perf-list-digest Wednesday, January 27 1999 Volume 02 : Number 020



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....
Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....
Re: FTE Perf - Nodular 9 Inch
Re: FTE Perf - Nodular 9 Inch
Re: FTE Perf - Nodular 9 Inch
Re: FTE Perf - How to clean K&N filtercharger
FTE Perf - Nodular 9"
Re: FTE Perf - Nodular 9 Inch
RE: FTE Perf - How to clean K&N filtercharger
Re: FTE Perf - fire extinguisher mounting was:Political Rant!
RE: FTE Perf - How to clean K&N filtercharger
RE: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....
FTE Perf - Re: fire extinguisher mounting
Re: FTE Perf - Signature
Re: FTE Perf - fire extinguisher mounting was:Political Rant!
RE: FTE Perf - fire extinguisher mounting
Re: FTE Perf - Nodular 9 Inch
Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....
RE: FTE Perf - How to clean K&N filtercharger
Re: FTE Perf - How to clean K&N filtercharger
RE: FTE Perf - Nodular 9 Inch
Re: FTE Perf - Re: Political Rant
FTE Perf - 9" rears
Re: FTE Perf - fire extinguisher mounting
Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....
FTE Perf - Nodular 9 Inch
FTE Perf - fire extinguishers and "truck stuff"

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:37:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....

Thanks man. I'll have to check it all out, I guess. One question, though.
If it was burning oil, wouldn't it be seen on the plugs?

>
> 2 places - rings, or valve seals. a compression test can give a clue. if
> compression is higher after a small squirt of oil into the cylinders, the
> rings are not seated. otherwise the oil is getting past the valve seals
> and guides most likely. even if rich, it could be buring oil as it must be
> going somewhere. but sometimes a leak is hard to find - but a 1/2 quart a
> week shouldn't be hard to spot. it could also be going past the breathers
> on the valve covers. check pcv valve or breathers or excessive oiling.
>
> sleddog
>
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> From: Justin Farcas[SMTP:ae571 seorf.ohiou.edu]
> Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 6:04 PM
> To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....
>
> Hey everyone, just suscribed to this list with referral from the 61-79
> list. They told me that maybe someone here could help me out. So, here
> it is:
>
> My truck, a 79 F150 4x4 3spd auto with a 460 bbl, has a few problems ith
> the engine. It's rebuilt, with about 5k miles on it. It smells like it
> is burning something, kinda like oil. It loses about 1/4 - 1/2 quart of
> oil a week. I can't figure out where it's going. I see no major leaks
> anywhere, and I checked my plugs. None of them had oil, just a bunch of
> carbon buildup, from my fuel mixture being too rich. Could the rich mix
> cause an exhaust smell kinda like oil? Or do i have leak somewhere? I'm
> getting kinda tired of having to put in oil every week, so I would like
> some help with this, and diagnostics or suggestions are all appreciated.
>
> Thanks again,
> Justin Farcas
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 07:44:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....

Also...
Is it possible that I might have my PCV hose hooked up to the wrong vacuum
inlet?

Thanks again,

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 08:14:42 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Nodular 9 Inch

>I'm not sure when it was discontinued, but it didnt go up to 86, as my bros 84
>has the 8.8.

That struck me as odd, but I'm pretty sure my roommates 86 F150 4x4 has the
9" in it, though I haven't looked at it closely... You said your bros truck
was an 300 I6, and if it didn't have the towing package, its possible that
different engines got different rearends too (his is 351W factory)


My next question, would the 9 inch under a 73 half ton be a
>nodular? If so I have one under a trailer, also, would this have the 31
>spline axles?

I doubt it woudl be unless you can prove the trailer package ... I would
imagine that you will be hard pressed to put enough power through a stock
9" to break it, so as someone else mentioned, you're probably just as far
ahead to swap the axles if they will work (an 8.8 ought to hold the trailer
don't you think ?)


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:12:25 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Nodular 9 Inch

In a message dated 99-01-26 09:16:12 EST, you write:

>

My thoughts exactly, just need to convince dad. (They are his trailers.) We
have two, one for hauling junk, and one is our psudeo camper. It has a shell
on it that flips open into a tent. Real nice set up, but its like towing a
drag chute. Thanks guys.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:30:32 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Nodular 9 Inch

>have two, one for hauling junk, and one is our psudeo camper. It has a shell
>on it that flips open into a tent. Real nice set up, but its like towing a
>drag chute. Thanks guys.
>

Aren't you supposed to put the tent down while you drive ? :)

Good luck with the swaps :)

wish
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 09:08:19 -0800
From: Chris Bradley
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - How to clean K&N filtercharger

Don't tell me you forgot ot oil you filter?? :-)
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Sleddog wrote:

> and don't forget to reoil it!
>
> don't ask...
>
> sleddog
>
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> Sent: Monday, January 25, 1999 11:18 PM
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> Subject: Re: FTE Perf - How to clean K&N filtercharger
>
> Go out and buy the K&N cleaning kit. It is under 10 bucks.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:10:46 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Nodular 9"

Darrell Dugan writes: >>My next question, would the 9 inch under a 73 half ton
be a
nodular? If so I have one under a trailer, also, would this have the 31
spline axles?

I'm not absolutely positive of this, but I believe all Nodulars were of the 31
spline variety. All I've ever seen have been. The Nodular is easily
distinguished by the 2" or thereabouts "N" cast into the top part of the
housing. Not easy to see while in the vehicle, but with a little effort it can
be seen, and once you see it, you will recognize it.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 12:16:28 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Nodular 9 Inch

In a message dated 99-01-26 11:31:47 EST, you write:

>

Sorry, I didnt mean to suggest we tow with it open. what I meant was its not
vey aero dynamic, the shell is designed to curve around the back of the cab,
just like the bed (if it were still a whole truck) and it drags you down,
especially in a head wind.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 10:32:10 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - How to clean K&N filtercharger

The ONLY way I know to clean it is to buy the K&N Recharger kit for about
$9.95 at some of the auto parts stores. It comes with a bottle of cleaner
and the oil. There will be instructions in the box. The only thing I would
suggest is to find one with the spray can for the oil and not the squirt
bottle. You might be able to buy them separately at a motorcycle shop.

I installed a K&N Jet Kit in my motorcycle and it came with the spray can,
not the squirt bottle, so when I re-oiled the K&N FIPK in my truck I used
the spray can instead. It worked much better and you don't waste the oil.

I re-oil every year because my truck likes to play in the dirt and the K&N
FIPK looks like crap after a few months of hard off-roading.

Scott

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From:don neomagic.com [SMTP:don neomagic.com]
Sent:Monday, January 25, 1999 8:21 PM
To:perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject:FTE Perf - How to clean K&N filtercharger

> I just inherited a K&N filtercharger on an engine I bought and was
> wondering what's the best way to clean it.
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:08:05 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - fire extinguisher mounting was:Political Rant!

>From: Chris Bradley
>Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Political Rant!
>
>How about right between the drivers seat,
>and the door (mounted on the floor)
>That's where mine is on my '85 Bronco,
>looks good, and is easy to get to.

Yo Scott:

I'll second Chris's suggestion. I have mine mounted on the floor between
the driver's seat and the door. It is immediately accessible from the
driver's seat even w/ the door closed and, of course, easily accessible w/
the door open. I think the floor shape is the same in this part of the cab
regular cab or SuperCab, in all trucks/FS Broncos from 1980 to 1996 (or '97
HDs). If you wanted to be extra safe, you could even mount one in the same
location on the passenger side, and then you'd have both a spare
extinguisher and one accessible from either side of the truck.

A couple other notes on fire extinguishers. For in-vehicle use, where the
most likely fires are either liquid fuel or electrical sources, I prefer
the "marine" type extinguisher rated for only B (liquid) and C (electrical)
type fires. I believe that they are more effective for B and C fires (the
most likely in or around vehicles) than the all purpose ABC types.
(Besides, if you look at the ABC rating on a dry chemical unit, the A
rating is only 1, the lowest, so they are only marginally effective for dry
combustibles anyway.)

As for fire extinguisher usage, if the fire is contained in a small area,
such as the engine compartment, repeated short bursts are sometimes more
effective than the normally recommended long, sustained sweeping spray. If
the fire is larger, such as spilled fuel on the ground, the longer
sustained sweeping technique is most appropriate.

One of the first things I have been taught in every first aid class I've
taken (including CPR) is to evaluate the situation first, before deciding
on a course of action. That way, you don't go from being the rescuer to
being another victim. Before you rush in w/ the extinguisher, think about
whether your extinguisher is adequate to the task, and if it's not, whether
there would be anything to gain by using it. People are more important
than things, and sometimes getting someone to safety is more important than
saving their stuff or even their vehicle.

IMHO, a fire extinguisher should be carried in all vehicles at all times.
When I think of what problems could beset me while driving, the worst
possible problem, in terms of sheer damage to the vehicle, would have to be
a fire, and not carrying an extinguisher is like not having a spare tire,
except the stakes are a bit higher . I wouldn't even consider it.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:17:11 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - How to clean K&N filtercharger

we were in a BIG hurry...

sleddog

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Subject: Re: FTE Perf - How to clean K&N filtercharger


Don't tell me you forgot ot oil you filter?? :-)
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:05:39 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....

not always.

sleddog

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Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 2:37 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....

Thanks man. I'll have to check it all out, I guess. One question, though.
If it was burning oil, wouldn't it be seen on the plugs?


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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:26:26 -0500
From: Paul M Radecki
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: fire extinguisher mounting

I, too, carry a tow strap and jumper cables in my truck (used both in
one day last week... on two different strangers' vehicles!) but I never
got around to installing a fire extinguisher. Time to remedy that, but
first a question: how much extinguisher is enough? Will a common 3 lb
ABC put out a car fire, or do I need something stronger? Obviously
bigger is better, but I can't very well have a pumper truck follow me
around... What do you guys/gals use?

lordjanusz juno.com
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 14:53:39 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Signature

In a message dated 1/26/99 11:51:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,
lordjanusz juno.com writes:


available, they can also be used to transfer intense welding heat to
the palm of your hand. >>

I like it, almost as good as the one that says, If it cant be fixed with duck
tape, it aint broke
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:02:06 -0500
From: ryana asg.com (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - fire extinguisher mounting was:Political Rant!

At 13:08 1/26/99 , you wrote:
>I'll second Chris's suggestion. I have mine mounted on the floor between
>the driver's seat and the door. It is immediately accessible from the
>driver's seat even w/ the door closed and, of course, easily accessible w/
>the door open. I think the floor shape is the same in this part of the cab
>regular cab or SuperCab, in all trucks/FS Broncos from 1980 to 1996 (or '97
>HDs). If you wanted to be extra safe, you could even mount one in the same
>location on the passenger side, and then you'd have both a spare
>extinguisher and one accessible from either side of the truck.

Curiously, how is it mounted? Screwed in to the floor? The seat bottom?

>For in-vehicle use, where the
>most likely fires are either liquid fuel or electrical sources, I prefer
>the "marine" type extinguisher rated for only B (liquid) and C (electrical)

Good call.

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 13:33:34 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - fire extinguisher mounting

Dave,

That is an excellent idea. Chris's suggestion is a good one. The
only other possible location I can think of is on the floor next to the
shifter kinda up under the dash, but I like Chris's better. I guess you
would have to drill through the floor with self threading screws but you
might prefer to use nuts and locking washers on the underside. I used
"riv-nuts" for mounting my radio to the hump (which is actually a access
cover). that way I can unscrew the bracket from the floor without losing the
nuts underneath. Riv-nuts are threaded inserts that can be mounted in a
blind hole (a hole with no way to get to the other side) They are installed
with what looks like a cherry rivet gun (or pop rivet gun) You just drill a
hole, insert the loaded rivet gun, pull it until the backside flares to fill
the hole. When you pull it out you now have a threaded hole with a slight
flange on top. If you cut a small slit in the carpet, it will sit just below
the carpet with the slit just large enough to run a screw through. It looks
very nice and is barely noticeable when it is removed. I use the tools from
work because I don't use them enough to justify the cost, but I think you
can rent the stuff to do it. I find it easier to use these things than to
drill and tap sometimes. You can always drill them out and redo them if you
strip the threads. They come in aluminum and stainless steel. The steel ones
are a # !$% to install.

Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Dave Resch [SMTP:Dave.Resch sybase.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, January 26, 1999 11:08 AM
> To:perf-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE Perf - fire extinguisher mounting was:Political
> Rant!
>
> >From: Chris Bradley
> >Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Political Rant!
> >
> >How about right between the drivers seat,
> >and the door (mounted on the floor)
> >That's where mine is on my '85 Bronco,
> >looks good, and is easy to get to.
>
> Yo Scott:
>
> I'll second Chris's suggestion. I have mine mounted on the floor between
> the driver's seat and the door. It is immediately accessible from the
> driver's seat even w/ the door closed and, of course, easily accessible w/
> the door open. I think the floor shape is the same in this part of the
> cab
> regular cab or SuperCab, in all trucks/FS Broncos from 1980 to 1996 (or
> '97
> HDs). If you wanted to be extra safe, you could even mount one in the
> same
> location on the passenger side, and then you'd have both a spare
> extinguisher and one accessible from either side of the truck.
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:18:35 EST
From: WJeff43 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Nodular 9 Inch

The 9" rear end from 73 to 79 is pretty much the same. Two different splines
were used, a 28 and I think a 31 (might be a 33). Two different wheel
bearings were also used, conical type roller bearings and regular ball
bearings. There are many different ratios out there also (in junkyards).
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:22:04 EST
From: WJeff43 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....

Emission system problems can cause too much crankcase pressure and therefore
cause the engine to throw oil (I learned this the hard way). My emissions
system piping was incorrectly installed and my truck threw oil like crazy.
Once I piped the hoses correctly the oil throwing problem went away.
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 99 17:49:18 PST
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - How to clean K&N filtercharger

>
> and don't forget to reoil it!
>
> don't ask...
>
> sleddog
>

I'm asking :). What's the downside here?
- -- Don
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 20:49:39 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - How to clean K&N filtercharger

In a message dated 1/26/99 5:46:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, don neomagic.com
writes:

>

The filter itself doesn't trap much, it relies on the oil to gather the dirt.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 21:37:51 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Nodular 9 Inch

also i have found 2 different bolt patterns for the 4 bolts that are on the
end that the ends (cover, brakes, etc) get bolted to. over the years there
was also three different housing styles of different strength. the center
part of the weldment is longer on each style. the longer ones are
stronger.

sleddog

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From: WJeff43 AOL.COM[SMTP:WJeff43 AOL.COM]
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 1999 7:18 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Nodular 9 Inch

The 9" rear end from 73 to 79 is pretty much the same. Two different
splines
were used, a 28 and I think a 31 (might be a 33). Two different wheel
bearings were also used, conical type roller bearings and regular ball
bearings. There are many different ratios out there also (in junkyards).
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:13:34 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: Political Rant

FLR150 AOL.COM wrote:
>
> Gang,
> I too agree with Darrell's opinion on stopping to help people. But just to be
> devil's advocate, a friend and I stopped one night to help what looked to be 2
> young ladies with a broken down car. Well, it so happened that these 2 girl's
> boyfriends were waiting in the bushes with 9 mm pistols and proceeded to make
> us get on the ground and stole my buddy's truck and all of our luggage. We
> were on our way to Charleston, SC. To make a long story short, we all need to
> stop and help each other, but be cautious and watch your back. Jerks are
> everywhere and they could be right behind you before you know it.


I made my main response to the original post in the offroad list, but I
made reference to that possibility in it. Sorry it happened to a list
member! :-( Fires/accident scenes are one thing needing immediate
assistance IF YOU ARE TRAINED otherwise stay outta the way of those that
are! Render what assistance you can until better help arrives and make
a full report of what's been done prior to their arrival. (ie I moved
this person due to life-threatening fire, this person has NOT been
moved, the battery cable WAS cut/disconnected etc. etc.) EVERY detail
you can give will be helpful to the people arriving on the scene to do
their job.

TT
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 19:15:46 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak
Subject: FTE Perf - 9" rears

In my experience, all the 73-79 9" rears I have seen have been 31
spline.
A 67-72 9" rear I took apart had 28 spine axles.

My .02

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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:32:46 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - fire extinguisher mounting

"Giddens, Scott" wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> That is an excellent idea. Chris's suggestion is a good one. The
> only other possible location I can think of is on the floor next to the
> shifter kinda up under the dash, but I like Chris's better.

With my seat position and shifter position in a B-II it's a perfect fit
for the normal 'hardware store' size extinquisher between the seat and
shifter lengthwise. (Parallell to the seats.) It's not mounted but only
the really rough stuff has knocked it loose. It's handy and easy to to
check the dial for proper pressure; but I am reminded of a story by a
co-worker where one was under the seat and moving the seat backward
produced immediate results... POOSH! ;-)

Glad to know I'm not the only one with a tow strap, FE, and also a
'portable jump-start' box in the back. (And oil, filter, rags, water,
first aid kits etc. etc.)

TT
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 22:43:11 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 460 Probs....

Justin Farcas wrote:
>
> Also...
> Is it possible that I might have my PCV hose hooked up to the wrong vacuum
> inlet?
>

It needs to be hooked to it's own inlet as it's (sorta) a calibrated
vacuum leak, but I dont think that's the major problem. As 'Dog said
you wont always see oil build-up on the plugs especially with a rich
condition. It takes a LOT of oil to foul a plug visibly, slightly
excess usage may show on the insulator as a 'cruddy' build-up about the
color of a cigarette filter tip; but addressing the rich condition will
help some as you're diluting the oil with gas and making it easier to
burn/leak. (and shortening the life of the engine)

Keep us posted!

TT
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Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 18:46:47 -0800
From: George
Subject: FTE Perf - Nodular 9 Inch

In a message dated 99-01-25 22:42:45 EST, you write:


iron, with a grain pattern superior to standard cast iron, was used by
Ford
during the late 60s and early 70s. >>

I'm not sure when it was discontinued, but it didnt go up to 86, as my bros
84
has the 8.8. My next question, would the 9 inch under a 73 half ton be a
nodular? If so I have one under a trailer, also, would this have the 31
spline axles?

According to Currie, and they've built a very successful business with the
9', its later series ran from '73-86. P/Us, Broncos and vans had the 31
spline and the 28 spline was generally found in full sized passenger cars.
Lots of resto-rods use the Lincoln Versai 9" (phonetics did me good)
because it comes with disc brakes.
You'll have to identify the trailer axle.

George Miller

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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:21:10 -0800
From: Erston Reisch
Subject: FTE Perf - fire extinguishers and "truck stuff"

Tim Turner wrote:
>
> With my seat position and shifter position in a B-II it's a perfect fit
> for the normal 'hardware store' size extinquisher between the seat and
> shifter lengthwise. (Parallell to the seats.) It's not mounted but only
> the really rough stuff has knocked it loose.

Personally, I'd strap that thing down to something solid - in a roll over
accident (and I won't go into B-IIs rolling) that FE could be a nasty
projectile flying around your passenger compartment.

> Glad to know I'm not the only one with a tow strap, FE, and also a
> 'portable jump-start' box in the back. (And oil, filter, rags, water,....

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