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perf-list-digest Thursday, March 11 1999 Volume 02 : Number 057 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - Performance Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe perf-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: RE: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. FTE Perf - Re: 410 stuff (even longer) PLD V2 #55 Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems Re: FTE Perf - Throttle Position Sensor on 7.3L IDI Diesel Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. FTE Perf - Cam specs RE: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. RE: FTE Perf - Cam specs RE: FTE Perf - Cam specs RE: FTE Perf - Cam specs Re: FTE Perf - Cam specs FTE Perf - Re: new truck Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck FTE Perf - Cam information. Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck Re: FTE Perf - Cam information. FTE Perf - ADMIN: New Press Release Section on web site Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck FTE Perf - Re F-100's! Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems FTE Perf - reply:Lowering a F-100 Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck FTE Perf - Shortie's for FE's Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 14:44:23 -0500 From: Sleddog Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. Here's some good advice. Call every cam company you can find, and ask them for their recommendations. write them down and compare. some will be outside the norm, and most will be similiar. use this info to come up with a good idea of what they think. then, it is my experience that you should chose one size bigger than their recommendations (as long as it fits without interference, etc.), and make sure that the other parts like springs are appropriate for that cam. also, with any suggestions/experience from the other M-block people on this list you will be able to make a good choice. I highly recommend ultradyne cams. They are the best company i ever did business with. even helping me with a used cam i got knowing they were not making a sale off the time they spent with me. also, stay away from non-name brand cams. they are many times copies of copies of copies....bad harmonics destroy parts, and don't make power. the bigger companies are better as far as quality, even though the blanks all come from the same place usually. sleddog - ---------- From: Steve Tymchyshyn[SMTP:Steve.Tymchyshyn gov.ab.ca] Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 1:21 PM To: 'perg-list ford-trucks.com' Subject: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. I am fairly certain that I am going to go with the Edelbrock performer manifold, but then again I am wobbling on the cam, so I don't want to make this decision before I decide on the cam. It's my opinion that you have to start with the "guts" first, to get the power I want (~350hp, with 380-400lbs of torque at 4500rpm). She'll probably red-line at 5000rpm. I've heard that x-treme energy makes KILLER cam. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:28:29 -0800 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. Thanks for your message at 11:21 AM 3/9/99 -0700, Steve Tymchyshyn. Your message was: >Before, I joined this list I thought I had a handle on things, but all you M >block bashers have distracted me, so again if you have nothing nice to say >about the M blocks............ (The silence is deafening!) Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed 1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) I shortened this to only FT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 18:51:35 EST From: MongoCaver AOL.COM Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. I built a couple of 400's back a few years back. They used to scream, but were easily streetable. I would back out of them at 6000 rpm. I put a rod thru the block on both of them at low rpm under heavy load. I think that may be their weakness. Here is what I used: Performer manifold Holley 600 Matched, ported and polished heads Bead blasted and smoothed rods Opened block oil drains to get it back to the pan quicker Competition valve angles (all valve jobs have 3 angles, it depends on the angle whether it is for competition or not) Pistons out of a early model 400 (71?) that had slightly increased dome height Used different length pushrods to adjust hydraulic lifter clearance Chrome moly rings Clevite 77 bearings Competition cam (sorry don't remember the lifts, but it wasn't super radical) Never bothered with headers, just opened up the manifolds where necessary, ( I don't believe in headers, except for over 5000 rpm.) Glass Packs, cause turbo mufflers are too light walled for longivity. Electric fuel pump with all 3/8" lines for flow. It all worked for me, till I got tired of adjusting carbs everyday. Now I just run stock, sometimes detroit knew what they were doing. James == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 16:17:56 PST From: "Jeremy Taylor" Subject: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems I just read an article in the new "Hot Rod" magazine about a Pinto turning 10's using a 2.3L Turbo out of the early 80's mustangs. Probably be more than you're bargaining for but it did list some speed secrets for your 2.3 four banger. On a different note, I've got a 460 in my 88 F-250 4x4. It's got one cylinder with a broken ring and 150,000 miles on the engine. I was told i could do the work to hone the cylinder and replace the piston/ring set in the truck (because all those EFI, air conditioning wires and hoses scare me away from pulling the motor). any ideas here guys? how much would it cost to get it completely overhauled if i did get it out of the truck? all opinions count here too! Thanks Jeremy 88 F-250 Lariat, 460, C-6, 4.10's, argh, argh, argh! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 16:44:24 -0800 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. Funny guy! Don't give up your day job... - -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Pearson To: perf-list ford-trucks.com Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 12:33 PM Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. > > >(The silence is deafening!) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 01:17:05 GMT From: cdailey newsguy.com (Chad Dailey) Subject: FTE Perf - Re: 410 stuff (even longer) PLD V2 #55 Ted, my comments below. Chad On Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:56:59 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 18:18:12 -0500 >From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman" >Subject: FTE Perf - 410 stuff (kinda long) > >Well Gang, > >I just dropped my crank, rods, pistons, rings, flexplate, balancer snout= and >all mounting hardware off at the machine shop today. I'm kind of = psyched >about getting that job done. The crank is a 428, with 428 PI rods and = 410 >pistons from Federal Mogul. I fitted these into my new 30 over FE block >last night just to check the piston to head relationship. The piston at = TDC >is almost flush with the block. I was very happy to see this. I can = live >with this combination. > >While at the machine shop we discussed some options with this crank that= I >didn't know was an option. First thing is the Flexplate is weird. Not = one >I've seen before. It has no seperate ring gear. the plate bolts on to = the >end of the crank with a metal "web" (for lack of a better term) and the >plate is only about 3" high. I assume this was made for a performance >engine to save weight. The balancer that came with this crank was very >small and didn't match up with my pulley's for my accessories. The guy = at >the machine shop said that the 410 and 428 were externally balanced = (which I >knew), but recommended that we make it internally balanced (which I did = not >know) and then I could use a standard 390 flexplate and use my old 360 >balancer and pulleys (which are in excellent shape) with out worrying = about >any external counter weights. To have this done will cost me an extra = $50. >Sounds like a good thing to me, unless some one can tell me why it = wouldn't >be a good idea to do this. All other FE's are internally balanced as = far as >I know. I agree, the flexplate sounds a bit strange. What is the diameter? If it really was for a high performance application, make sure it hasn't been abused too badly, check it for cracks and such. As far as the crank is concerned, listen to your machinist. He is speaking the truth. Spend the $50 bucks, don't even think twice, that's a very reasonable price for the deal. Internally balancing the crank is good for a smooth running engine. Internal balancing reduces twisting of the crank during firing pulses by moving inertia to the center of the crank, instead of the ends. Makes it easier to find parts, too. >I have not selected a cam yet and am not sure which one I want. I want = good >low end torque with the ability to pass people as needed on two lane = roads. >If you guys have any info I'd like to hear it. I keep hearing about a = good >RV grind. What is an RV grind as far a lift, duration and overlap go. = I >have an '63 galaxie 4V intake that will be going on this motor topped by= a >750cfm Edelbroke and will be using 390GT heads. Sounds like you have a very good combo there. You can probably stand a pretty healthy camshaft, the long stroke of your engine will be happier for it. A good 428 cam would probably suit your needs, maybe even go hotter. This combo will probably let you err on the high side of duration and lift without hurting your torque a lot. You could probably go to the limit of the stock valvetrain and still be happy. RV is a generic term for Recreational Vehicle camshaft. Specs vary widely, depending on the manufacturer, but usually ground for low RPM torque. Your limiting factor will probably be your torque converter, as you have enough engine (displacement, cylinder heads) to withstand plenty of cam. Personally, I'd call a few cam manufacturers, tell them what you have, what you want to do with it, and ask for a recommendation. They are usually more than happy to give you specs as well. If they aren't, call Summit, they are usually pretty good too. >>Let me know what you think!! You have a great start for a winning combination, you just need the finishing touches. Keep us informed, some of us only get to live vicariously through other's experiences. >Thanks for reading this and sorry Ken for taking up so much space. = Right >now I need the knowledge of this list to help me finish this guy. > >- -Ted I think Ken will excuse you, it's a good post. ;-) P.S.: Another fellow on the 61-79 list, Marko Maryniak, did a 410 build. He might be a good source of advice, but I'm not sure if he still subscribes. Maybe Ken still has his email address. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 18:24:01 -0800 From: George Miller Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems Don't get scared. You're gonna have to pull a bunch of parts just to get to the cylinder from top and bottom. And you still don't know if honing will bring the cylinder within specs. If you have to pull it, all that's going to be left is wiring, vacuum lines, linkages, one exhaust manifold and related exhaust pars mounts and trans bolts. After you R/R one cast iron 460 cylinder head from an engine still in a truck, you can do anything. If you haven't done a job of this scope before (head or engine removal), I'd suggest including the following: Mark every wire (I use 2" masking tape with a 2" 'tab' to write on with a beer proof marker) and where it goes. Do the terminals and connections. A numbering system is easy - 1,1 2,2 3 etc. and where they go written down on a pad. Zip-lock plastic baggies for each sequence of bolts (especially if it's a single bolt, they all look pretty much the same in a can). You can write where they belong on the baggie. George Miller Jeremy Taylor wrote: > > I just read an article in the new "Hot Rod" magazine about a Pinto > turning 10's using a 2.3L Turbo out of the early 80's mustangs. > Probably be more than you're bargaining for but it did list some speed > secrets for your 2.3 four banger. > > On a different note, I've got a 460 in my 88 F-250 4x4. It's got one > cylinder with a broken ring and 150,000 miles on the engine. I was told > i could do the work to hone the cylinder and replace the piston/ring set > in the truck (because all those EFI, air conditioning wires and hoses > scare me away from pulling the motor). any ideas here guys? how much > would it cost to get it completely overhauled if i did get it out of the > truck? all opinions count here too! > > Thanks > Jeremy > 88 F-250 Lariat, 460, C-6, 4.10's, argh, argh, argh! > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 19:20:05 -0800 From: JJ Thomas Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems I would add one more: Wrap each *marked end* of a wire, hose end, etc in a Zip-lock bag. There are no such things as oil proof/grease proof pens. Julian - Pulled engine w/o hoist. (involved lots of beer and friends) At 18:24 03/09/99 -0800, you wrote: ==========/ selective snips /========== >Mark every wire (I use 2" masking tape with a 2" 'tab' to write on with >a beer proof marker) and where it goes. Do the terminals and >connections. A numbering system is easy - 1,1 2,2 3 etc. and where >they go written down on a pad. > >Zip-lock plastic baggies for each sequence of bolts (especially if it's >a single bolt, they all look pretty much the same in a can). You can >write where they belong on the baggie. > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 22:46:55 -0500 From: Tim Turner Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Throttle Position Sensor on 7.3L IDI Diesel First.. I'm not a diesel guy, but I am a diagnostic type.. I'll ignore the ignition type and treat as what I'm use to where applicable. WoodStck45 AOL.COM wrote: > > Guys > > I thought it might be the fuel filter clogged up, but we just changed it. So > i popped open the EEC and put the truck on the computer here at home and code > "23" came up and translates into "Throttle Position Sensor". It kinda makes > sense i guess. Being at home I dont recall the exact definition of 23, but makes *much* sense. If the EEC thinks you're at closed throttle and sees 2000 RPM it's going to 'freak'.. (or sees WOT and idle with no load..) Replace the bugger! > Do you guys know what it looks like, where its at, > or how much a new one costs? On a gas engine it's attached to the throttle shaft and usually has a 3 wire connector for under $100 US; I'm assuming it would be similar on the D's. If you dont get a better answer then e-mail me manic1 bellsouth.net with a fax number and I'll look up the info at work and fax it to you. TT == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 00:08:49 -0500 From: Tim Turner Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems George Miller wrote: > > Don't get scared. You're gonna have to pull a bunch of parts just to get > to the cylinder from top and bottom. Quite so.. there arent many wires/hoses going to the block itself; they all go to the darn manifold that'll have to come off anyway for a hone/re-ring. > And you still don't know if honing > will bring the cylinder within specs. If you have to pull it, all that's > going to be left is wiring, vacuum lines, linkages, one exhaust manifold > and related exhaust pars mounts and trans bolts. After you R/R one cast > iron 460 cylinder head from an engine still in a truck, you can do > anything. Sage advice.. I agree; pull it all out and do it right. > > If you haven't done a job of this scope before (head or engine removal), > I'd suggest including the following: > > Mark every wire (I use 2" masking tape with a 2" 'tab' to write on with Important. > a beer proof marker) *Very* important. A spilled beer always flows to the worst possible place. (Substitute coffee or OJ if beer isn't a food group in your diet.) > Zip-lock plastic baggies for each sequence of bolts (especially if it's > a single bolt, they all look pretty much the same in a can). You can > write where they belong on the baggie. Ideal.. My father brought me up that way when we restored the Piper. (BUNCH of baggies!) First week at Tech school I'm taking apart an engine with bolts laid out just so.. here comes the instructor with coffee cans sweeping bolts! Q "What are you doing?" A "What are *you* going to do when somebody else takes it apart and you have to put it together?" Over the years I've been grateful for that lesson. (Toyota van heater core with all the dash in the back seat for instance! ) TT/MM == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:23:34 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. >Glass Packs, cause turbo mufflers are too light walled for longivity. Hmm that's the first time I've heard that ... I've got the Super Turbos on my truck and they've been there for ... 6 years now! they're starting to get a little thin, but they've been great. Also the new Dynomax Super Turbo's have a lifetime warranty ... or they did a summer or two ago, don't think that's something they'd change much ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 08:26:40 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: FTE Perf - Cam specs Okay guys, managed to actually write down my cam specs before I walked out the door this morning. Its a 390 that I'm building for my truck, it doesn't haul much, doesn't tow hardly ever, mostly its just a fun 4x4 for the winter (odd for a full size long bed I suppose :) Anyway here's what the cam has to say ... its a Melling ... Cam Lift .296 .311 (intake/exhaust) Valve Lift .512 .538 SAE Duration 292/302 0.050 Duration 214/224 Lobe Centers 104/120 Anyone have any ideas how this will work ? It seemed a bit heavy to me, but the engine builder swears by it, so I figure I'll give it a shot ... Thanks, wish 73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html 96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:11:27 -0500 From: Sleddog Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. i have found borla is very long lasting. sleddog - ---------- From: William S Hart[SMTP:wish iastate.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 9:23 AM To: perf-list ford-trucks.com Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 400M horsepower. >Glass Packs, cause turbo mufflers are too light walled for longivity. Hmm that's the first time I've heard that ... I've got the Super Turbos on my truck and they've been there for ... 6 years now! they're starting to get a little thin, but they've been great. Also the new Dynomax Super Turbo's have a lifetime warranty ... or they did a summer or two ago, don't think that's something they'd change much ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:18:00 -0500 From: Sleddog Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Cam specs i think the numbers look good for a nice versatile 390. looks comparable to a comp cams 292. a cam i know works in a 390 extremely well. sleddog - ---------- From: William S Hart[SMTP:wish iastate.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 9:26 AM To: perf-list ford-trucks.com; 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE Perf - Cam specs Okay guys, managed to actually write down my cam specs before I walked out the door this morning. Its a 390 that I'm building for my truck, it doesn't haul much, doesn't tow hardly ever, mostly its just a fun 4x4 for the winter (odd for a full size long bed I suppose :) Anyway here's what the cam has to say ... its a Melling ... Cam Lift .296 .311 (intake/exhaust) Valve Lift .512 .538 SAE Duration 292/302 0.050 Duration 214/224 Lobe Centers 104/120 Anyone have any ideas how this will work ? It seemed a bit heavy to me, but the engine builder swears by it, so I figure I'll give it a shot ... Thanks, wish 73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html 96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 10:24:17 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Cam specs At 10:18 AM 3/10/99 , you wrote: > i think the numbers look good for a nice versatile 390. looks comparable >to a comp cams 292. a cam i know works in a 390 extremely well. > That's great to hear! :) Thanks sleddog, you've got me feelin a lot better about this ... though I know you tend to love those higher revvs :) Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 11:37:47 -0500 From: Sleddog Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Cam specs the 390 it was in was my cousins. it ran up to 6000 and a bit iirc. it also pulled down low, but really shined at 3000-5000. easily pulled a loaded (9500#) trailer up steep grades in 4th gear at any speed. truck had 4.10 and 35" tires IIRC. sleddog - ---------- From: William S Hart[SMTP:wish iastate.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 11:24 AM To: perf-list ford-trucks.com Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Cam specs At 10:18 AM 3/10/99 , you wrote: > i think the numbers look good for a nice versatile 390. looks comparable >to a comp cams 292. a cam i know works in a 390 extremely well. > That's great to hear! :) Thanks sleddog, you've got me feelin a lot better about this ... though I know you tend to love those higher revvs :) Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:12:34 -0500 From: Bryan G Sheffler Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Cam specs Wish, You should be pleased with the cam. The engine will idle smoothly and be more lively than the stock cam. You should be able to pull at least 16" of vacuum at idle. This cam should give you usable power to about 5500 RPM and really good torque in the RPM range that you do most of your driving. Bryan ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 13:19:49 -0800 (PST) From: Ryan Reinke Subject: FTE Perf - Re: new truck Okay, I was in a bind and bought a f150 with a 4.6 manual. I have no knowlege of this engine and bought it on the faith I have in Fords. Could someone compare it to a I6, 302,351? Thanks in Advance! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 15:41:44 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck >I was in a bind and bought a f150 with a 4.6 manual. I have no >knowlege of this engine and bought it on the faith I have in Fords. >Could someone compare it to a I6, 302,351? > I've never actually driven similarly equipped trucks, but here's my nickel's worth ... The I6 has great down low torque, but don't expect it to rev and fly at highway speeds. The 302 can pretty much match the torque of the 300, but will have more power at more revs, probably good for light towing and a good sized truck, but for HD kinda poochy in my opinion. The 351 is better for towing and better torque, hence a little better power, probably the best all around engine for the years it was available (doesn't drink like a 460, but doesn't sound as impressive either). The 4.6 is Ford's new modular motor, it seems a little weak on the torque side (in the 'stangs haven't pushed the trucks hard enough to know), but for its displacement (280 cubes), it does really well. It will rev and rev and rev ... 5 grand is about the limit on the cars, but for the trucks with the taller intakes I imagine it will go a bit higher. Not that this matters in a truck, but on the highway you shouldn't be afraid of passing gear at 65 ... I did drive a manual transmission long bed regular cab when my officemate was looking for a truck, and I was impressed. In the wet shoulder of the road I had trouble keeping the tires from spinning on take off, though the empty gas tank didnt hurt that show any. I wouldn't worry about not being able to pull enough, but I also wouldn't hesitate (if I had the money) to start looking for headers and intakes for it, the better it breathes the better power it makes, but that's true of any stock motor. With a 5spd, I'd say you're probably doin alright :) Like I said, just my nickels worth wish == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 18:59:59 EST From: L7514 AOL.COM Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck Ive got a 300 I-6 in my 74 F100. It has a 3 spd on the column & pretty low gears, yet I can run 65-70mph going down the highway without any problem. Much over 70 is winding it out pretty good though. Lance == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:58:22 -0600 From: Ezekial Subject: FTE Perf - Cam information. I was wondering if anyone could tell me the specs on the factory cam in a 93 351. And also if you knew of any good replacment cams to install that doesn't effect the speed density computer. I plan on putting in a chip in the future also. - -- 1993 Ford F-150 4x4 Off-Road, ext.cab short bed, 351(5.8) 3.55 gears, 31x10.5 Daytona Stag LT 1988 Ford F-150 2wd 302(5.0) auto, long bed-reg cab Has been totaled and I am re-building it Was my Grandpas truck, so theres sentimental value It had the meanest factory 302 I have ever seen 1966 Mustang Fastback 289HP heads, 302block, Holley 4bbl, EB intake, chrome headers-duals w/ super turbos, 4sp toploader, 9' rear 3.73 locked, Crager SS wheels ( F O R S A L E $7500 ) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.galstar.com/~derrick/index.html http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.galstar.com/~derrick/cars.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:14:23 EST From: L7514 AOL.COM Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck I recently bought a '79 F100 Ranger. It has a 302, auto, with A/C. My problem is that it hasnt been started in approx. 2 yrs. The reason why is b/c the guy I got it from had it sitting in his downhill sloped driveway. The phone rang, he ran in the house to get it & meanwhile his 3 yr. old son hopped in & pulled it into neutral. It naturally rolled down the driveway, down the hill & centered on a big tree which didnt give much......but the truck did. Took out the grill, bumper, radiator core suppt, radiator, fan, a/c clutch, hood, & bent the frame horns inward. To make a long story not quite so long, I got it for a deal I couldnt pass up & am putting it back together. The front end is coming along quite well, but I am having trouble getting the engine started. It will turn over just fine, but will not pop or fire or nothin. It's still got a full tank of gas that's been there since the misshap & it smells pretty nasty. I tried dumping a little fresh gas down the carb & still nothing. I pulled one of the spark plugs & it looked just fine also. Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Lance 74 F100 Custom longbed 79 F100 Ranger shortbed == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 19:53:18 EST From: L7514 AOL.COM Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Cam information. Hey Derrick, glad to see that Im not the only one. Ive got a 74 F100 custom. Nothin fancy about the truck, but it has been in the family since it was bought off the lot. Grandpa bought it & drove a few years. Dad got it from Grandpa & was the family car for a few years with a topper on the back. Brother got it from dad & was the hunting, partyin truck for a few years. Then I got it back when my brother almost traded it in for a "Blazer", can you beleive it. Ive been driving it ever since. Because of a few years in Iowa, the body is almost falling off now because of the rust. But I want to restore it even though everyone thinks Im crazy. I recently found a rust free, dent free cab & bed on a 78 F150, canada made truck that I plan to put on my ol '74. She's pushin 300,000 miles & if she could talk, would have more stories to tell than most would want to hear. Here's to keepin em on the road!! Lance == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:20:02 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: New Press Release Section on web site Ford Truck Enthusiasts is pleased to announce yet another free service to its members and visitors on the web site (http://www.ford-trucks.com/). We now have access to Ford Motor Company's media center. Check out the site often for the latest Ford truck news and press releases! Today's news: "March 10, 1999 - 1999 SVT F-150 Lightning to pace NASCAR Cracker Barrel 500" Later, Ken Payne == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 21:41:46 -0600 From: "James Lowry" Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck - -----Original Message----- From: L7514 AOL.COM To: perf-list ford-trucks.com Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 6:21 PM Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck You might want to check your fuses first, then chase the ignition system, sounds for sure like a no fire situation, check for fire to the coil and then the ignition module, etc. Be on the lookout for a broken wire since the vehicle took a bad lick. It would also be advisable to get rid of that old gas out of the tank and put fresh stuff in cause after all the body work I'm sure you dont want to have to worry about stuck intake valves from trying to run old gas. Good luck, Ark == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:00:29 -0600 From: "James Lowry" Subject: FTE Perf - Re F-100's! From: L7514 AOL.COM To: perf-list ford-trucks.com Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 7:02 PM Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Cam information. >Hey , glad to see that Im not the only one either, Ive got a 74 F100 to, Lance. When I found mine, it had been towed into a junkyard. I just so happened to work there at the time and each day I would look at the truck more and more until one day I recognized it for what it was--- a diamond in the rough. The bed was piled high with garbage and the thing in general was filthy all over, but further study revealed a perfectly straight body, no rust, salvagable carpet, and when cleaned up, the inside of the bed had what amounted to an almost new look. All the trim was in great condition inside and out. Someone elses trash became my treasure, after about a year of embellishment in the form of a 351W/AOD, 4.10L treatment. People remember it, and I have caused my share of grief toward some of the late model Chevy boys. (Thats the most fun part) Old Iron Rules! Ark == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 22:29:26 -0600 From: "Robert F. Davis" Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 2.3L Performance/460 problems At 04:17 PM 03/09/99 PST, you wrote: >I just read an article in the new "Hot Rod" magazine about a Pinto >turning 10's using a 2.3L Turbo out of the early 80's mustangs. >Probably be more than you're bargaining for but it did list some speed >secrets for your 2.3 four banger. > >On a different note, I've got a 460 in my 88 F-250 4x4. It's got one >cylinder with a broken ring and 150,000 miles on the engine. I was told >i could do the work to hone the cylinder and replace the piston/ring set >in the truck (because all those EFI, air conditioning wires and hoses >scare me away from pulling the motor). any ideas here guys? how much >would it cost to get it completely overhauled if i did get it out of the >truck? all opinions count here too! > >Thanks >Jeremy >88 F-250 Lariat, 460, C-6, 4.10's, argh, argh, argh! > Jeremy, PULL THE ENGINE !! In the long run it's easier. Far easier than laying under the engine trying to not scratch the crank while reinstalling the rod/piston. Another note (which ought to stir up some controversy/flak); Don't bother honing the cylinders, UNLESS you rebore. It's a waste of time. Just wash the cylinder walls with soapy water and dry. Then oil lightly. This info is from PC (Perfect Circle). Good Luck "Beater" Bob Davis '56 F-100 Panel w/460/C-6 > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:57:03 EST From: A62Unibody AOL.COM Subject: FTE Perf - reply:Lowering a F-100 Rick, I lowered my F-100 by using 3in dropped I beams...i got them form godfathers for a good price. They came complete with king pins and bushings and I added the new radius rod bushings and rebuilt the whole frontend. Instulation was pretty quick and the ride is the same as stock seeing that it doesnt alter the stock spring height. At the same time I lowered the back of my truck by moving the spring hangers up the frame about 4 inches. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:51:55 EST From: L7514 AOL.COM Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: new truck Thanks much for the advice, Ark, will get back to ya after I get a chance to check those things out. Lance == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 08:27:45 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: FTE Perf - Shortie's for FE's I know everyone's dyin to hear the results of the guy with the 66 and shortie headers on an FE. Okay, well a few of us are interested. I talked to him last night, name was Jason, he lives up in Michigan. Sounded like the 390 he had in the 66 was not original (duh), but I mean he had a 6 originally and sapped it for a 390. It is a 4x4, he's runnin 40" mudders, but of course I forgot to ask if he had a lift on it, and whether it was body or suspension (dumb to miss that in retrospect). He said everything just went right on, no problems. The only thing he could think of was that the driver's side was kinda close to the drive shaft, so you had to put a pretty good bend in the pipe to get it to miss. Of course if he has a lift it will be worse for those of us with stock, so I may call him back tonight and see. While I was starin at the pictures he sent me (he=Stan at FPA), it looks to me like if the driver's side header had shortened runners before the collector (straight pieces just sectioned out), that it would be quite a bit shorter, and maybe fit better in the 4x4's. That's just my thought though, haven't actually seen one of these headers yet. So guess I'm lookin for thoughts, you all still interested in makin these work ? Or should we ask Stan about maybe makin a new driver's side (I figure one will be cheaper/easier, since the passenger's side shouldn't be.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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