perf-list-digest Sunday, February 21 1999 Volume 02 : Number 045



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RE: 400 history, was: FTE Perf - Re
RE: 400 history, was: FTE Perf - Re
Re: 400 history, was: FTE Perf - Re
RE: 400 history, was: FTE Perf - Re
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Archives are now searchable
FTE Perf - Re: Exhaust porting
FTE Perf - Tragedy Strikes!

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 07:20:23 -0500
From: TracyJones Cinergy.com
Subject: RE: 400 history, was: FTE Perf - Re

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> From: Dave Resch[SMTP:Dave.Resch sybase.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 4:09 PM
> To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: 400 history, was: FTE Perf - Re
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> > The 400 can be considered a "Cleveland"
> >because it shares the same cylinder head design as
> >the 351-C 2 bbl (in fact basically the same head).
>
> Indeed, the 400 is one of the 3 engines in the design family known as the
> "335 series." The other engines in this family are the 351C and 351M.
> The
> 385 series engines (429/460) share several design similarities with the
> 335
> series, particularly the canted valve arrangement.
>
> Dave R (M-block devotee)
>
Dave,

If memory serves, the valves in the big block heads are vertical,
not canted.

Design similarities may include thin wall casting, bellhousing bolt
pattern and distributor(?). Anything else?

Tracy

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:23:25 -0500
From: TracyJones Cinergy.com
Subject: RE: 400 history, was: FTE Perf - Re

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> From: Jones, Tracy
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 1999 7:20 AM
> To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: 400 history, was: FTE Perf - Re
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> From: Dave Resch[SMTP:Dave.Resch sybase.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 4:09 PM
> To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: 400 history, was: FTE Perf - Re
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>
> Indeed, the 400 is one of the 3 engines in the design family known
> as the
> "335 series." The other engines in this family are the 351C and
> 351M. The
> 385 series engines (429/460) share several design similarities with
> the 335
> series, particularly the canted valve arrangement.
>
> Dave R (M-block devotee)
>
> Dave,
>
> If memory serves, the valves in the big block heads are vertical,
> not canted.
>
I stand corrected
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/big.html

> Design similarities may include thin wall casting, bellhousing bolt
> pattern and distributor(?). Anything else?
>
> Tracy
>
>
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:26:24 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: Re: 400 history, was: FTE Perf - Re

In a message dated 2/20/99 4:23:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,
TracyJones Cinergy.com writes:


pattern and distributor(?). Anything else? >>

Check out www.wrljet.com. They explain about the canted valves that were
started with the Boss 302. They also hint at Ford having "borrowed" this idea
from the big block Chevy, like the 396, and 454.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:51:42 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 400 history, was: FTE Perf - Re

The big block (385) valves are canted. as are the BBC, 351C, 400, 351M,
SB2 chevy, nascar SBF heads, and many others. Non canted are the FE
engines, FT, windsor family, SB mopar, SBC, chevy 409, just as examples.
Chevy used to call the canted heads on the BB, porcupine heads.

All valves on most modern engnes have at least one angle from the bore, but
on a canted valve head there are 2 angles, so the valves are not parallel.
usually both angles are dofferent for the in/ex valve.

I think the destributer, timing set, basic head design including the
angles, and oiling system configuration are the same. other parts, like
lifters may also be same parts, but i don't know for sure. basically the
whole engine is almost the same, just smaller than the 460 by a little bit.
all i can say, is i never considered the 335 series a true small block
engine. they are almost as big and heavy as the 460. my personal opinion
is that the FE is a better smallblock. (please, no engine wars again, it
is just an opinion!)

sleddog

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From: TracyJones Cinergy.com[SMTP:TracyJones Cinergy.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 1999 7:20 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: 400 history, was: FTE Perf - Re
> The
> 385 series engines (429/460) share several design similarities with the
> 335
> series, particularly the canted valve arrangement.
>
> Dave R (M-block devotee)
>
Dave,

If memory serves, the valves in the big block heads are vertical,
not canted.

Design similarities may include thin wall casting, bellhousing bolt
pattern and distributor(?). Anything else?

Tracy

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:47:48 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Archives are now searchable

Searchable archives are now on the web site. All 60+
megabytes of archives are searchable. Due to the
nature of searching, the archive results are email
address "harvester" resistant. You can only browse
the archives with search terms and harvesters are not
smart enough to do that.

Enjoy!

KePayne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:20:17 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Exhaust porting

On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, "gpeters3" wrote:
>
> Azie, remember, Smoky says.........you can't add any power by lowering the
> ports......so all mateiral should come off the top of the port, only
> smoothing is allowed on the bottom :-) But you already know that right?

My engine machining teacher also says not to finish ports with any finer
than a 200 grit stone, to aid in fuel dispersion.

> >sure don't want to make my good heads useless by cutting out too much metal and
> >getting into water jacket someplace, so I'll get some experience on the old

Please let us know what you find, Azie, I have a set of D2VEs (hopefully
for a turbo, but no promises) that I am going to start carving on in a
few weeks. Just port and chamber smoothing and exhaust bump removal for
me.

Birken
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 03:01:51 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Tragedy Strikes!

Hello Folks. Well Fist off, I got my valve covers put on, they look great.
And Im not leakin oil anymore. Now the bad news. While out putting Tweety
through his paces, he twitched, then it hit. The tranny took a dump, right
there, The only forward motion I get is in 1st, drive and 2nd both make the
truck act as if the brakes were on, and it shudders REAL bad in Reverse.
(Sound familiar Sleddog?) Well its a good thing the dunes are only 15 min
from home, well at normal speeds anyways, I was stuck comin in at 15, which
made for a long trip. I made it pretty close to home, but poor Tweety said no
more. He gave up just as I pulled into a buddies house. So tomorrow Im towin
it in, and Im gona drop the tranny, see whats inside. I know its bad, cuz how
often do you pull the tranny dipstick and see bits of metel the size of salt
grains stuck to it. So I guess I wnot be sharing anymore offroading stories
anymore, but Im lookin forward to my first tranny rebuild. Any ideas on what
went wrong? Im gonna guess at that sprag idea that was proposed to sleddog.
I'll keep everyone posted.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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