perf-list-digest Thursday, March 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 057



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In this issue:

RE: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.
Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.
Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.
FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems
Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.
FTE Perf - Re: 410 stuff (even longer) PLD V2 #55
Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems
Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems
Re: FTE Perf - Throttle Position Sensor on 7.3L IDI Diesel
Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems
Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.
FTE Perf - Cam specs
RE: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.
RE: FTE Perf - Cam specs
RE: FTE Perf - Cam specs
RE: FTE Perf - Cam specs
Re: FTE Perf - Cam specs
FTE Perf - Re: new truck
Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck
Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck
FTE Perf - Cam information.
Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck
Re: FTE Perf - Cam information.
FTE Perf - ADMIN: New Press Release Section on web site
Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck
FTE Perf - Re F-100's!
Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems
FTE Perf - reply:Lowering a F-100
Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck
FTE Perf - Shortie's for FE's
Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:44:23 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.

Here's some good advice. Call every cam company you can find, and ask them
for their recommendations. write them down and compare. some will be
outside the norm, and most will be similiar.

use this info to come up with a good idea of what they think. then, it is
my experience that you should chose one size bigger than their
recommendations (as long as it fits without interference, etc.), and make
sure that the other parts like springs are appropriate for that cam.

also, with any suggestions/experience from the other M-block people on this
list you will be able to make a good choice.

I highly recommend ultradyne cams. They are the best company i ever did
business with. even helping me with a used cam i got knowing they were not
making a sale off the time they spent with me.

also, stay away from non-name brand cams. they are many times copies of
copies of copies....bad harmonics destroy parts, and don't make power. the
bigger companies are better as far as quality, even though the blanks all
come from the same place usually.

sleddog

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From: Steve Tymchyshyn[SMTP:Steve.Tymchyshyn gov.ab.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 1:21 PM
To: 'perg-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.

I am fairly certain that I am going to go with the Edelbrock performer
manifold, but then again I am wobbling on the cam, so I don't want to make
this decision before I decide on the cam.

It's my opinion that you have to start with the "guts" first, to get the
power I want (~350hp, with 380-400lbs of torque at 4500rpm). She'll
probably red-line at 5000rpm. I've heard that x-treme energy makes KILLER
cam.



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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:28:29 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.

Thanks for your message at 11:21 AM 3/9/99 -0700, Steve Tymchyshyn. Your
message was:
>Before, I joined this list I thought I had a handle on things, but all you M
>block bashers have distracted me, so again if you have nothing nice to say
>about the M blocks............


(The silence is deafening!)









Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:51:35 EST
From: MongoCaver AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.

I built a couple of 400's back a few years back. They used to scream, but
were easily streetable. I would back out of them at 6000 rpm.
I put a rod thru the block on both of them at low rpm under heavy load. I
think that may be their weakness. Here is what I used:
Performer manifold
Holley 600
Matched, ported and polished heads
Bead blasted and smoothed rods
Opened block oil drains to get it back to the pan quicker
Competition valve angles (all valve jobs have 3 angles, it depends on the
angle whether it is for competition or not)
Pistons out of a early model 400 (71?) that had slightly increased dome height
Used different length pushrods to adjust hydraulic lifter clearance
Chrome moly rings
Clevite 77 bearings
Competition cam (sorry don't remember the lifts, but it wasn't super radical)
Never bothered with headers, just opened up the manifolds where necessary,
( I don't believe in headers, except for over 5000 rpm.)
Glass Packs, cause turbo mufflers are too light walled for longivity.
Electric fuel pump with all 3/8" lines for flow.

It all worked for me, till I got tired of adjusting carbs everyday. Now I
just run stock, sometimes detroit knew what they were doing.
James
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 16:17:56 PST
From: "Jeremy Taylor"
Subject: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems

I just read an article in the new "Hot Rod" magazine about a Pinto
turning 10's using a 2.3L Turbo out of the early 80's mustangs.
Probably be more than you're bargaining for but it did list some speed
secrets for your 2.3 four banger.

On a different note, I've got a 460 in my 88 F-250 4x4. It's got one
cylinder with a broken ring and 150,000 miles on the engine. I was told
i could do the work to hone the cylinder and replace the piston/ring set
in the truck (because all those EFI, air conditioning wires and hoses
scare me away from pulling the motor). any ideas here guys? how much
would it cost to get it completely overhauled if i did get it out of the
truck? all opinions count here too!

Thanks
Jeremy
88 F-250 Lariat, 460, C-6, 4.10's, argh, argh, argh!

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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:44:24 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.

Funny guy! Don't give up your day job...

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From: Dennis Pearson
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Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.

>
>
>(The silence is deafening!)



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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:17:05 GMT
From: cdailey newsguy.com (Chad Dailey)
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: 410 stuff (even longer) PLD V2 #55

Ted, my comments below. Chad

On Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:56:59 -0500 (EST), you wrote:

>Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:18:12 -0500
>From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman"
>Subject: FTE Perf - 410 stuff (kinda long)
>
>Well Gang,
>
>I just dropped my crank, rods, pistons, rings, flexplate, balancer snout=
and
>all mounting hardware off at the machine shop today. I'm kind of =
psyched
>about getting that job done. The crank is a 428, with 428 PI rods and =
410
>pistons from Federal Mogul. I fitted these into my new 30 over FE block
>last night just to check the piston to head relationship. The piston at =
TDC
>is almost flush with the block. I was very happy to see this. I can =
live
>with this combination.
>
>While at the machine shop we discussed some options with this crank that=
I
>didn't know was an option. First thing is the Flexplate is weird. Not =
one
>I've seen before. It has no seperate ring gear. the plate bolts on to =
the
>end of the crank with a metal "web" (for lack of a better term) and the
>plate is only about 3" high. I assume this was made for a performance
>engine to save weight. The balancer that came with this crank was very
>small and didn't match up with my pulley's for my accessories. The guy =
at
>the machine shop said that the 410 and 428 were externally balanced =
(which I
>knew), but recommended that we make it internally balanced (which I did =
not
>know) and then I could use a standard 390 flexplate and use my old 360
>balancer and pulleys (which are in excellent shape) with out worrying =
about
>any external counter weights. To have this done will cost me an extra =
$50.
>Sounds like a good thing to me, unless some one can tell me why it =
wouldn't
>be a good idea to do this. All other FE's are internally balanced as =
far as
>I know.

I agree, the flexplate sounds a bit strange. What is the diameter?
If it really was for a high performance application, make sure it
hasn't been abused too badly, check it for cracks and such.

As far as the crank is concerned, listen to your machinist. He is
speaking the truth. Spend the $50 bucks, don't even think twice,
that's a very reasonable price for the deal. Internally balancing the
crank is good for a smooth running engine. Internal balancing reduces
twisting of the crank during firing pulses by moving inertia to the
center of the crank, instead of the ends. Makes it easier to find
parts, too.

>I have not selected a cam yet and am not sure which one I want. I want =
good
>low end torque with the ability to pass people as needed on two lane =
roads.
>If you guys have any info I'd like to hear it. I keep hearing about a =
good
>RV grind. What is an RV grind as far a lift, duration and overlap go. =
I
>have an '63 galaxie 4V intake that will be going on this motor topped by=
a
>750cfm Edelbroke and will be using 390GT heads.

Sounds like you have a very good combo there. You can probably stand
a pretty healthy camshaft, the long stroke of your engine will be
happier for it. A good 428 cam would probably suit your needs, maybe
even go hotter. This combo will probably let you err on the high side
of duration and lift without hurting your torque a lot. You could
probably go to the limit of the stock valvetrain and still be happy.

RV is a generic term for Recreational Vehicle camshaft. Specs vary
widely, depending on the manufacturer, but usually ground for low RPM
torque. Your limiting factor will probably be your torque converter,
as you have enough engine (displacement, cylinder heads) to withstand
plenty of cam.

Personally, I'd call a few cam manufacturers, tell them what you have,
what you want to do with it, and ask for a recommendation. They are
usually more than happy to give you specs as well. If they aren't,
call Summit, they are usually pretty good too.

>>Let me know what you think!!

You have a great start for a winning combination, you just need the
finishing touches. Keep us informed, some of us only get to live
vicariously through other's experiences.

>Thanks for reading this and sorry Ken for taking up so much space. =
Right
>now I need the knowledge of this list to help me finish this guy.
>
>- -Ted

I think Ken will excuse you, it's a good post. ;-)

P.S.: Another fellow on the 61-79 list, Marko Maryniak, did a 410
build. He might be a good source of advice, but I'm not sure if he
still subscribes. Maybe Ken still has his email address.
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:24:01 -0800
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems

Don't get scared. You're gonna have to pull a bunch of parts just to get
to the cylinder from top and bottom. And you still don't know if honing
will bring the cylinder within specs. If you have to pull it, all that's
going to be left is wiring, vacuum lines, linkages, one exhaust manifold
and related exhaust pars mounts and trans bolts. After you R/R one cast
iron 460 cylinder head from an engine still in a truck, you can do
anything.

If you haven't done a job of this scope before (head or engine removal),
I'd suggest including the following:

Mark every wire (I use 2" masking tape with a 2" 'tab' to write on with
a beer proof marker) and where it goes. Do the terminals and
connections. A numbering system is easy - 1,1 2,2 3 etc. and where
they go written down on a pad.

Zip-lock plastic baggies for each sequence of bolts (especially if it's
a single bolt, they all look pretty much the same in a can). You can
write where they belong on the baggie.

George Miller


Jeremy Taylor wrote:
>
> I just read an article in the new "Hot Rod" magazine about a Pinto
> turning 10's using a 2.3L Turbo out of the early 80's mustangs.
> Probably be more than you're bargaining for but it did list some speed
> secrets for your 2.3 four banger.
>
> On a different note, I've got a 460 in my 88 F-250 4x4. It's got one
> cylinder with a broken ring and 150,000 miles on the engine. I was told
> i could do the work to hone the cylinder and replace the piston/ring set
> in the truck (because all those EFI, air conditioning wires and hoses
> scare me away from pulling the motor). any ideas here guys? how much
> would it cost to get it completely overhauled if i did get it out of the
> truck? all opinions count here too!
>
> Thanks
> Jeremy
> 88 F-250 Lariat, 460, C-6, 4.10's, argh, argh, argh!
>
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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 19:20:05 -0800
From: JJ Thomas
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems

I would add one more: Wrap each *marked end* of a wire, hose end, etc in a
Zip-lock bag. There are no such things as oil proof/grease proof pens.

Julian - Pulled engine w/o hoist. (involved lots of beer and friends)

At 18:24 03/09/99 -0800, you wrote:

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>Mark every wire (I use 2" masking tape with a 2" 'tab' to write on with
>a beer proof marker) and where it goes. Do the terminals and
>connections. A numbering system is easy - 1,1 2,2 3 etc. and where
>they go written down on a pad.
>
>Zip-lock plastic baggies for each sequence of bolts (especially if it's
>a single bolt, they all look pretty much the same in a can). You can
>write where they belong on the baggie.
>

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Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 22:46:55 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Throttle Position Sensor on 7.3L IDI Diesel

First.. I'm not a diesel guy, but I am a diagnostic type.. I'll ignore
the ignition type and treat as what I'm use to where applicable.


WoodStck45 AOL.COM wrote:
>
> Guys
>
> I thought it might be the fuel filter clogged up, but we just changed it. So
> i popped open the EEC and put the truck on the computer here at home and code
> "23" came up and translates into "Throttle Position Sensor". It kinda makes
> sense i guess.

Being at home I dont recall the exact definition of 23, but makes *much*
sense. If the EEC thinks you're at closed throttle and sees 2000 RPM
it's going to 'freak'.. (or sees WOT and idle with no load..) Replace
the bugger!

> Do you guys know what it looks like, where its at,
> or how much a new one costs?

On a gas engine it's attached to the throttle shaft and usually has a 3
wire connector for under $100 US; I'm assuming it would be similar on
the D's. If you dont get a better answer then e-mail me
manic1 bellsouth.net with a fax number and I'll look up the info at work
and fax it to you.

TT
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:08:49 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems

George Miller wrote:
>
> Don't get scared. You're gonna have to pull a bunch of parts just to get
> to the cylinder from top and bottom.

Quite so.. there arent many wires/hoses going to the block itself; they
all go to the darn manifold that'll have to come off anyway for a
hone/re-ring.

> And you still don't know if honing
> will bring the cylinder within specs. If you have to pull it, all that's
> going to be left is wiring, vacuum lines, linkages, one exhaust manifold
> and related exhaust pars mounts and trans bolts. After you R/R one cast
> iron 460 cylinder head from an engine still in a truck, you can do
> anything.

Sage advice.. I agree; pull it all out and do it right.

>
> If you haven't done a job of this scope before (head or engine removal),
> I'd suggest including the following:
>
> Mark every wire (I use 2" masking tape with a 2" 'tab' to write on with

Important.

> a beer proof marker)

*Very* important. A spilled beer always flows to the worst possible
place. (Substitute coffee or OJ if beer isn't a food group in your
diet.)

> Zip-lock plastic baggies for each sequence of bolts (especially if it's
> a single bolt, they all look pretty much the same in a can). You can
> write where they belong on the baggie.

Ideal.. My father brought me up that way when we restored the Piper.
(BUNCH of baggies!) First week at Tech school I'm taking apart an engine
with bolts laid out just so.. here comes the instructor with coffee cans
sweeping bolts! Q "What are you doing?" A "What are *you* going to do
when somebody else takes it apart and you have to put it together?"
Over the years I've been grateful for that lesson. (Toyota van heater
core with all the dash in the back seat for instance! )


TT/MM
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:23:34 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.

>Glass Packs, cause turbo mufflers are too light walled for longivity.


Hmm that's the first time I've heard that ... I've got the Super Turbos on
my truck and they've been there for ... 6 years now! they're starting to
get a little thin, but they've been great. Also the new Dynomax Super
Turbo's have a lifetime warranty ... or they did a summer or two ago, don't
think that's something they'd change much ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:26:40 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE Perf - Cam specs

Okay guys, managed to actually write down my cam specs before I walked out
the door this morning. Its a 390 that I'm building for my truck, it
doesn't haul much, doesn't tow hardly ever, mostly its just a fun 4x4 for
the winter (odd for a full size long bed I suppose :)

Anyway here's what the cam has to say ... its a Melling ...

Cam Lift .296 .311 (intake/exhaust)
Valve Lift .512 .538
SAE Duration 292/302
0.050 Duration 214/224
Lobe Centers 104/120


Anyone have any ideas how this will work ? It seemed a bit heavy to me,
but the engine builder swears by it, so I figure I'll give it a shot ...


Thanks,
wish
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:11:27 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.

i have found borla is very long lasting.

sleddog

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To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower.

>Glass Packs, cause turbo mufflers are too light walled for longivity.


Hmm that's the first time I've heard that ... I've got the Super Turbos on
my truck and they've been there for ... 6 years now! they're starting to
get a little thin, but they've been great. Also the new Dynomax Super
Turbo's have a lifetime warranty ... or they did a summer or two ago, don't
think that's something they'd change much ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:18:00 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Cam specs

i think the numbers look good for a nice versatile 390. looks comparable to a comp cams 292. a cam i know works in a 390 extremely well.

sleddog

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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 9:26 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com; 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Cam specs

Okay guys, managed to actually write down my cam specs before I walked out
the door this morning. Its a 390 that I'm building for my truck, it
doesn't haul much, doesn't tow hardly ever, mostly its just a fun 4x4 for
the winter (odd for a full size long bed I suppose :)

Anyway here's what the cam has to say ... its a Melling ...

Cam Lift .296 .311 (intake/exhaust)
Valve Lift .512 .538
SAE Duration 292/302
0.050 Duration 214/224
Lobe Centers 104/120


Anyone have any ideas how this will work ? It seemed a bit heavy to me,
but the engine builder swears by it, so I figure I'll give it a shot ...


Thanks,
wish
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:24:17 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Cam specs

At 10:18 AM 3/10/99 , you wrote:
> i think the numbers look good for a nice versatile 390. looks comparable
>to a comp cams 292. a cam i know works in a 390 extremely well.
>
That's great to hear! :) Thanks sleddog, you've got me feelin a lot
better about this ... though I know you tend to love those higher revvs :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:37:47 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Cam specs

the 390 it was in was my cousins. it ran up to 6000 and a bit iirc.

it also pulled down low, but really shined at 3000-5000. easily pulled a
loaded (9500#) trailer up steep grades in 4th gear at any speed. truck had
4.10 and 35" tires IIRC.

sleddog

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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 11:24 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Cam specs

At 10:18 AM 3/10/99 , you wrote:
> i think the numbers look good for a nice versatile 390. looks comparable
>to a comp cams 292. a cam i know works in a 390 extremely well.
>
That's great to hear! :) Thanks sleddog, you've got me feelin a lot
better about this ... though I know you tend to love those higher revvs :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:12:34 -0500
From: Bryan G Sheffler
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Cam specs

Wish,
You should be pleased with the cam. The engine will idle smoothly
and be more lively than the stock cam. You should be able to pull at
least 16" of vacuum at idle. This cam should give you usable power to
about 5500 RPM and really good torque in the RPM range that you do most
of your driving.

Bryan

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:19:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan Reinke
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: new truck

Okay,

I was in a bind and bought a f150 with a 4.6 manual. I have no
knowlege of this engine and bought it on the faith I have in Fords.
Could someone compare it to a I6, 302,351?

Thanks in Advance!




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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:41:44 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck

>I was in a bind and bought a f150 with a 4.6 manual. I have no
>knowlege of this engine and bought it on the faith I have in Fords.
>Could someone compare it to a I6, 302,351?
>
I've never actually driven similarly equipped trucks, but here's my
nickel's worth ...

The I6 has great down low torque, but don't expect it to rev and fly at
highway speeds. The 302 can pretty much match the torque of the 300, but
will have more power at more revs, probably good for light towing and a
good sized truck, but for HD kinda poochy in my opinion. The 351 is better
for towing and better torque, hence a little better power, probably the
best all around engine for the years it was available (doesn't drink like a
460, but doesn't sound as impressive either). The 4.6 is Ford's new
modular motor, it seems a little weak on the torque side (in the 'stangs
haven't pushed the trucks hard enough to know), but for its displacement
(280 cubes), it does really well. It will rev and rev and rev ... 5 grand
is about the limit on the cars, but for the trucks with the taller intakes
I imagine it will go a bit higher. Not that this matters in a truck, but
on the highway you shouldn't be afraid of passing gear at 65 ... I did
drive a manual transmission long bed regular cab when my officemate was
looking for a truck, and I was impressed. In the wet shoulder of the road
I had trouble keeping the tires from spinning on take off, though the empty
gas tank didnt hurt that show any. I wouldn't worry about not being able
to pull enough, but I also wouldn't hesitate (if I had the money) to start
looking for headers and intakes for it, the better it breathes the better
power it makes, but that's true of any stock motor.

With a 5spd, I'd say you're probably doin alright :)

Like I said, just my nickels worth

wish
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:59:59 EST
From: L7514 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck

Ive got a 300 I-6 in my 74 F100. It has a 3 spd on the column & pretty low
gears, yet I can run 65-70mph going down the highway without any problem.
Much over 70 is winding it out pretty good though.
Lance
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:58:22 -0600
From: Ezekial
Subject: FTE Perf - Cam information.

I was wondering if anyone could tell me the specs on the factory cam in
a 93 351. And also if you knew of any good replacment cams to install
that doesn't effect the speed density computer. I plan on putting in a
chip in the future also.

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1993 Ford F-150 4x4 Off-Road, ext.cab short bed, 351(5.8)
3.55 gears, 31x10.5 Daytona Stag LT
1988 Ford F-150 2wd 302(5.0) auto, long bed-reg cab
Has been totaled and I am re-building it
Was my Grandpas truck, so theres sentimental value
It had the meanest factory 302 I have ever seen
1966 Mustang Fastback 289HP heads, 302block, Holley 4bbl,
EB intake, chrome headers-duals w/ super turbos,
4sp toploader, 9' rear 3.73 locked, Crager SS wheels
( F O R S A L E $7500 )
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:14:23 EST
From: L7514 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck

I recently bought a '79 F100 Ranger. It has a 302, auto, with A/C. My
problem is that it hasnt been started in approx. 2 yrs. The reason why is b/c
the guy I got it from had it sitting in his downhill sloped driveway. The
phone rang, he ran in the house to get it & meanwhile his 3 yr. old son hopped
in & pulled it into neutral. It naturally rolled down the driveway, down the
hill & centered on a big tree which didnt give much......but the truck did.
Took out the grill, bumper, radiator core suppt, radiator, fan, a/c clutch,
hood, & bent the frame horns inward. To make a long story not quite so long,
I got it for a deal I couldnt pass up & am putting it back together.
The front end is coming along quite well, but I am having trouble getting
the engine started. It will turn over just fine, but will not pop or fire or
nothin. It's still got a full tank of gas that's been there since the misshap
& it smells pretty nasty. I tried dumping a little fresh gas down the carb &
still nothing. I pulled one of the spark plugs & it looked just fine also.
Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
Lance

74 F100 Custom longbed
79 F100 Ranger shortbed
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:53:18 EST
From: L7514 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Cam information.

Hey Derrick, glad to see that Im not the only one. Ive got a 74 F100 custom.
Nothin fancy about the truck, but it has been in the family since it was
bought off the lot. Grandpa bought it & drove a few years. Dad got it from
Grandpa & was the family car for a few years with a topper on the back.
Brother got it from dad & was the hunting, partyin truck for a few years.
Then I got it back when my brother almost traded it in for a "Blazer", can you
beleive it. Ive been driving it ever since. Because of a few years in Iowa,
the body is almost falling off now because of the rust. But I want to restore
it even though everyone thinks Im crazy. I recently found a rust free, dent
free cab & bed on a 78 F150, canada made truck that I plan to put on my ol
'74.
She's pushin 300,000 miles & if she could talk, would have more stories to
tell than most would want to hear.
Here's to keepin em on the road!!
Lance
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From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: New Press Release Section on web site

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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:41:46 -0600
From: "James Lowry"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck

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Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 6:21 PM
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You might want to check your fuses first, then chase the ignition system,
sounds for sure like a no fire situation, check for fire to the coil and
then the ignition module, etc. Be on the lookout for a broken wire since the
vehicle took a bad lick. It would also be advisable to get rid of that old
gas out of the tank and put fresh stuff in cause after all the body work
I'm sure you dont want to have to worry about stuck intake valves from
trying to run old gas. Good luck,

Ark



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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:00:29 -0600
From: "James Lowry"
Subject: FTE Perf - Re F-100's!

From: L7514 AOL.COM
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Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Cam information.


>Hey , glad to see that Im not the only one either, Ive got a 74 F100 to,
Lance.
When I found mine, it had been towed into a junkyard. I just so happened to
work there at the time and each day I would look at the truck more and more
until one day I recognized it for what it was--- a diamond in the rough. The
bed was piled high with garbage and the thing in general was filthy all
over, but further study revealed a perfectly straight body, no rust,
salvagable carpet, and when cleaned up, the inside of the bed had what
amounted to an almost new look. All the trim was in great condition inside
and out. Someone elses trash became my treasure, after about a year of
embellishment in the form of a 351W/AOD, 4.10L treatment. People remember
it, and I have caused my share of grief toward some of the late model Chevy
boys.
(Thats the most fun part) Old Iron Rules!
Ark




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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:29:26 -0600
From: "Robert F. Davis"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems

At 04:17 PM 03/09/99 PST, you wrote:

>I just read an article in the new "Hot Rod" magazine about a Pinto

>turning 10's using a 2.3L Turbo out of the early 80's mustangs.

>Probably be more than you're bargaining for but it did list some speed

>secrets for your 2.3 four banger.

>

>On a different note, I've got a 460 in my 88 F-250 4x4. It's got one

>cylinder with a broken ring and 150,000 miles on the engine. I was told

>i could do the work to hone the cylinder and replace the piston/ring set

>in the truck (because all those EFI, air conditioning wires and hoses

>scare me away from pulling the motor). any ideas here guys? how much

>would it cost to get it completely overhauled if i did get it out of the

>truck? all opinions count here too!

>

>Thanks

>Jeremy

>88 F-250 Lariat, 460, C-6, 4.10's, argh, argh, argh!

>

Jeremy,

PULL THE ENGINE !!

In the long run it's easier. Far easier than laying under the engine
trying to not scratch the crank

while reinstalling the rod/piston.

Another note (which ought to stir up some controversy/flak);
Don't bother honing the cylinders,

UNLESS you rebore. It's a waste of time. Just wash the
cylinder walls with soapy water and dry.

Then oil lightly. This info is from PC (Perfect Circle).


Good Luck


"Beater" Bob Davis

'56 F-100 Panel w/460/C-6



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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:57:03 EST
From: A62Unibody AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - reply:Lowering a F-100

Rick, I lowered my F-100 by using 3in dropped I beams...i got them form
godfathers for a good price. They came complete with king pins and bushings
and I added the new radius rod bushings and rebuilt the whole frontend.
Instulation was pretty quick and the ride is the same as stock seeing that it
doesnt alter the stock spring height. At the same time I lowered the back of
my truck by moving the spring hangers up the frame about 4 inches.

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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:51:55 EST
From: L7514 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck

Thanks much for the advice, Ark, will get back to ya after I get a chance to
check those things out.
Lance
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Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:27:45 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE Perf - Shortie's for FE's

I know everyone's dyin to hear the results of the guy with the 66 and
shortie headers on an FE. Okay, well a few of us are interested. I talked
to him last night, name was Jason, he lives up in Michigan. Sounded like
the 390 he had in the 66 was not original (duh), but I mean he had a 6
originally and sapped it for a 390. It is a 4x4, he's runnin 40" mudders,
but of course I forgot to ask if he had a lift on it, and whether it was
body or suspension (dumb to miss that in retrospect). He said everything
just went right on, no problems. The only thing he could think of was that
the driver's side was kinda close to the drive shaft, so you had to put a
pretty good bend in the pipe to get it to miss. Of course if he has a lift
it will be worse for those of us with stock, so I may call him back tonight
and see.

While I was starin at the pictures he sent me (he=Stan at FPA), it looks to
me like if the driver's side header had shortened runners before the
collector (straight pieces just sectioned out), that it would be quite a
bit shorter, and maybe fit better in the 4x4's. That's just my thought
though, haven't actually seen one of these headers yet.

So guess I'm lookin for thoughts, you all still interested in makin these
work ? Or should we ask Stan about maybe makin a new driver's side (I
figure one will be cheaper/easier, since the passenger's side shouldn't be....


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