perf-list-digest Friday, February 5 1999 Volume 02 : Number 029



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers
Re: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers
Re: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers
RE: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers
Re: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers
RE: FTE Perf - Strange Story (was: Gearing and Lockers)
Re: FTE Perf - Strange Story (was: Gearing and Lockers)
RE: FTE Perf - Strange Story (was: Gearing and Lockers)
RE: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers
RE: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers
FTE Perf - Re: Edelbrock shocks for 97 up
FTE Perf - Hi-po Ford Truck
FTE Perf - LL products
Re: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 07:17:25 EST
From: FLR150 AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers

OK gang...new dilemma. I am ready to start the next phase of my build up and I
have hit another wall. I am trying to decide what type of rear end gearing to
go with. Presently I have the one-wheel push 8.8" rear with the 3.55 gears. I
am planning on going with the Trac-lok locker and possibly C-Clip eliminators.
I have been told that I should probably just keep my 3.55 gears and just try
it with the locker first. They say that the locker will make such an
improvement that I probably wont need the gears. I am looking to keep my
highway manners as much as possible, but I still want the OOMPH off the line
that only 3.73 or shorter gears can give me.
What do you think? I value all of your opinions and any input would be
appreciated.
Thanks
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside Supercab
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside Page
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:31:36 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers

Well buddy,

If yur problem is wheel spin off the line, then yes a locker will help, but if
yur not spinnin very much, maybe just a chirp, then go with a 3.73. And as
far as the C-Clip eliminators, my understanding is that the only folks who
need those are off roaders who put a LOT of side-strain on an axle, say by
highly off-camber crawling, or mud derbying. Anybody else support this?

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 99 08:11:00 PST
From: "Doug Ridder"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers

if this truck has a new motor in it I would suggest you try it without =
changing the gears first. The noticable difference between 3.55's and =
3.73's is going to be minimal at best. unless you have allready torn thi=
s baby apart I would probably just try like it is first and see how you =
like it, you can always come back latter and put the locker and necessary=
gears in it in the same operation. The new gear set is likely to cost =
$200.00 dollars or more and if you don't need it all the better.

Doug

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> Well buddy,
>
> If yur problem is wheel spin off the line, then yes a locker will help,=
but if
> yur not spinnin very much, maybe just a chirp, then go with a 3.73. =
And as
> far as the C-Clip eliminators, my understanding is that the only folks =
who
> need those are off roaders who put a LOT of side-strain on an axle, say=
by
> highly off-camber crawling, or mud derbying. Anybody else support this=
?
>
> Darrell Duggan
> 74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:04:27 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers

personnally, i don't like the idea of an axle parting from my vehicle no
matter what i am doing. an axle can break on the street too. to me, piece
of mind is worth as much as performance usually. also, i'd rather have an
axle come out at low speed, such as rock crawling, then at freeway speeds.

sleddog

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From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM[SMTP:JUMPINFORD AOL.COM]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 10:31 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers

Well buddy,

If yur problem is wheel spin off the line, then yes a locker will help, but
if
yur not spinnin very much, maybe just a chirp, then go with a 3.73. And as
far as the C-Clip eliminators, my understanding is that the only folks who
need those are off roaders who put a LOT of side-strain on an axle, say by
highly off-camber crawling, or mud derbying. Anybody else support this?

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:30:33 -0600
From: Steve Randa
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers

I've always heard that C-clip eliminators are a no-no for anything other that
straight line duty. The CCE do not like lateral movement that well since they're
attached externally of the axle tube as opposed to the the inner stock location.
I installed CCE on my Mustang for strip and they require you to remove some of
the axle tube (at least Moser's kit). They don't ride on much support and this
configuration's strength relies quite a bit on the hardware to which it's
mounted. But the convenience of not having to open the housing cover to remove
your axles is a nice luxury.

Steve Randa

JUMPINFORD AOL.COM wrote:

> Well buddy,
>
> If yur problem is wheel spin off the line, then yes a locker will help, but if
> yur not spinnin very much, maybe just a chirp, then go with a 3.73. And as
> far as the C-Clip eliminators, my understanding is that the only folks who
> need those are off roaders who put a LOT of side-strain on an axle, say by
> highly off-camber crawling, or mud derbying. Anybody else support this?
>
> Darrell Duggan
> 74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:31:06 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Strange Story (was: Gearing and Lockers)

sleddog wrote:
>
> i'd rather have an axle come out at low speed, such as rock crawling, than
> at freeway speeds.
>
I was going down the highway the other day and saw a Bronco with the
right rear wheel slowly leaving the truck at about 65 MPH. At first I
thought he lost a wheel and the truck was riding on three wheels. Then I
noticed the axle was sliding out with it, bending as it reached about 2-3
feet out of the side of the truck! Evidently the clip that holds the axle
into the differential had came off. I was not sure if I should hit the brake
and save myself or drive around and warn him to slow down. Very quickly he
slowed down and pulled over with the wheel and axle sliding back in place
when he hit the shoulder. I can't help but think how sad it would have been
for him if it came out all the way at that speed.

Scott
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:51:27 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Strange Story (was: Gearing and Lockers)

Yep that's one of the problems with semi-floaters. In the 9 inch there
aren't any clips in the diff. The axle/wheel assembly is held in place by
the interference fit of the wheel bearing. That's one of the reasons why I'm
a big fan of full floaters like the Dana 60.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Giddens, Scott
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 9:37 AM
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Strange Story (was: Gearing and Lockers)


> I was going down the highway the other day and saw a Bronco with the
>right rear wheel slowly leaving the truck at about 65 MPH. At first I
>thought he lost a wheel and the truck was riding on three wheels. Then I
>noticed the axle was sliding out with it, bending as it reached about 2-3
>feet out of the side of the truck! Evidently the clip that holds the axle
>into the differential had came off.

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:36:44 -0700
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Strange Story (was: Gearing and Lockers)

Ok, here is my dumb question. I am replacing the 9inch rear in my bronco
this coming week. Is there such a thing as a full floater dana60 five lug
rear? I remember something awhile back about a semifloater dana60 in five
lug, I think Colorado jeff had one. colorado Rick

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> From: Bill Beyer[SMTP:bbeyer pacifier.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 10:51 AM
> To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Strange Story (was: Gearing and Lockers)
>
> Yep that's one of the problems with semi-floaters. In the 9 inch there
> aren't any clips in the diff. The axle/wheel assembly is held in place by
> the interference fit of the wheel bearing. That's one of the reasons why
> I'm
> a big fan of full floaters like the Dana 60.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Giddens, Scott
> To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 9:37 AM
> Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Strange Story (was: Gearing and Lockers)
>
>
> > I was going down the highway the other day and saw a Bronco with the
> >right rear wheel slowly leaving the truck at about 65 MPH. At first I
> >thought he lost a wheel and the truck was riding on three wheels. Then I
> >noticed the axle was sliding out with it, bending as it reached about 2-3
> >feet out of the side of the truck! Evidently the clip that holds the axle
> >into the differential had came off.
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:41:13 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers

the basic idea of c-clip eliminaters that a broken axle will not part ways
with the car. the axle breaks but stays retained to the housing so that
control of the vehicle is still possible. stock c-clip axles when they
break may fly out of the housing and that can't be good!

sleddog

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From: Steve Randa[SMTP:sranda ch-advertising.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 12:30 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers

I've always heard that C-clip eliminators are a no-no for anything other
that
straight line duty. The CCE do not like lateral movement that well since
they're
attached externally of the axle tube as opposed to the the inner stock
location.
I installed CCE on my Mustang for strip and they require you to remove some
of
the axle tube (at least Moser's kit). They don't ride on much support and
this
configuration's strength relies quite a bit on the hardware to which it's
mounted. But the convenience of not having to open the housing cover to
remove
your axles is a nice luxury.

Steve Randa

JUMPINFORD AOL.COM wrote:

> Well buddy,
>
> If yur problem is wheel spin off the line, then yes a locker will help,
but if
> yur not spinnin very much, maybe just a chirp, then go with a 3.73. And
as
> far as the C-Clip eliminators, my understanding is that the only folks
who
> need those are off roaders who put a LOT of side-strain on an axle, say
by
> highly off-camber crawling, or mud derbying. Anybody else support this?
>
> Darrell Duggan
> 74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:37:14 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers

Using c-clips is a very poor design even though they are an improvement over
the axles held in by just a press fit (BTW which I have only seen in the
cars) C-clips are not designed to take side loads at all, they are just
there to retain the axle in the housing. I have always wondered if the
c-clips would eventually wear thin from rubbing against the non-rotating
housing and wear through or break. Also any wear on the axle bearings
produces more side to side play in the axle shaft and gives the axle more
room to build up enough inertia to pop the c-clip out of the groove.

I have never seen the c-clip eliminator before and would be interested in
knowing more about it (like where to buy it and how much it costs) I assume
it uses a split clamp with screws to hold the two halves around the shaft
with a ridge to sit in the c-clip groove. What a worthwhile and simple (and
inexpensive?) thing to add to your off-road Ford this would be. I would
prefer the axle was re-designed to use pre-loaded tapered roller bearings on
the inside (and out) that would handle bi-directional side loads better and
reduce overall friction, but it would cost too much for Ford to re-design
them.

scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Sleddog [SMTP:kevkem epix.net]
> Sent:Thursday, February 04, 1999 11:41 AM
> To:'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject:RE: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers
>
> the basic idea of c-clip eliminaters that a broken axle will not part ways
>
> with the car. the axle breaks but stays retained to the housing so that
> control of the vehicle is still possible. stock c-clip axles when they
> break may fly out of the housing and that can't be good!
>
> sleddog
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 20:32:31 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Edelbrock shocks for 97 up

I remember a while back somebody posted about Edelbrock shocks for a
new Ford, but I dont recall which list. I just got the '99 catalog and
they do list as new #'s for 2/4WD applications including some
lifted/lowered. If you need more info give me a mail/post. :-)

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC

PS: for the small list; Ranger through '99 but no B-II listing. :-(

TT
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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 02:18:59 GMT
From: cdailey newsguy.com (Chad Dailey)
Subject: FTE Perf - Hi-po Ford Truck

Hi all. Ran across this little ditty on one of the drag racing NG's.
Look near the bottom of the page for the truck, pretty cool.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.horsepowerheaven.com/hhccracing.html

Chad
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 99 18:41:53 PST
From: "Doug Ridder"
Subject: FTE Perf - LL products

Does anyone know the number to LL products?

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:43:52 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Gearing and Lockers

Sleddog wrote:
>
> personnally, i don't like the idea of an axle parting from my vehicle no
> matter what i am doing. an axle can break on the street too. to me, piece
> of mind is worth as much as performance usually. also, i'd rather have an
> axle come out at low speed, such as rock crawling, then at freeway speeds.

Quite so.. many years ago I was delivering pizza in a '70(?) Capri and
it stopped moving as I came up to the apartment; closer inspection....


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