perf-list-digest Thursday, February 4 1999 Volume 02 : Number 028



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - electric fans
FTE Perf - 390 GT exhaust
Re: FTE Perf - 390 GT exhaust
Re: FTE Perf - 390 GT exhaust
Re: FTE Perf - 390 GT exhaust
FTE Perf - 79 F150 460
Re: FTE Perf - 79 F150 460
FTE Perf - Check these boys out
Re: FTE Perf - Check these boys out
FTE Perf - Pistons

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:10:45 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - electric fans

At 12:11 AM 2/3/99 , you wrote:
>Wish,
> When using electric fan(s), you want to cover the entire height of
>the radiator core, meaning from top to bottom.

Why top to bottom ? Since the radiator flows that direction wouldn't it be
more important to cover it side to side so all the tubes get cooled ?

> Airflow is important, so make sure you get the highest cfm rated fan
>you can.

I realize this, just wondering how you know on the used ones you pick up at
a junk yard ?? I guess it makes sense from an IROC or 5.0 since they are
running as much or more horse power ...


Thanks,
wish
73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390
96 Mustang GT

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:51:04 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE Perf - 390 GT exhaust

As most of you know I'm working on a 390 for my truck and have been
inquiring about headers, but since all I can seem to find is long tubes,
I've started looking for hp manifolds. I came across someone on the site
advertising some from a 390 GT ... anyway here's what he had to say about
them :

They will fit 390 GT heads
or Cobra Jet heads, but the top bolt holes on each end don't quite line
up on standard FE heads. I was told that in order to get them to fit in
a truck even with the proper heads, the drivers side manifold has to be
cut off about 2 or 3 inches from the end, rotated and welded back
together for the pipe to clear everything

Anyone able to comment on this ? How true is it ?

Anyone make any suggestions for places to try for shortie headers maybe ?
Or would it be worth my time/money to look into these ?


Thanks,
wish
73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390
96 Mustang GT

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 99 07:25:01 PST
From: "Doug Ridder"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 390 GT exhaust

What's wrong with the long tube header?

>From what I remember you were trying to build bottom end torque. Right?

If so you want the long tube header design as the longer the header tube =
(primary) the more resulting low end torque.

I used the cheap headmans on my 390 pulling motor in a 76' 3/4 ton 4x4. =
Mabey not the best choice but they are properly size for my motor. If =
I were to modify them any for a "more streetable" motor I would lengthen =
the primarys and decrease the tube size. But they will still work quite =
well, I definately would not look for a shorter header.

The only problem is installation which can be a trick but once you figure=
it out it's not a big deal. I had alot of starter problems last year =
and got pretty good at taking that header off.

Doug

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> As most of you know I'm working on a 390 for my truck and have been
> inquiring about headers, but since all I can seem to find is long tubes=
,
> I've started looking for hp manifolds. I came across someone on the =
site
> advertising some from a 390 GT ... anyway here's what he had to say abo=
ut
> them :
>
> They will fit 390 GT heads
> or Cobra Jet heads, but the top bolt holes on each end don't quite line
> up on standard FE heads. I was told that in order to get them to fit =
in
> a truck even with the proper heads, the drivers side manifold has to =
be
> cut off about 2 or 3 inches from the end, rotated and welded back
> together for the pipe to clear everything
>
> Anyone able to comment on this ? How true is it ?
>
> Anyone make any suggestions for places to try for shortie headers maybe=
?
> Or would it be worth my time/money to look into these ?
>
>
> Thanks,
> wish
> 73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390
> 96 Mustang GT
>
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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:07:56 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 390 GT exhaust

>What's wrong with the long tube header?
>
My main problem with the long tubes is that they hang down so far you can
see them from a mile off. I want an exhaust that sits tight against the
bottom of the truck. When I got mine it had the long tubes hanging down
and then the mufflers turned sideways to take the exhaust back up inside
the frame...the ugliest (IMNSHO) exhaust I'd ever seen. Now I've got the
stock manifolds on and though its an interesting routing, the duals look
like they've been there from the beginning.

>From what I remember you were trying to build bottom end torque. Right?
>
yup.

>The only problem is installation which can be a trick but once you figure it
>out it's not a big deal. I had alot of starter problems last year and got
>pretty good at taking that header off.
>
No problems on mine while I had it (1 yr with headers and such), and I
figured out the tricks I think.

My biggest complaints were
a) first set of headers that were on it when I bought it were rusted off ...
b) gaskets, always replacing those stupid things, think with the list's
help I can fix this though.
c) appearance, hung down and looked bad.
d) rust, seems to be an incurable problem around here for the bodies and
everything. If I could find stainless that were guaranteed to tuck up like
a stock system I'd probably consider it...


Thanks,
wish
73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390
96 Mustang GT

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:24:23 -0500
From: Bryan G Sheffler
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 390 GT exhaust

To all on the list,
Ford Powertrain Applications-web site www.fordpowertrain.com -has
tri-y headers available for FE applications. I talked with Stan and he
said that one of the benefits of the tri-y design they build is that the
headers tuck up real nice and you can't see them hanging down under the
vehicle. They have pictures and info on the web site for what they sell.
Check it out, I'm contemplating buying a set for my '63 Marauder.


Bryan

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:12:16 -0800
From: George
Subject: FTE Perf - 79 F150 460

I have to pull the engine to get the pan off to replace my rear main seal;
tell me your secret.

Tranny coolers are normally bent pipe with fins or other heat dissipation
attachments. No moving parts. I've used them hard for 15 years in every
extreme climate and never had a problem. If the fluid in that trans smelled
fried, I'd say it should be rebuilt. I don't tell anyone how to run their
business unless they pay me but there are some people in the world that
might get seriously upset if you don't disclose the oil and trans problems
and how you remedied them.

A '79 F-150 4x4 with rust in the bed, lifed, off-road tires, an engine
conversion that would take some connections to get smogged anyplace that's
required is best looked at as a project or parts truck. $500 for the what
sounds like late 460/C6, $350 transfer case, $300 for the lift/tires, maybe
$350 for the 9" if it's a traction lock and another $500 for the rest if
you can inventory it and wait for demand. Another $500 if you sell it as a
driver with all factors disclosed. I'm not in the market.

George Miller

I found out the the oil was just the rear main leaking, and I fixed that.
I've put on a new 14" Edelbrock air cleaner, so it doesn't run rich
anymore, either. I'm putting on a new tranny coller soon, and draining
teh system. So all should be working fine,

> > what about the oil problems
and the tranny problems?


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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:57:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 79 F150 460

First of all: Rear main seal WAS leaking. I looked underneath the truck,
looked at the drips on the bellhousing, and saw that they were in fact
engine oil. So, I looked at my rear main, and sure enough, it was coming
from there. HOWEVER, I first looked the bolts. This is a new seal, so
there is nothing wrong with it, the botls were extremely loose though. I
tightened them, along with re-tightening all other oil pan bolts. So, in
answer to your question, I never had to take the oil pan off, no secret.
Just needed to tighten the bolts. Sorry.

Second in the list of my wrongdoings, the tranny cooler. About a month
ago, I had taken my truck to a radiator shop for a new radiator, and I had
mentioned my tranny oil burning. While looking ta my truck, he told me
that the coller needed to "be put into series". I looked at it and saw no
problem, so I figure that the cooler is plugged somehow. Also, as far as
major transmission problems, I have taken my truck to a professional
transmission rebuilder outside of town, just to check it out and see if
something was absolutely wrong. I left my truck there overnight, he drove
it and inspected it and also concluded that there was nothing wrong with
it. He commented that it shifted well and smoothly. So, with
replacement with a heay duty tranny cooler, I expect to have a healthy
tranny. Sorry again.

Third, and lastly, I do appreciate the fact that you would go out of your
way to inform people of a potential hazard truck. My truck, however is
not one of these. My truck is not even close to being a "parts truck" or
a "project truck". This truck is my baby. I have worked hard on it, for
many hours, tweaking and playing with it. I know what it's worth. to me,
it's worth more than I'm asking, but I know that is always the case with
vehicles. The only thing that really needs to be done on this truck is as
follows:
Clean up of underbody parts (frame has already been steamed clean and painted)
Dress up of individual enigne parts or drivetrain parts.
Body work in bed, and touch up on rest of body.

Estimated total extra money to be spent here is around 3,000 dollars.

Little bit of arithmetic here shows:5,000
+3,000
-------
8,000 dollars

(Even considering I get the max that I'm asking for it)
For what? For a clean, honest, solid, mostly stocked out full size '79
Seems alright to me, what about you?

-Justin Farcas
PROUD OWNER '79 Ford F150 4x4 460







>
>


I have to pull the engine to get the pan off to replace my rear main seal;
> tell me your secret.
>
> Tranny coolers are normally bent pipe with fins or other heat dissipation
> attachments. No moving parts. I've used them hard for 15 years in every
> extreme climate and never had a problem. If the fluid in that trans smelled
> fried, I'd say it should be rebuilt. I don't tell anyone how to run their
> business unless they pay me but there are some people in the world that
> might get seriously upset if you don't disclose the oil and trans problems
> and how you remedied them.
>
> A '79 F-150 4x4 with rust in the bed, lifed, off-road tires, an engine
> conversion that would take some connections to get smogged anyplace that's
> required is best looked at as a project or parts truck. $500 for the what
> sounds like late 460/C6, $350 transfer case, $300 for the lift/tires, maybe
> $350 for the 9" if it's a traction lock and another $500 for the rest if
> you can inventory it and wait for demand. Another $500 if you sell it as a
> driver with all factors disclosed. I'm not in the market.
>
> George Miller
>
> I found out the the oil was just the rear main leaking, and I fixed that.
> I've put on a new 14" Edelbrock air cleaner, so it doesn't run rich
> anymore, either. I'm putting on a new tranny coller soon, and draining
> teh system. So all should be working fine,
>
> > > what about the oil problems
> and the tranny problems?
>
>
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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:48:45 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE Perf - Check these boys out

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://force-efi.com/machefi.htm

I didn't really look at this site much yet but the picture of the FE
intake with a fuel injection system in it made me drool.
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duckdon pacific.net

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 03:03:10 -0500
From: Bryan G Sheffler
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Check these boys out

Nice, but very expensive. I'll stick with tunning carbs!

Bryan

On Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:48:45 -0800 Don Grossman
writes:
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://force-efi.com/machefi.htm
>
>I didn't really look at this site much yet but the picture of the FE
>intake with a fuel injection system in it made me drool.
>--
>Don Grossman
>duckdon pacific.net
>
>99 Contour SE Sport
>63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 01:46:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Oldtrukman webtv.net (R. Pietsch)
Subject: FTE Perf - Pistons

Hey Ben, I also have a 351C in my '56 and I love it. I installed it
about a year and a half ago after having it completly rebuilt and
balanced. I am running a cam with a 460 lift and it has LLLLots of low
end to mid-range power. I have an extra set of stock pistons for it that
I picked up before I found out that the block had to be bored out to
.020. They are brand new Sterling brand hyperutectic flat tops that will
give you a 9.5 CR. I had them checked out by my machinist before I had
the work done. He said they were a good set, but that my block was worn
to much to use them in. I got the cart before the horse again. Oh well.....

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