they have any that will fit.
>_________________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
> >
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The headers on my 429 are in multiple pieces (Hooker), and weren't that
touch to install because of this. They were >$300 if I remember right, but
....


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