perf-list-digest Thursday, January 28 1999 Volume 02 : Number 021



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FTE Perf - Fire extinguisher rant (Was:Re: fire extinguisher mounting was:Political Rant!)
Re: FTE Perf - fire extinguisher mounting was:Political Rant!
RE: FTE Perf - fire extinguishers and "truck stuff"
Re: FTE Perf - fire extinguisher mounting
RE: FTE Perf - fire extinguishers and "truck stuff"
RE: FTE Perf - fire extinguishers and "truck stuff"
RE: FTE Perf - fire extinguishers and "truck stuff"
FTE Perf - Spacers
RE: FTE Perf - Spacers
Re: FTE Perf - fire extinguishers and "truck stuff"
Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....
Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....
Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....t
Re: FTE Perf - How to clean K&N filtercharger
Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....
FTE Perf - pistons
RE: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:35:47 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE Perf - Fire extinguisher rant (Was:Re: fire extinguisher mounting was:Political Rant!)

On Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:08:05 -0700, "Dave Resch"
wrote:
> A couple other notes on fire extinguishers. For in-vehicle use, where the
> most likely fires are either liquid fuel or electrical sources, I prefer
> the "marine" type extinguisher rated for only B (liquid) and C (electrical)
> type fires. I believe that they are more effective for B and C fires (the
> most likely in or around vehicles) than the all purpose ABC types.
> (Besides, if you look at the ABC rating on a dry chemical unit, the A
> rating is only 1, the lowest, so they are only marginally effective for dry
> combustibles anyway.)

I disagree strongly, Dave! Class A ratings are based relative to a
water extinguisher. One A unit equals the effectiveness of 1-1/4
gallons of water (in controlled conditions). Class B ratings are based
on the square footage of a pan of flammable liquid that the operator
(non expert) can extinguish. There is no ratingf for class C, just a
test to see if the media is elecrically conductive. I have here in
front of me a 1-A:10-B:C extinguisher, it is about 3" around and 12"
tall. That's an awfully small package for a whole gallon and a quarter
of water. I also have a 3-A:40-B:C extinguisher that is 16" tall and 4"
around. This little guy will put out a lot of fire in a fast hurry.
The only advantage to a B:C is that it is cheap (uses baking soda as the
chemical). Otherwise, an A:B:C with the same B rating is a better
choice, IMO.

Also, don't forget to turn all your extenguishers over and give them a
good shake every now and then to keep the chemical loose and free from
caking.

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 09:54:17 -0800
From: Chris Bradley
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - fire extinguisher mounting was:Political Rant!

> I used self tapping screws right into the floor on mine.

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> Curiously, how is it mounted? Screwed in to the floor? The seat bottom?
>
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:51:51 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - fire extinguishers and "truck stuff"

I'm looking for a box that will fit in the bed, inside the topper, behind
the wheel wells, but the ones I looked at won't work with the bed liner. I
guess plastics ones would work if they are built well.

Until then, I carry the following where ever they will fit: (some items are
seasonal and I don't always carry them around town)

Inside the engine compartment:
Fan Belt
Tire Chains (4)
Tow Strap (50 ft)
Jumper Cables (10 ft)

Under the rear seat:
Come-A-Long/Portable Winch
Socket Set (Mac)
Crescent Wrench
Screw Driver (2)
Electrical Tape
Wire Cutters/Stripers
Coat Hanger

Under the front seats:
Emergency Blanket (2)
1/2 Liter Sterile Water (2)
MRE (2)

Glove Box:
First Aid Kit (small)
Knife
Flashlight
Lighter

It's funny, until the post about the extinguisher I never thought to carry
one. I have three around the house but never thought to put one in the
truck. :(

Scott

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> a
> single cab pickup! Since I want a canopy later, truck boxes wouldn't
> work,
> but I needed something waterproof and reasonably theft-deterring. My
> tools
> won't fit behind the seats, and speakers will end up there soon anyway.
>
> I settled on a pair of Rubbermaid "Action Packers", which are hard plastic
> boxes with removable lids. They have two padlock rings on the latches, so
> they can be locked up tight. They're pretty waterproof, and hold my
> tools,
> electrical kit, sockets, tiedowns, Haynes manual, and so on. If I need
> the
> whole bed, the boxes fit on the passenger's side of the truck, and still
> leave
> enough room for a person to sit in the middle.
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 11:09:48 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - fire extinguisher mounting

>From: ryana asg.com (Ryan Allen)
>Subject: Re: FTE Perf - fire extinguisher mounting was:Political Rant!
>
>>I have mine mounted on the floor between
>>the driver's seat and the door.
>
>Curiously, how is it mounted? Screwed in to
>the floor? The seat bottom?

Yo Ryan, et al:

I used the plastic mounting bracket supplied with the FE. The bracket is
attached to the floor. I used round head machine screws approx 1/8"
diameter with self-locking nuts on the underside. I drilled two approx
1/8" holes through the floor using the bracket as a guide. In my "Custom"
regular cab w/ vinyl floor mat (no carpet), that part of the cab floor
between the seat and the door is bare, so there was no carpet or floor mat
to deal w/ under the mounting point.

I would recommend machine screws or bolts rather than "self-tapping" sheet
metal screws to attach the bracket. A fastener w/ a nut on the other side
is much more secure, and self-locking nuts are low maintenance. I also
used flat washers on the underside to distribute the load on the sheet
metal a little more. A dab of silicone sealer around the hole from the
bottom (under the washer) will seal out water leakage/dust and prevent
rust.

>From: "Giddens, Scott"
>Subject: RE: FTE Perf - fire extinguisher mounting
>
>The only other possible location I can think of is on
>the floor next to the shifter kinda up under the dash,
>but I like Chris's better.

I like the location between the seat and door because of accessibility.
You can reach the FE from the driver's seat even w/ the door closed, and
from outside the truck, it's much more accessible than it would be on the
hump under the dash.

>I used "riv-nuts" for mounting my radio to the hump
>(which is actually a access cover). that way I can
>unscrew the bracket from the floor without losing the
>nuts underneath.

For your stereo application where the underside of the sheet metal is above
the transmission/bell housing and not easy to get to, riv-nuts sound like
the ideal solution. But if you mount the FE between the door and seat, the
cab floor underside is easily accessible outside the frame rail. The only
potential interference (I can think of) in that location might be nerf bar
or side step mounting brackets. You could use riv-nuts there, but I think
a conventional nut/bolt set would be convenient enough.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:56:12 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - fire extinguishers and "truck stuff"

>Until then, I carry the following where ever they will fit: (some items are
>seasonal and I don't always carry them around town)
>
>Inside the engine compartment:
>Under the rear seat:
>Under the front seats:
>Glove Box:


Ever wonder how much extra weight you're hauling around ?

Guess I'm lucky that I live in the middle of the country, not too crowded,
but not too sparce that I couldn't stumble to a farmhouse either.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:31:19 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - fire extinguishers and "truck stuff"

Bill,

It's under the weight of one person. At least that's what I try to keep it
at. I don't think that is a lot to worry about. I don't carry chains unless
I go to the mountains in snow or mud, like hunting. The topper weighs more
than anything else and I remove it in the summer, replacing it only if I
need to, and suspend it from the ceiling of the garage with rope and
pulleys.

> >Until then, I carry the following where ever they will fit: (some items
> are
> >seasonal and I don't always carry them around town)
> >
> >Inside the engine compartment:
> >Under the rear seat:
> >Under the front seats:
> >Glove Box:
>
> Ever wonder how much extra weight you're hauling around ?
>
The only time I don't know (or worry) about how much I am carrying is when
the wife's friends are in the truck :-)


> Guess I'm lucky that I live in the middle of the country, not too crowded,
> but not too sparce that I couldn't stumble to a farmhouse either.
>
Most emergency items are not for me but for you mid-westerners that visit
our state without knowing how to drive in the mountains, so be nice to me or
I will let you freeze to death next time :-)

> Just my 2cents
>
> Bill
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 13:49:37 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - fire extinguishers and "truck stuff"

>Most emergency items are not for me but for you mid-westerners that visit
>our state without knowing how to drive in the mountains, so be nice to me or
>I will let you freeze to death next time :-)
>
Sounds fair enough :) If I was going on a trip I'd pack like that, but for
around here its not that big of a deal. I ran out of gas the other night
and was looking at a 2 mi. walk. Some guy stopped, but I had good gloves,
a stocking hat, a hood, a long warm coat and some nice hiking boots, just
had to psyche myself up for the walk ( I HATE walking/running!)

I would love to go out there w/my truck, but I hate to think about how much
it would cost me in gas to get there. I was in WY this summer with my
Stang (I cringe on the way home when I have to hit gravel with it, you can
imagine how careful I was out there!). The mts were actually a lot of fun,
I love to carve corners and having the F.I meant I didn't have to worry
about the power loss due to elevation (we were a touch over the 1000ft I
live at :)

Beautiful country out there too ... loved it ... who knows maybe I'll find
a great job and move out there :) Then I could carry all that stuff too! :)

Laters
wish


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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 16:38:47 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE Perf - Spacers

Sleddog, et. al.

Awhile back in the discussion of horsepower/dollar there was mention of
the swirl torque carb spacers.

Here's the dilemma ... I've got a 390 intake manifold from a Galaxie, along
with the carb spacer for the same car. This spacer is designed to have the
coolant passed through it, but this routing will cause my heater hoses to
crimp.

So I'm looking to replace the factory spacer to clean things up (don't like
havin unused ports layin around) and I'm looking for suggestions. I don't
live at high altitutes, but do have major temperature swings ( -30s in
winter and 100's in the summer, also have seen 30degree swings in the
matter of a couple hours).

Any thoughts you guys have would be helpful,


Thanks,
wish
73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390
96 Mustang GT

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 19:40:23 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Spacers

what carb pattern? i would think a 4 hole spacer, especially a
plastic/phenolic one would be good. an aluminum would be fine too, but the
plastic or phenolic does insulate the carb from some heat.

there may not really be a need for the spacer at all. is it really
necessary? you may notice a small increase on the top end with an open
style, and maybe a small increase in mileage (just guessing) with the 4
hole, but no spacer at all compared to a 4 hole may not make a moticeable
difference - depends on the engine.

the coolant passages thru the spacer sound good to me for something! a
good place to hide some nitrous lnes!!! got me thinking now... if i could
make one big enough for a dominater with big 5/8 heater lines running the
nitrous into the plate. ooh, i like it!!

sleddog

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Subject: FTE Perf - Spacers

Sleddog, et. al.

Awhile back in the discussion of horsepower/dollar there was mention of
the swirl torque carb spacers.

Here's the dilemma ... I've got a 390 intake manifold from a Galaxie, along
with the carb spacer for the same car. This spacer is designed to have the
coolant passed through it, but this routing will cause my heater hoses to
crimp.

So I'm looking to replace the factory spacer to clean things up (don't like
havin unused ports layin around) and I'm looking for suggestions. I don't
live at high altitutes, but do have major temperature swings ( -30s in
winter and 100's in the summer, also have seen 30degree swings in the
matter of a couple hours).

Any thoughts you guys have would be helpful,


Thanks,
wish
73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390
96 Mustang GT

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:01:13 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - fire extinguishers and "truck stuff"

Erston Reisch wrote:
>
> Tim Turner wrote:
> >
> > (Parallell to the seats.) It's not mounted but only
> > the really rough stuff has knocked it loose.
>
> Personally, I'd strap that thing down to something solid - in a roll over
> accident (and I won't go into B-IIs rolling) that FE could be a nasty
> projectile flying around your passenger compartment.

Good point.. I'm 'chicken' when it comes to extreme angles with this
truck, but you never know when some dolt will run a light or something
and boom.

>
> > Glad to know I'm not the only one with a tow strap, FE, and also a
> > 'portable jump-start' box in the back. (And oil, filter, rags, water,
> > first aid kits etc. etc.)
>
> That's been one of my projects this week: how to carry all my car stuff in a
> single cab pickup! Since I want a canopy later, truck boxes wouldn't work,
> but I needed something waterproof and reasonably theft-deterring.

I dont know if they're available for Rangers, but there are boxes
designed to mount in the wheel-well spaces for some trucks; might be
something to look into. :-)

> My next project is cables that connect the padlocks to the tiedowns, so that
> my boxes don't grow legs. Won't stop someone with a saw, but..

Use BIG cable!

TT
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:28:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....

Also, with my exhaust, this is what I've noticed:
When I rev it, it's black smoke, then as the smoke goes further into the
air, it turns whitish/blue color. If I hold it at a constant rpm, there
is no smoke at all, when I let off the gas, there is a little whitish blue
smoke that puffs out. Sounds kinda like some intake problem, but then
again, what do I know?

Thanks AGAIN...
Justin Farcas
>
> 2 places - rings, or valve seals. a compression test can give a clue. if
> compression is higher after a small squirt of oil into the cylinders, the
> rings are not seated. otherwise the oil is getting past the valve seals
> and guides most likely. even if rich, it could be buring oil as it must be
> going somewhere. but sometimes a leak is hard to find - but a 1/2 quart a
> week shouldn't be hard to spot. it could also be going past the breathers
> on the valve covers. check pcv valve or breathers or excessive oiling.
>
> sleddog
>
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> Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 6:04 PM
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> Subject: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....
>
> Hey everyone, just suscribed to this list with referral from the 61-79
> list. They told me that maybe someone here could help me out. So, here
> it is:
>
> My truck, a 79 F150 4x4 3spd auto with a 460 bbl, has a few problems ith
> the engine. It's rebuilt, with about 5k miles on it. It smells like it
> is burning something, kinda like oil. It loses about 1/4 - 1/2 quart of
> oil a week. I can't figure out where it's going. I see no major leaks
> anywhere, and I checked my plugs. None of them had oil, just a bunch of
> carbon buildup, from my fuel mixture being too rich. Could the rich mix
> cause an exhaust smell kinda like oil? Or do i have leak somewhere? I'm
> getting kinda tired of having to put in oil every week, so I would like
> some help with this, and diagnostics or suggestions are all appreciated.
>
> Thanks again,
> Justin Farcas
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:29:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....

Hmmm...what I have on my truck are no emissions controls, stock manifolds,
and dual pipes out the sides before the rear tires...
>
> Emission system problems can cause too much crankcase pressure and therefore
> cause the engine to throw oil (I learned this the hard way). My emissions
> system piping was incorrectly installed and my truck threw oil like crazy.
> Once I piped the hoses correctly the oil throwing problem went away.
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:31:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....t

Well, I think I'm gonna take it in to a shop to get a tune up, see and
then see what I can tell. Thanks man.
> >
>
> Justin Farcas wrote:
> >
> > Also...
> > Is it possible that I might have my PCV hose hooked up to the wrong vacuum
> > inlet?
> >
>
> It needs to be hooked to it's own inlet as it's (sorta) a calibrated
> vacuum leak, but I dont think that's the major problem. As 'Dog said
> you wont always see oil build-up on the plugs especially with a rich
> condition. It takes a LOT of oil to foul a plug visibly, slightly
> excess usage may show on the insulator as a 'cruddy' build-up about the
> color of a cigarette filter tip; but addressing the rich condition will
> help some as you're diluting the oil with gas and making it easier to
> burn/leak. (and shortening the life of the engine)
>
> Keep us posted!
>
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:36:42 -0500
From: Thomas Teixeira
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - How to clean K&N filtercharger

>In a message dated 1/26/99 5:46:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, don neomagic.com
>writes:
>
>>
>
>The filter itself doesn't trap much, it relies on the oil to gather the dirt.

Don't OVER oil it either. This is more of an issue with fuel injected
engines where the oil can come off the filter and gunk up the sensor wire
on a mass air-flow sensor.

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 21:39:35 EST
From: WJeff43 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....

I thought you said you had a PCV valve? PCV valves and an air pumps are
emmission controls.
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:58:20 -0600
From: "ben"
Subject: FTE Perf - pistons

Is it possible to use 351C pistons in a 71 400M? And are there any oversize
pistons available for a '71 400M? Because I want to build it up, but if
there is no way to get some good pistons in it, I'm pretty much out of
luck. I was thinking of re-ringing it but I don't know how long it will
last with the 351C 4v heads I plan on using. Any info, ideas, thoughts??

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 23:25:18 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....

Some one correct me if i am wrong, but blue is oil, black is rich fuel, and
white is water.

so, since it is giving a little blue smoke i would say that is where your
oil is going. must do a compresion test to see if the rings are bad or the
vlave seals.

do you have a compression tester?

sleddog

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