perf-list-digest Wednesday, March 24 1999 Volume 02 : Number 065



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - Important head question!!!!
Re: FTE Perf - new at this
Re: FTE Perf - Important head question!!!!
Re: FTE Perf - new at this
FTE Perf - new triton V-10
FTE Perf - 1999 F-150
FTE Perf - 460 headers
FTE Perf - High Octane/Nock Sensor
Re: FTE Perf - 460 headers
Re: FTE Perf - High Octane/Nock Sensor
Re: FTE Perf - High Octane/Nock Sensor
Re: FTE Perf - 460 headers
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Spamming the lists
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Updated charter and FAQ

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 08:38:51 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Important head question!!!!

>by the heat riser passage or on the extreme ends by the water passages. I do
>believe it is on the end by the water passage, it has been a while since I
>dealt with these older type heads.

Yes, there is an extra bolt on the front immediately behind the water
jacket if I rem-right, but you are correct they are around the water
passages, and there are 2 extras.


I dont believe this should cause any
>concern as far as bolting on the '4V heads and slapping on a good performer
>or stealth intake, whichever your choice may be. It should hold water fine
>even with the 1 less bolt, provided you follow the intake mfgrs.reccomended
>torque sequence/spec. and use Felpro gaskets.

There have been rumors that if you ask you might be able to get these
intakes with the second hole, just specify that it is for a 69 head and
they might be able to help you out ...



> As far as bolting it all togather accessory wise, I do not forsee any
>problems there either as the casting bosses should be the same as the late
>model ones.


Hmmm...I was thinkin there was a change in deck height or something along
the way ... like 75 or so ... Also heard rumors that the 2V and 4V heads
actually have the same valves and such in them, anyone know anything about
this ?

Always lookin for more info on the 351W ... we've got one Mom bought new in
69 (69 FB 351 2v) that's never had the valve covers off. A coupe carb
rebuilds, a couple water pumps and alternators, that's it 72,000 miles,
still goin fairly strong, a bit tired, but no signs of letting up! Also
have 2 69 Cougars (1 wrecked when I was 16) and a 74 Gran Torino Elite
(GTE?:) parts car ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:13:33 -0500
From: Bryan G Sheffler
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - new at this

Stroh,
Any thing can be done to an FE engine that you want. It really
boils down to, like a Chevy, How much do you want to spend? Ford in the
60's used the FE as their platform to dominate the auto racing world. So
there is still plenty of factory stuff available to get you to the
grocery store faster than any body else!!!! There are also aftermarket
companies that have further refined offerings for the FE like Edelbrock
and Dove Mfg. This includes intake manifolds, cylinder heads, rocker arm
assemblies, etc...The best book I have found that will tell you every
thing that you ever wanted to know about the FE but didn't know what to
ask is the book by HPBooks. It is book number 708 entitle "How To
Rebuild Big Block Ford Engines" by Steve Christ. It contains a brief
history of the FE engine, Hi Perf part numbers, description of the
various type of cylinder heads that Ford used, by the way Ford had five
(5) different styles of Hi Perf heads!!!!!!! Get the book, it will
answer all of your questions, even ones that you don't know you have
yet!!!
As a side note, has any body else noticed some similarities between
the FE and Chevy's new LS1 Corvette engine? Cross bolted main bearing
caps, deep skirt block design, evenly spaced, tall/narrow intake ports?
Looks like a Bow-Tie version of an FE to me!!!!!!

Bryan

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 13:00:16 -0500
From: Bryan G Sheffler
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Important head question!!!!

Derrick,
The 69/70 heads are the best factory heads besides the original
GT-40 heads from the 60's. In 1977 Ford started using the smaller port
302 heads and drilling them for the 1/2 inch head bolts. The chamber
size for the '69 is 56-60 cc and the 70 is 59-62 cc. So you will want to
find out what the chamber size of the stock heads are to see what impact
they will have on compression. One thing that you should consider also
is the thermactor plumping. I have a set '70 heads and there is no
provision for the tube that runs to both heads to provide the air
injection into the exhaust ports. I don't know if Ford made these heads
with and with out this provision? Also the earlier heads use L-shaped
water passages on the intake manifold surfaces and an extra manifold bolt
is located next to each water passage. I'm not sure, but I believe there
is a difference in the valve cover bolts (no big deal), more or less I
don't remember. A cheaper alternative may be a set of pre 77 351 W
heads. Although the 71-76 heads are not as good as the 69/70 heads,
their ports are still better (1/8 inch wider ports) than the 77 and later
ones. Something else that you might want to consider is that the
Explorer 5.0 heads are the Factory's latest refinement of the GT-40
(except for GT-40 Turbo swirl). There is a Mustang place that has these
sets ready to bolt on for about $800, sorry I don't remember the name of
the place. These would be an exact bolt on for you. Although if you
could find a set of the 69/70 heads ready to bolt on for about $300, then
you would be money ahead!!!! There have been a few sets up for auction
on eBay.com. No one has met the reserve selling price yet and they are
bare. In the Cleveland area, I have seen a few sets for sale in the
local newspapers from time to time. So they are available. Hope some of
this helps and happy hunting!!!

Bryan

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 12:36:03 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - new at this

> As a side note, has any body else noticed some similarities between
>the FE and Chevy's new LS1 Corvette engine? Cross bolted main bearing
>caps, deep skirt block design, evenly spaced, tall/narrow intake ports?
>Looks like a Bow-Tie version of an FE to me!!!!!!
>
The intake will tell the tale won't it ? :)

The exhaust port thing kills me ... supposedly they went to the even
spacing for better heat dissipation and hence better efficiency, but they
didn't go to OHC because they didn't feel it would increase the efficiency
enough! Okay, I know I didn't see the studies, but from my limited
knowledge of thermodynamics and mechanical engineering, I have to wonder
how much heat they really think they are dissipating by moving the exhaust
ports!

Also semi-ironic, the LS1 vette came out in 97 with the "new" F.I. 347 V8
(still 5.7, just not quite 350) ... exactly 40 years after Pontiac
introduced Fuel Injection on their new Bonenville ... engine displacement ?
347ci


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:40:09 EST
From: Metalsped AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - new triton V-10

I was wondering if anyone out there knew what the cubes were for the new
Triton V-10? Thanks in advance

Rich May
1999 F250 Super Duty
1989 Centurion C350
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 17:02:07 -0500
From: Eric
Subject: FTE Perf - 1999 F-150

Hi all,

New to Ford trucks. Unfortunately I have driven Chevy's most of my life
(work vehicles) but now I went out and bought me a new F-150 XL with the
4.2L V-6. Oh, it's the OD auto tranny.

I am happy with the power and torque out of the box. I am not really in to
towing yet but may be in the near future.

What I want to know from the guru's out there is what can do to this motor
to give it a little more than it has? I'm talking mostly about minor
tweaks and stuff to add a little more. Once my warranty is up I will
likely do some major engine mods, but I've got to survive the next 36,000
miles with what I have. Any ideas? I've already ordered a K&N air filter.

Also, can anyone recommend a good bed liner. I had a Duraliner on the last
GMC truck and I liked it, but I'm wondering if there is better.

One other thing....this morning (my first REAL day with the truck) I hit a
small patch of ice and the truck went ape sh t on me. I was wagging the
old tail like nothing I can remember ever doing before. Luckily I caught
it before whacking a large oak tree. What I'm wondering is can I do
anything to the rear suspension to make it a little more stabile? I don't
have the rear sway bar, but will adding it make a real difference? Short
of putting a couple of hundred pounds in the bed I'm hoping to keep it a
little better planted.

TIA


Eric
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:48:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: FTE Perf - 460 headers

I am having a pretty hard time finding some good 460 bbl headers for my 79
1/2 ton 4X4. Anyone know where I can get some inexpensive, quality
headers?

-Justin Farcas


1979 Ford F150 4X4 460 "Big Daddy Torque" --
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 20:15:23 -0500
From: J Cope
Subject: FTE Perf - High Octane/Nock Sensor

I drive an 88 BII, and correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure it's got
a nock sensor. Now, correct me again, but wouldn't the presence of a nock
sensor let me get better performance out of higer octane gas? I run 89
now, and it's fine, but I'd pay the little extra for a boost in
performance...
Thanks!

JC

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 21:25:10 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 460 headers

At 06:48 PM 3/23/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I am having a pretty hard time finding some good 460 bbl headers for my 79
>1/2 ton 4X4. Anyone know where I can get some inexpensive, quality
>headers?
>
>-Justin Farcas
>
>
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Jeg's and Summit both had header for my 78... They weren't listed in the
catalog, but they had them when I called. I think Jeg's had Hooker's and
Summit had Hedman headers. I already have header on my truck but they are
rusty and I was gonna replace em if they were cheap, but no such luck. I
think the Hookers were $349, and the Hedman's were $389. The ones on my
truck now are Hooker's and they are made in about 3 or 4 pieces. That may
explain why they are so expensive. Oh yeah, those AREN'T stainless either....

The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 18:38:41 -0800 (PST)
From: canzus seanet.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - High Octane/Nock Sensor

At 08:15 PM 23:3:99 -0500, you wrote:
>I drive an 88 BII, and correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure it's got
>a nock sensor. Now, correct me again, but wouldn't the presence of a nock
>sensor let me get better performance out of higer octane gas? I run 89
>now, and it's fine, but I'd pay the little extra for a boost in
>performance...
>Thanks!
>

No, the knock sensor won't allow you better performance from
higher octane fuel. The simple explination is; higher octane fuel
is less likely to detonate in a higher combustion engine than low
octane fuel. If you don't have a 9.5:1 compression engine, you
don't need to run 92 octane fuel. In other words, if it's running
fine on 89, why waste the money? You won't be gaining anything
in your 2.8L.

Steve & the Rockette

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 22:24:01 -0500
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - High Octane/Nock Sensor

At 06:38 PM 3/23/99 -0800, canzus seanet.com wrote:

> No, the knock sensor won't allow you better performance from
>higher octane fuel. The simple explination is; higher octane fuel
>is less likely to detonate in a higher combustion engine than low
>octane fuel. If you don't have a 9.5:1 compression engine, you
>don't need to run 92 octane fuel. In other words, if it's running
>fine on 89, why waste the money? You won't be gaining anything
>in your 2.8L.
>
> Steve & the Rockette

The engine computer CAN advance the spark slightly more with high octane
fuel and the knock sensor. However, this apparently doesn't do anything at
wide open throttle. See http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.shotimes.com/SHO3gas.html for an
explanation of this for a different Ford/Yamaha engine.


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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:04:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 460 headers

Ok, thanks man. I'll have to braek out the ole Summit catalog.
>
> At 06:48 PM 3/23/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >I am having a pretty hard time finding some good 460 bbl headers for my 79
> >1/2 ton 4X4. Anyone know where I can get some inexpensive, quality
> >headers?
> >
> >-Justin Farcas
> >
> >
> >1979 Ford F150 4X4 460 "Big Daddy Torque" --
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> >
> Jeg's and Summit both had header for my 78... They weren't listed in the
> catalog, but they had them when I called. I think Jeg's had Hooker's and
> Summit had Hedman headers. I already have header on my truck but they are
> rusty and I was gonna replace em if they were cheap, but no such luck. I
> think the Hookers were $349, and the Hedman's were $389. The ones on my
> truck now are Hooker's and they are made in about 3 or 4 pieces. That may
> explain why they are so expensive. Oh yeah, those AREN'T stainless either....
>
> The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
> not...
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:04:49 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Spamming the lists

Just wanted everyone to know that before they buy anything
from Superior Carburators that this company thinks its ok
to spam our mailing lists. As usual, our list filters
caught the spam. I've cc'd the spammer if anyone else
wants to discuss this with the spammer.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 00:51:15 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Updated charter and FAQ

Hi gang,

The FAQ and charter have been updated to duplicate information
found elsewhere on the site (i.e., the link at the bottom of
the charter). This update was done in order to clarify the
position of Ford Truck Enthusiasts concerning non-Ford power
plants in Ford trucks.

During the Summer/Fall of 1998, several people on the "core"
list made a decision concerning a club charter which would
exclude Ford family trucks which were powered by non-Ford
family engines (engines not made by Ford but installed by
Ford are acceptable, see the charter for details). Ford Truck
Enthusiasts, although a separate entity from the club (yet
to be incorporated as a non-profit), keeps itself "in sync"
with this tenant of the club.

For those that don't know, the core list is a group of
volunteers who act as advisors to myself/FTE and it also
facilitates communication for the formation of a national Ford
truck club. The core is open to anyone willing to volunteer
their time to discuss the direction of FTE - its not there
to air your dirty laundry but complaints are acceptable.

Ken Payne
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