perf-list-digest Monday, January 25 1999 Volume 02 : Number 018



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In this issue:

RE: FTE Perf - Re: 370 engine
FTE Perf - Re: 370 engine
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Nov & Dec archives
FTE Perf - Political Rant!
Re: FTE Perf - Political Rant!
FTE Perf - Political Rant! - More
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Web site updates

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:43:20 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Re: 370 engine

i really think you don't need 4-bolt mains. as i have said before the 2
bolt block and mains will take more punishment than most people can give.
if your rpm limit is under 8000, don't worry. if HP is under 800 or so,
don't worry.

and don't listen to what the builders that want to sell you parts are
saying - some examples:
the stock crank is good for only 650 hp and 6500 rpm.
you need the 4 bolt conversion or block after that limit and a steel crank.
oiling system needs major work for anything over 6500 rpm or so.

these are all bull that they use to up the cost of your build. the oiling
system is kind of true, but only if you are over about 7000 rpm with loose
tolerances and high oil heat and for a long period of time. trust me i
know, experience here. i have low oil pressure at running oil temps since
all is against me - high rpms, loose tolerances (especially rod side
clearance) high oil heat due to concreted block....

oh, and i have never seen or heard of a 2 bolt main let go, even after
broken rods have destroyed almost every other part in the engine...

sleddog

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From: Vogt Family[SMTP:vogt oro.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 1999 1:21 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: 370 engine


Wow, I was under the impression that a 2 bolt block couldn't be machined
for 4 bolt. I also have a D1VE block and now that I have set my mind on
a separate daily driver and 4x toy I am thinking more performance. Tell
me more about the 4 bolt deal.

Birken





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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 11:26:17 -0800
From: George
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: 370 engine

I agree with sleddog on the two bolt main 429/460 blocks. Everything I've
read and other followers of that block all say the same thing; it's
bulletproof up to about 800HP. And so many were produced that the price is
definitely right.

On the steel crank in the 370? 429 engines used in trucks above the P/U
class were all produced with forged cranks. Problem is, they run so many
miles the bone yards never see them.

George Miller

i really think you don't need 4-bolt mains. as i have said before the 2
bolt block and mains will take more punishment than most people can give.
if your rpm limit is under 8000, don't worry. if HP is under 800 or so,
don't worry.

and don't listen to what the builders that want to sell you parts are
saying - some examples:
the stock crank is good for only 650 hp and 6500 rpm.
you need the 4 bolt conversion or block after that limit and a steel crank.
oiling system needs major work for anything over 6500 rpm or so.

these are all bull that they use to up the cost of your build. the oiling
system is kind of true, but only if you are over about 7000 rpm with loose
tolerances and high oil heat and for a long period of time. trust me i
know, experience here. i have low oil pressure at running oil temps since
all is against me - high rpms, loose tolerances (especially rod side
clearance) high oil heat due to concreted block....

oh, and i have never seen or heard of a 2 bolt main let go, even after
broken rods have destroyed almost every other part in the engine...

sleddog



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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 14:59:26 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Nov & Dec archives

November and December list archives are now on the website.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:52:55 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Political Rant!

Well folks I have to share something that really burns me up. While heading
back into town in my F-600 I spotted a small truck that had just caught fire.
The owner was desperately throwing his belongings out onto the shoulder as on
lookers stood back and watched. The first thing I did was get my Fire
Extinguisher out and tried to douse the flames, when that didn't work I
grabbed my shovel and proceeded to dig one heck of a hole on the side of the
road trying to snuff the fire, or at least keep it contained to the bed of the
truck. The owner and I shoveled dirt for what seemed like an eternity until
the tank blew, and after that all we could do was stand back and watch. This
whole event lasted almost 30 min, and in that time only 2 other folks stopped
to help. One was a corrections officer, who called the FD, and one was a
gentleman in a 99 Super Duty who unfortunately had a bad extinguisher. Now
just so you know, this was on I-15 so there was plenty of traffic, some
honking, and I think even one %^ $%& took photos. What is this world coming
to when making good time is more important than helping someone in need? More
truckers (which by law have extinguishers) passed by without even glancing in
our direction. It really makes one think as to what would happen if this were
you. I ALWAYS offer assistance because no vehicle is fool proof, and you're
bound to need help sooner or later. When all was said and done, I wished the
owner my heartfelt apologies, better luck, shook his hand and left. I didn't
care that I have to pay to refill my extinguisher, or that because of this I
was late to my next job. All I wanted to do was help this poor guy save some
of his stuff. I'm sorry to rant like this, but if just one more good
extinguisher had shown up, he probably could've drivin the truck away. But
now its a total. I hope you all stop and help folks in need, and I know a lot
of you do, Deacon knows this all to well. I wish I could've contributed to
that fund, but money is way tight over here right now. I know you cant help
everybody, but c'mon folks, is 10 min of time really gonna be the end of the
world??????

Sorry to take up your time. See yall out there.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 19:48:34 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Political Rant!

JUMPINFORD AOL.COM wrote:
>
> Well folks I have to share something that really burns me up. While heading
> back into town in my F-600 I spotted a small truck that had just caught fire.
> The owner was desperately throwing his belongings out onto the shoulder as on
> lookers stood back and watched. The first thing I did was get my Fire
> Extinguisher out and tried to douse the flames, when that didn't work I
> grabbed my shovel and proceeded to dig one heck of a hole on the side of the
> road trying to snuff the fire, or at least keep it contained to the bed of the
> truck. The owner and I shoveled dirt for what seemed like an eternity until
> the tank blew, and after that all we could do was stand back and watch. This
> whole event lasted almost 30 min, and in that time only 2 other folks stopped
> to help. One was a corrections officer, who called the FD, and one was a
> gentleman in a 99 Super Duty who unfortunately had a bad extinguisher. Now
> just so you know, this was on I-15 so there was plenty of traffic, some
> honking, and I think even one %^ $%& took photos. What is this world coming
> to when making good time is more important than helping someone in need? More
> truckers (which by law have extinguishers) passed by without even glancing in
> our direction. It really makes one think as to what would happen if this were
> you. I ALWAYS offer assistance because no vehicle is fool proof, and you're
> bound to need help sooner or later. When all was said and done, I wished the
> owner my heartfelt apologies, better luck, shook his hand and left. I didn't
> care that I have to pay to refill my extinguisher, or that because of this I
> was late to my next job. All I wanted to do was help this poor guy save some
> of his stuff. I'm sorry to rant like this, but if just one more good
> extinguisher had shown up, he probably could've drivin the truck away. But
> now its a total. I hope you all stop and help folks in need, and I know a lot
> of you do, Deacon knows this all to well. I wish I could've contributed to
> that fund, but money is way tight over here right now. I know you cant help
> everybody, but c'mon folks, is 10 min of time really gonna be the end of the
> world??????
>
> Sorry to take up your time. See yall out there.
>
> Darrell Duggan
> 74 F-350 "Tweety"
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This reminds me of the time we were driving down I95 major interstate on
the east coast(LOT OF TRAFFIC) and car cut a truck driver off and
swerved to miss the car and flip his rig. It caught on fire and my
brother was the only to stop, had to kick the windshield out to get the
guy out, but no one else even stopped.
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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:39:54 -0800
From: George
Subject: FTE Perf - Political Rant! - More

Well folks I have to share something that really burns me up. While
heading
back into town in my F-600 I spotted a small truck that had just caught
fire.
The owner was desperately throwing his belongings out onto the shoulder as
on
lookers stood back and watched. The first thing I did was get my Fire
Extinguisher out and tried to douse the flames, when that didn't work I
grabbed my shovel and proceeded to dig one heck of a hole on the side of
the
road trying to snuff the fire, or at least keep it contained to the bed of
the
truck. The owner and I shoveled dirt for what seemed like an eternity
until
the tank blew, and after that all we could do was stand back and watch.
This
whole event lasted almost 30 min, and in that time only 2 other folks
stopped
to help. One was a corrections officer, who called the FD, and one was a
gentleman in a 99 Super Duty who unfortunately had a bad extinguisher. Now
just so you know, this was on I-15 so there was plenty of traffic, some
honking, and I think even one %^ $%& took photos. What is this world
coming
to when making good time is more important than helping someone in need?
More
truckers (which by law have extinguishers) passed by without even glancing
in
our direction. It really makes one think as to what would happen if this
were
you. I ALWAYS offer assistance because no vehicle is fool proof, and
you're
bound to need help sooner or later. When all was said and done, I wished
the
owner my heartfelt apologies, better luck, shook his hand and left. I
didn't
care that I have to pay to refill my extinguisher, or that because of this
I
was late to my next job. All I wanted to do was help this poor guy save
some
of his stuff. I'm sorry to rant like this, but if just one more good
extinguisher had shown up, he probably could've drivin the truck away. But
now its a total. I hope you all stop and help folks in need, and I know a
lot
of you do, Deacon knows this all to well. I wish I could've contributed to
that fund, but money is way tight over here right now. I know you cant
help
everybody, but c'mon folks, is 10 min of time really gonna be the end of
the
world??????

Sorry to take up your time. See yall out there.

Darrell Duggan

Like Darrell, I always stop to help any time I see an out of control
situation. Unfortunately, that isn't true of everyone. One big factor with
truckers and anybody who reads a newspaper is liability. Some states have
Good Samaritan legislation; you can't sue someone helping you during a
roadside emergency. Most don't and in places like Kalifornia, sleazy
personal injury shysters comb police and insurance claims for lawsuit
material. They (the lawyers) know most homeowner liability insurance
carriers will settle what they consider nuisance lawsuits in lieu of
expensive litigation. Maybe the definition of a lie by our current
administration says something about the moral right to sue someone who is
trying to save your life. There are good, decent lawyers but those who seem
to have the greatest impact on our day-to-day life all seem to live in some
ivory tower where somebody else carries the guns to protect them and they
only drive on blocked-off roads for publicity photos.

Sorry to get so far off the list topic but I drive a high performance Ford
Truck and always carry plenty of tools for those 'adjustments' that
sometimes happen a long ways from my garage. I know, thanks to some lawyers
and this country's declining (?) personal responsibility requirements, that
the odds of somebody stopping to help me are right between slim and none.

George Miler

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 22:42:01 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Web site updates

- - We now host the "Snake Oil" article directly after getting
permission from the publisher. This is a good article
dispelling the myths about Slick 50 and other oil treatments.
Go to the main page and click on the misc member contributions
link.

- - 30 new trucks added to the pictorial

- - 5 new links added to links pages

- - New article added to misc section (funny)

- - Event added to events section

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