perf-list-digest Thursday, March 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 054



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Leak-Down testers again.......
FTE Perf - Straight-six clutch
FTE Perf - Trouble light solution
RE: FTE Perf - Looking for a Holley Mile Dial
RE: FTE Perf - Intake advice
FTE Perf - 390 GT exh.
RE: FTE Perf - Throttle Body
Re: FTE Perf - Extended Warranty Shaft
Re: FTE Perf - Intake advice & more
Re: FTE Perf - Extended Warranty Shaft
Re: FTE Perf - Trouble light solution
Re: FTE Perf - Leak-Down testers again.......
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Supernationals and FTE attendance there.
FTE Perf - Knock Sensor(aka PITA)
FTE Perf - 351m&400m question
FTE Perf - street motors - was RE: - Intake advice & more
FTE Perf - distributors
FTE Perf - Cylinder head
Re: FTE Perf - distributors
Re: FTE Perf - Cylinder head
Re: FTE Perf - Cylinder head

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 20:54:22 -0600
From: Phil DeSanto
Subject: FTE Perf - Leak-Down testers again.......

>>>

>Date: Mon, 1 Mar 99
>From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
>Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Leak down testers
I assume there must be a calibrated flow limiter between the two gauges
or the cylinder gauge would always read 100 psi.
Don
Well kind of....it's a small, air pressure regulator. Mine is an "ARO"
brand but I can't read the model number. Probably about a 125 - 150 psi
max. (I wish I could draw you a picture.) The reg. is what controls the
air pressure that goes to the cyl.

Phil
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:01:40 EST
From: SpyderLv81 AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Straight-six clutch

I want to put a better clutch on my 4.9l. Will a 302 or 351 clutch work on
it? Are they any larger? It's a 84 F-150 with the ford 4-speed. The one
with overdrive and no granny. It also is the year with the hydraulic clutch.


Thanks
spyder2
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 99 18:35:39 PST
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: FTE Perf - Trouble light solution

I though I'd pass this on. I've always had a problem with breaking
bulb filaments in my trouble light due to clumsiness & rough handling.
I saw that Harbor Freight carries a "rough service" bulb and was going to
order some, figuring that anything with a filament would eventually
break but that these might last longer. But, when I was in Orchard
Supply Hardware, I saw a spiral-wound flourescent bulb that's the same
diameter as a regular bulb and a little higher. It just fits my trouble
light with zero room to spare. So far this week I've dropped it several
times and bumped a lot of things that would have cost me several bulbs but
it's still going strong.

It's called a "twister bulb". Lights of America model 2425. Costs about $12.
It's rated at 25 watts but puts out the equivalent of a 100 watt incandescent
(1650 lumens). When first turned on, it's only as bright as a 40 watt bulb,
but after two or three minutes, it's about as bright as a 100 watt bulb.

Another plus is that it barely gets warm, so it won't melt a plastic
trouble light and my metal trouble light will no longer melt the interior
plastic in my truck.

The only downsides I've seen are that it's heavier and it costs about $12.
Its rated lifetime is 10,000 hours. An incandescent under my truck usually
lasts about 5 hours. Plus my bulb supply in the garage is always out, so
I have to run into the house to get a new one. And if my wife is home, I
have to take off my shoes & wash my hands first. All in all, this has made
my life a lot easier.

- -- Don
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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:33:04 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Looking for a Holley Mile Dial

if you find 2 at the right price, i'd like a chance at the second one ;)

sleddog

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From: Chris Samuel[SMTP:fourmuelz email.msn.com]
Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 11:02 PM
To: A Perf-List; A 61-79 FORD TRUCKS
Subject: FTE Perf - Looking for a Holley Mile Dial

I'm passively looking for a "Holley Mile Dial Kit" and or control unit.
Passively looking means that the price has to be right!
Anybody got one sitting around?
Contact me off line if you do.

Thankz all.
Muel





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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:41:23 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Intake advice

My experience so far shows that the motors me and my friends build for
truck pulling have as much, and most likely alot more torque right off
idle. Each of them would make great street engines if it wasn't for the
high maintainance and low MPG.

but, i know what you mean... :)

sleddog

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From: Tim Turner[SMTP:manic1 bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 11:17 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Intake advice

I *LIKE* it :-) You're quite right of course, just amused as I've seen
so many idiots put your kind of stuff on 'street' motors and wonder why
they bog, have no low end etc.

TT





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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:09:18 -0500
From: Bryan G Sheffler
Subject: FTE Perf - 390 GT exh.

To any one that is interested,
On bid at eBay is a set of 390 GT exhaust manifolds. The starting bid is
$100, item number 73401525 and the auction ends 3-9 at 6:27 pm Pacific
time.

Bryan

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:59:53 EST
From: STEPSI3742 AOL.COM
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Throttle Body

Does anyone know if the throttle bodies on '92-'96, I-6 is the same as the
ones on the 302 and 351? I was wondering if they had the same flow and/or same
bolt pattern. I want to upgrade to an after-market Edelbrock/BBK.

Thanks,

TJ
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 22:39:36 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Extended Warranty Shaft

FLR150 AOL.COM wrote:
>
> Gang,
> Well to inform you all, I have officially gotten the shaft from the Fidelity
> Warranty division of Republic Industries (AutoNation, Alamo CarRental,
> National Car Rental).
> I have to this date JUST been able to get the corporate level address to begin
> the paper trail to the top. Basically I was told that the problems with my
> previous tranny were MY fault and that they are replacing the tranny even
> though I violated the terms of the warranty by having the chip, an MSD 6AL
> ignition enhancer, and a K and N. Filtercharger (all parts which by the way
> come with a piece of paperwork that states "This part has been approved
> emissions legal and does not void FACTORY warranty).

But all (supposedly) increase power/torque without emission changes. I
can see the weasely extended warranty co's telling you to 'go fish'.
:-(

> I am not going to take up much more of FTEs bandwidth with this subject, but I
> would like to say this. To all of the great people out there who read and
> participate in these discussion groups PLEASE BE CAREFUL! When you are
> purchasing a vehicle, unless you are buying one that is problematic (I doubt
> that as most of us do research before spending our hard earned bucks) DO NOT
> GET THE EXTENDED WARRANTY! I have calculated the amount of money it has COST
> me to have this worthless policy, which I paid a total of $1200 for, and I
> could have put this money into a low interest bearing savings account and been
> WAY ahead towards the repairs, and had it done right the first time! Just my
> humble opinion, sorry to take up your time.

I usually counsel the same to my friends, but sometimes it's a
blessing. Kim's new (to her) car and the one her parents got last year
have one and I dont have to worry about my spare time being taken up
doing the same thing I do every day at work! :-) For the inept I still
suggest getting one, but for the DIY type tell 'em to go to Hell.

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 17:57:52 -0800
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Intake advice & more

I drive a moderate 460 to and from my office, 52 miles round-trip, and
get 7mpg. It does put respect into those drivers who consider speed up
and cut in front a normal driving pattern. Working with people who
consider high performance as related only to an income statement always
brings looks of what planet am I from when the subject of gas mileage
makes a conversation. It's difficult for me to explain my addiction to
big block throttle response. On the maintenance side, Sleddog's roller
motor will turn some impressive RPMs.

George Miller

Sleddog wrote:
>
> My experience so far shows that the motors me and my friends build for
> truck pulling have as much, and most likely alot more torque right off
> idle. Each of them would make great street engines if it wasn't for the
> high maintainance and low MPG.
>
> but, i know what you mean... :)
>
> sleddog
>
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> From: Tim Turner[SMTP:manic1 bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 1999 11:17 PM
> To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Intake advice
>
> I *LIKE* it :-) You're quite right of course, just amused as I've seen
> so many idiots put your kind of stuff on 'street' motors and wonder why
> they bog, have no low end etc.
>
> TT
>
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 22:59:16 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Extended Warranty Shaft

"Thomas J. Teixeira" wrote:
>
> At 07:48 AM 3/2/99 -0800, JJ Thomas wrote:
> >I too, have been shafted by third party warranties. I will go with the
> >manufactures ($) warranty, or none at all.

>From a tech's standpoint most of the 3rd party ones are real hard to
deal with.. I agree with TJTs statement about OEM or naked.

>
> The only extended warranty I've had was with Ford on an 87 Taurus. It
> worked out OK and I probably got my money's worth out of it (several water
> pumps, a radiator and I think some A/C work but I can't remember).

Without a doubt you got your $'s worth on that one... mid-late 80's
Tauri like frequent repairs..

> When I
> bought a 94 Taurus SHO I decided to take my chances without the warranty
> and (knock on wood) I've done OK so far.

Other than frequent clutches the later Tauri are much better. :-)
Still some known problems but not the 15 screens of TSBs a 87 would
have! :-)

>
> >From reading e-mail on other lists, the big advantage of the factory
> warranty is that there is less finger pointing that goes on, and there seem
> to be fewer complaints or misunderstandings about what is or is not
> covered, but as you can see I voted with my feet (and wallet) to
> 'self-insure' repair work.

Agreed on all counts from *my* perspective, but my labor is free and I
have a tendency to void warranties with aftermarket parts. Look at it
as insurance for MAJOR repairs like a timing belt failure with valve
damage rather than all the minor BS that happens. A new headlight motor
for a 93 Capri lists for $403 (!!!) but an hour worth of work cleaning
all the contacts and brushes myself saved paying the deductible or whole
cost with perfect function afterwards.


TT
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 23:04:14 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Trouble light solution

Donald Paauw wrote:
>
> I though I'd pass this on.


> It's called a "twister bulb". Lights of America model 2425. Costs about $12.

> Another plus is that it barely gets warm, so it won't melt a plastic
> trouble light and my metal trouble light will no longer melt the interior
> plastic in my truck.

Or burn the Snot out of you arm when it rolls onto it! Worth it for
that alone. :-)

TT
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 23:09:07 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Leak-Down testers again.......

Phil DeSanto wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 99
> >From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
> >Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Leak down testers
> I assume there must be a calibrated flow limiter between the two gauges
> or the cylinder gauge would always read 100 psi.
> Don
> Well kind of....it's a small, air pressure regulator. Mine is an "ARO"
> brand but I can't read the model number. Probably about a 125 - 150 psi
> max. (I wish I could draw you a picture.) The reg. is what controls the
> air pressure that goes to the cyl.
>

I dont know if Matco tools is reading this, but oddly enough they have
this tester on sale starting next week! $80 with 2 gauges, set the
regulator to the desired input and read the 2nd gauge for %age leak.

TT
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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 23:30:36 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Supernationals and FTE attendance there.

Ford Truck Enthusiasts has reserved a block of 40 rooms at Days Inn Pigeon
Forge for the F100 Supernationals, May 13 - 16. The rates for the rooms are:
$34.00 + tax Sunday through Thursday
$68.00 + tax Friday through Saturday
This is a group rate, so be sure to mention Ford Truck Enthusiasts when
reserving your room. Rooms are first come, first served, of course, and the
last day to reserve at the group rate is April 15.
To make your reservation, call:
1-800-645-3079
We've also reserved tables for at least 40 people at Alan Jackson's Show
Car Cafe on Saturday at 9:00 AM for breakfast. Total cost for the Breakfast
Buffet is $8.00 per person. This price includes tax and gratuity. To reserve
your spot, email Don Neighbors at:
grover ford-trucks.com
by April 25 so we can give the folks at Alan Jackson's a head count.


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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 07:02:32 EST
From: FLR150 AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Knock Sensor(aka PITA)

Well, to let you all know I got my truck back yesterday afternoon. It feels
much stronger and shifts 200% better. I had to replace the knock sensor before
I could really get in it, to see if a difference was made. I cannot believe
that Ford, after so many years of putting them in the easiest access points,
would BURY the KS behind the intake manifold on the top of the block. I fought
for 3 Hours to get at this thing and get it replaced. I remember my Stang 5.0
had the KS under the manifold on the drives side. Just be warned..if your
knock sensor ever goes....be ready to
A. Pull the upper intake to get to it, or
B. Know someone that is "really skinny" that can get their arms in behind the
upper to get to it. I know that there is NO unearthly way I could've gotten my
forearms even close to fitting around that thing...much less a bicep.

Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material" (Back in Service) =)
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 09:34:54 -0500
From: Harry Lewis
Subject: FTE Perf - 351m&400m question

I have a 1979 F-150 4wd that originally came with a 400m/C6 combo. I took
the engine apart to replace seals, and found that the engine is not
original. The block is a 400 block D4AE-B2A (1975 vintage), the crank and
pistons are from a 351M (I have a 351M, not a 400) and the harmonic balancer
and all external accessories are from the 79 400M. The problem was found
when I tried to start the engine after I reassembled it. I could not get it
started, and had it towed to a mechanic. He got it started and told me that
the marks on the balancer and the timing pointer were wrong (they are
mounted on the right side of the front cover) and that the pointer should be
near the centerline of the engine. Do I have the wrong balancer and
pointer. Do 1979 400Ms and possibly earlier 351Ms have different balancers
and/or pointers. If so, does anyone know part numbers or what years and
models that I can get the correct parts from. Thanks for your help in advance.

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:13:52 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE Perf - street motors - was RE: - Intake advice & more

Many people don't understand how i would like to drive a 1000 hp+ 800 cube
motor (1700 on nitrous at least) everywhere i go. sure, it would be
impractical. but one could be built reliable, and drivable. it would all
come down to money. a poor boy couldn't afford it, but a rich man can. If
i was the rich man, that would be one of my daily drivers (in a '56 ford
pro street truck...) next to a McLaren F1, or farrari f50, or such of
course.

I believe high performance has a place on the street. But, i do hate
filling the gas tank every day. I have commuted similiar to you, but
rather 180 miles round trip, and about 8 to 10 mpg. sometimes over 10 on a
good day. that truck just sucked the money outta my wallet!

sleddog

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From: George Miller[SMTP:mega55 lv.rmci.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 1999 8:57 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Intake advice & more

I drive a moderate 460 to and from my office, 52 miles round-trip, and
get 7mpg. It does put respect into those drivers who consider speed up
and cut in front a normal driving pattern. Working with people who
consider high performance as related only to an income statement always
brings looks of what planet am I from when the subject of gas mileage
makes a conversation. It's difficult for me to explain my addiction to
big block throttle response. On the maintenance side, Sleddog's roller
motor will turn some impressive RPMs.

George Miller



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Date: 04 Mar 99 10:11:35 -0800
From: george cox
Subject: FTE Perf - distributors

Can my 1981 351M distributor be used on a 1971 460 Lincoln. The =
electronic system I purchased to up grade 460 is identical to the 351M. =
Any help would be appreciated.

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 16:40:59 PST
From: "Bryan Smith"
Subject: FTE Perf - Cylinder head

I'm a teenager and an ameteur at working on cars. I'm replacing the head
gasket on a 6 cyl. 300 and was told that if I remove the cylinder head
that it will warp and need to be remachined. Is this true?

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 19:17:21 -0600
From: "Robert F. Davis"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - distributors

At 10:11 AM 03/04/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Can my 1981 351M distributor be used on a 1971 460 Lincoln. The
electronic system I purchased to up grade 460 is identical to the 351M.
Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
I believe the dist are the same. If I remember right, 351c,351M,400,429 &
460 all share the same dist dimensions. I know you can also use either the
large or small dist cap as long as the large one doesn't interfere w/intake
or carbs.

"Beater" Bob Davis
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 19:45:59 -0600
From: "Robert F. Davis"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Cylinder head

At 04:40 PM 03/04/99 PST, you wrote:
>I'm a teenager and an ameteur at working on cars. I'm replacing the head
>gasket on a 6 cyl. 300 and was told that if I remove the cylinder head
>that it will warp and need to be remachined. Is this true?
>
If its gonna warp it's already warped. Don't remove it while the engine is
hot (highly unlikely) and loosen/remove the end bolts first & work toward
the middle, in other words don't start on one end and work towards the
other. I would go thru and loosen all the head bolts by a half a turn or so
before I began removing any bolts. The head gasket will tolerate a small
amount of warpage anyway; the factory manual (1983) I have says it can have
as much as .006" in any 6 in. and as much as .007" overall. I personally
think you can get by with as much as .010"-.012". Take your personal hand
mill (that's a big flat file) and go over both the head & the block looking
for high spots, especially "ant hills" around any bolt hole. If you find
any, file the suckers flat. you won't remove enough metal by hand to do any
harm & will probably do good.
DON'T PUT GASKET SEALER ON THE HEAD GASKET! If you put anything on the
gasket use metallic spray paint esp. silver/aluminum. I feel like I told
you more than you wanted to know, but I hope it helps.

"Beater" Bob Davis
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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 20:53:34 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Cylinder head

At 04:40 PM 3/4/99 PST, you wrote:
>I'm a teenager and an ameteur at working on cars. I'm replacing the head
>gasket on a 6 cyl. 300 and was told that if I remove the cylinder head
>that it will warp and need to be remachined. Is this true?
>
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If you are replacing the head gasket, there is a chance that the motor got....

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