perf-list-digest Thursday, February 25 1999 Volume 02 : Number 049



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - RE: 400 small block
Re: FTE Perf - Continuing tranny woes
FTE Perf - Re: Continuing tranny woes
FTE Perf - Axle upgrades...
FTE Perf - conversion
FTE Perf - engine swap
Re: FTE Perf - Elec. Ignition
RE: FTE Perf - conversion
Re: FTE Perf - Continuing tranny woes
Re: FTE Perf - Elec. Ignition
FTE Perf - Headers for a '65 Thunderbird Convertible
Re: FTE Perf - conversion

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 08:08:56 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: FTE Perf - RE: 400 small block

>>Chris writes: >>
>>They also done one recently with a 351 W using a 400 crank 420hp and
450
>>lb ft torque!
>>This is what intend to build!

>>Can you get me the exact issue and Name of the Mag that contains this
article???

>>I've often contemplated doing this exact same thing for a car project.

>>Azie
>>Ardmore, Al.

Car Craft, August 1996, pg 47 "Build a Tire Smoking Ford Engine!"

It's a PAW kit using a 351W block, 400 crank, Mopar 360 rods (longer
than 351 rods), 427 cubic inches. Car Craft quoted the price at $2995
for the long block (rebuilt stock heads) or $2495 for the short block.
This would surprise some Lightning guys, especially if installed to look
stock...

lordjanusz juno.com
'94 F150 300 ci (427W ? hmmm...)
'73 F100 360 (?) FE

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 09:14:18 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Continuing tranny woes

>In the same vein; if the old tranny grenaded then bypass the radiator
>cooler and use an add-on cooler. In the long run you'll be much better
>off. Some tranny rebuilders will NOT warranty a trans unless the cooler
>is REPLACED during installation.
>
Seems like someone had a problem replacing the radiator cooler with an
auxillary one, don't know if it was just a problem with his application
(aux wasn't big enough or something), but I would be wary of just adding
one and plumbing around the radiator ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 10:01:01 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Continuing tranny woes

On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, JUMPINFORD AOL.COM wrote:
>
> Do you think my Torque Converter is ok? I used the broken input shaft as a
> handle and spun everything, no wobble, no grinding or anything.

Replacing the TC is standard practice on any rebuild. BTW the input
shaft is not broken, on C6s they just come out, that is unless you can
see that it's broken, then I'm all wet.

> Well I had run out of daylight, but my next question is, How do I flush the
> cooling side of the garbage? I used an air compressor and blew out all the
> old fluid, is there anything else I should do?

If you saw no chunks in the cooler lines I would just do the air
compressor trick. However, if they were full of garbage, then I would
flush them with solvent.

Birken
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 14:00:28 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE Perf - Axle upgrades...

I've been contemplating upgrading the front end to disc brakes and a decent
steering system sometime this summer ... while out hunting prices I found
someone who would sell me "complete 79 front end, new rotors and hubs
350.00 plus shipping. P/S box 150.00 plus shipping" or another place would
sell me just the knuckles from a 76-77 for 150 each!

Does either of these seem out of line ? I can get everything except the
knuckles for an as yet undiscussed price from another place, but seems like
the 79 is the way to go so everything will be the same, and I doubt I can
get everything else for $50 ...

Anyway just wondering what thoughts ya'll had ...


Thanks,
wish
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Date: 24 Feb 99 12:30:11 -0800
From: george cox
Subject: FTE Perf - conversion

I am converting an 81 F250 Camper Special (currently a 351M) to a 460. =
The 460 comes from an early 70's Lincoln. Any suggestions or shortcomings?=


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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 16:48:51 EST
From: Metalsped AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - engine swap

A buddy of mine was wondering if he could swap a 5.0 into a 91 FORD EXPLORER
XLT 4X4? The stock engine just doesn't cut it. He has a 4" suspension lift,
Flowmaster exh, 32x11.50x15 Mickey Thompson tires on alum rims, Bushwacker
Extenda flares,and Hella driving lights. If he could get a hi-po 5 liter into
this thing, he would be very happy. Any ideas are welcome.
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 99 14:30:02 PST
From: "Doug Ridder"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Elec. Ignition

You don't have to buy anything special to convert you dist. to the MSD =
box. They include an extra plug with it and you just wire it into the =
dist you have now. It is a simple two wire system and it doesn't use the=
existing ground wire that you have in your dist. That is of course assu=
ming that you are using an electronic ignition dist. The magnetic pickup=
in your electronic ford dist. is the same piece that MSD uses in their =
Billet and pro Billet dist's. An MSD 6 box with a blaster 2 or 3 coil =
should give you a very hot ingition with all of the reliability you can =
get.

P.S. Stear clear of the Unilite dist. if you are concerned about reliabi=
lity I understand that the electronic eye that is in them has a tendancy =
to burn out and it will leave you sitting when it does.

Doug

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> Well I cleaned the garage this weekend (everyone cheers), its almost =
to the
> point that I can put that 390 together in it, need to sweep it out one =
more
> time though.
>
> Anyway the real point is that I looked at the elec. dist. that came wit=
h
> the 390 and low and behold, there was an extra piece of wiring attached=
.
> It was the part of the harness that included the C connector for the =
coil,
> and runs back to a fairly large plug. At any rate I think its the piec=
e I
> thought I was missing...does that make any sense? I've got some printe=
d
> stuff about where to go from here, but I wanted to be sure I have
> everything. Here's what I have and need :
>
> Have: running FE to test on before installing new motor
> Elec. dist. from FE (assumed okay since there's not much to go wrong,
> though that sentence spells certain death I'm sure)
> Wiring harness from dist to coil to box? along with other various thin=
gs
> (assuming oil pressure and temperature plugs)
>
> Need: Coil (cheap one at junk yard for testing work?)
> Ignition box (figure new one for testing so I know its good, then give
> it
> to a friend of mine who has a Jeep with the same box in it, is it worth
> trying with a used box if the box is free ???)
> Time and decent weather to work on the truck. (this is out of my hands=
)
>
> My eventual goal is to move to an MSD 6A ignition box (adapter cable =
can be
> purchased to wire in to factory wiring) with a high powered coil (MSD =
makes
> one that plugs into the factory wiring). The idea is to get a good
> reliable system that I won't have to mess with all the time, and won't =
need
> to carry a spare box, or can easily swap in the factory box (maybe just
> keep it mounted but not plugged in) so that I don't need to worry about
> being stranded somewhere. That's always been my biggest pet peeve with=
the
> elec. ignition, points you can limp home on, once the elec. box goes =
out,
> you're done. These are my goals for the next few months to a year.
>
> If anyone has any suggestions on components and procedures, I'd love =
to
> hear from you guys. Just trying to get all my info together and make
> things as painless as possible.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> wish
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html
> 96 Mustang GT
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>
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 21:27:10 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - conversion

Short comings????

besides mileage????

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

not one i can think of....

suggestions:

save up your gas money. build a strong motor. have fun. oh, and tires,
you'll go thru them faster...

sleddog


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From: george cox[SMTP:gcox nsd.org]
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 3:30 PM
To: perf-list ford trucks
Subject: FTE Perf - conversion

I am converting an 81 F250 Camper Special (currently a 351M) to a 460. The
460 comes from an early 70's Lincoln. Any suggestions or shortcomings?





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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 18:50:28 -0800
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Continuing tranny woes

William S Hart wrote:
>
> >In the same vein; if the old tranny grenaded then bypass the radiator
> >cooler and use an add-on cooler. In the long run you'll be much better
> >off. Some tranny rebuilders will NOT warranty a trans unless the cooler
> >is REPLACED during installation.
> >
> Seems like someone had a problem replacing the radiator cooler with an
> auxillary one, don't know if it was just a problem with his application
> (aux wasn't big enough or something), but I would be wary of just adding
> one and plumbing around the radiator ...
>
> Just my 2cents
>
> wish

I agree. Summer underhood temps, at least here in the desert with
headers,
will exceed the cooling ability of most underhood oil coolers that
bypass the radiator. A high CFM fan on the inline oil cooler(s) will do
the
job if, as wish pointed out, the cooler(s) are the correct application.
180-200
degrees is an acceptable operating range for a C6 and, under normal
conditions,
a good radiator will maintain that temp. Towing packages on some of the
newer
high end yuppie SUVs have thermostat controlled fans on their oil
coolers.
And the heaviest service they're usually subjectrd to is carrying a
briefcase or
health food grub.

George Miller
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:17:46 -0800
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Elec. Ignition

True. But I still run a Mallory 9000 (Unilite)on a 460. About 95,000
miles over 13 years with one module failure early on. Mallory claimed
'engineering changes' in the module about six years ago.

George Miller


> P.S. Stear clear of the Unilite dist. if you are concerned about reliability I understand that the electronic eye that is in them has a tendancy to burn out and it will leave you sitting when it does.
>
> Doug
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 19:44:53 -0000
From: "Don & Lori Felt"
Subject: FTE Perf - Headers for a '65 Thunderbird Convertible

Does anybody out there have a source for headers for my 390-powered 1965
Thunderbird? A set that will bolt up to my original exhaust system would be
ideal.

Thanks,

Don Felt
Long Beach, CA

'56 F100 with a 351 Cleveland / C6
'64 Thunderbird Landau
'65 Thunderbird Convertible

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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 1999 23:51:36 -0600
From: "Robert F. Davis"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - conversion

At 12:30 PM 02/24/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I am converting an 81 F250 Camper Special (currently a 351M) to a 460.
The 460 comes from an early 70's Lincoln. Any suggestions or shortcomings?
>
George,
A few years ago I lent a hand to a friend of mine who had a truck, I
believe it was a 1ton dually. Anyway I know it had a 390 & standard trans
in it. He put a 460 in it's place. He used the truck to pull a 36 ft. goose
neck trailer, RV type, to Colorado in the summer. He was most satisfied
with the swap after his first trip. He said he could pull the trailer up
into places he could never go before AND THE FUEL MILEAGE WENT UP. He said
the fuel mpg went from about 5.5 mpg to 7.5 mpg. (that's almost a 40%
increase)I know those numbers sound low, but remember that's pulling the
trailer.
In my own truck, I have had a 429 and a 460 (not at the same time of
course) and I really couldn't see much difference in mileage one way or the
other with either engine. Mileage seemed to be affected more by speed than
by what I was pulling. I pulled a car trailer from central Texas to
Colorado one summer and averaged 9.9 mpg over the whole trip (that was over
2000 miles with the 460). Without the trailer the truck usually got between
10-11 mpg. I know this ain't great fuel mileage, but I could pass anything,
even on a steep climb in the Rockies.
I'm betting you'll be pattin' yourself on the back after you do this swap.
I know several people who have or have had 351M's in their trucks and NONE
of them come close to this kind of mileage or power.
If you have any questions with the swap, just ask, I'll be glad to help if
I can. ONE other thing, go ahead and go through the trans and put a shift
kit in it,(assuming you have an automatic) adjusted to RV specs. You'll be
doing yourself a favor in the long run.

"Beater" Bob Davis
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