perf-list-digest Saturday, June 12 1999 Volume 02 : Number 143



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - .60 over??
RE: FTE Perf - hydraulic lifters
FTE Perf - Good years for 460?
Re: FTE Perf - Good years for 460?
RE: FTE Perf - Good years for 460?
RE: FTE Perf - Good years for 460?
Re: FTE Perf - Good years for 460?
Re: FTE Perf - Good years for 460?
Re: FTE Perf - headlights blinking
FTE Perf - Lockup "off" switch

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:37:17 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - .60 over??

>I heard the walls on small block Fords are to thin to go .060 over,
>especially late models. .030 or .040 is the largest.
>

There's lots of rumors on this stuff. Just using the term small block Ford
isn't enough though, we have a 351W at home that is .060 over, it runs
GOOOD :) 'Course its also a 69 motor.

The only way you will know for sure how far your block will go will be to
have it sonic checked ... even then there may be some room for error.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 12:14:22 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - hydraulic lifters

Thanks.

Sleddog

And I was all ready to write a nice post about all this but I cant add a
thing! Well done as usual 'dog :-)

Tim

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 10:44:42 -0700
From: Rod Robertson
Subject: FTE Perf - Good years for 460?

There are no more smog checks for my 1970 F250 Camper Special, so I can drop in
any engine I want to.
It looks like the high compression 460's from 69-70 would have the most
horsepower, but would they run on 92 octane gas?
I was looking at a Jegs catalog where they have an Eddlebrock cam/manifold/carb
combo that I would probably put on any engine I found, so existing carb setup
for certain years wouldn't matter too much to me.
Thanks for any help,
Rod

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 13:47:47 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Good years for 460?

>It looks like the high compression 460's from 69-70 would have the most
>horsepower, but would they run on 92 octane gas?

Most engines'll run on it, how well may be up for debate. You generally
want to stay around 9:1 for steel heads and 10:1 for aluminum. If you do
get pinging you can retard the timing to make up for it a bit. Also a
heavy cam will bleed off some of it, so it all comes down to what you want
to do.... I think I ended up a little high (9.6?) so my timing probably
won't take much more than 10degrees ... but its runnin good, so I'm not
gonna argue with that.


>I was looking at a Jegs catalog where they have an Eddlebrock
cam/manifold/carb
>combo that I would probably put on any engine I found, so existing carb setup
>for certain years wouldn't matter too much to me.

This is probably the Performer or Performer RPM package. It seems like a
pretty good package to me, though the Weiand intakes look pretty
interesting as well ... 0-6000 power range would be pretty impressive,
maybe too impressive to be realistic.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:36:54 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Good years for 460?

i have a weiand stealth, on a 460 with a comp cams 292H cam, headers,
slight porting, etc. that manifold is the best 2 plane manifold i have
ever used. it is very similiar to the SVO manifold, as well as the blue
thunder manifold. Both of which are close to the original SCJ drag pack
option manifold that came on a few fords of that era. In fact, the SVO
one, *might* be a copy of the original casting. i don't have an original
to compare except pictures i saw a long time ago.

that 460 ran from idle to 6500 rpms, with no dead spots. manual trans,
4.10 gears. if i ever build another street 460, and use a 2 plane (i
probobly will use a single plain) i would use the weiand. just my opinion
though.

Sleddog

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From: William S Hart[SMTP:wish iastate.edu]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 2:47 PM
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Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Good years for 460?

This is probably the Performer or Performer RPM package. It seems like a
pretty good package to me, though the Weiand intakes look pretty
interesting as well ... 0-6000 power range would be pretty impressive,
maybe too impressive to be realistic.




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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:51:34 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Good years for 460?

>i have a weiand stealth, on a 460 with a comp cams 292H cam, headers,

>that 460 ran from idle to 6500 rpms, with no dead spots. manual trans,
>4.10 gears. if i ever build another street 460, and use a 2 plane (i
>probobly will use a single plain) i would use the weiand. just my opinion
>though.
>


That's great, I've always wondered what people's experiences were with that
manifold. They seemed good, and I thought I had a deal on one for a 390,
but when that fell through I just left it alone.


Thanks,
wish
73ish F-1?? 4x4
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:46:30 -0700
From: Rod Robertson
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Good years for 460?

William S Hart wrote:

> >It looks like the high compression 460's from 69-70 would have the most
> >horsepower, but would they run on 92 octane gas?
>
> Most engines'll run on it, how well may be up for debate. You generally
> want to stay around 9:1 for steel heads and 10:1 for aluminum. If you do
> get pinging you can retard the timing to make up for it a bit. Also a
> heavy cam will bleed off some of it, so it all comes down to what you want
> to do.... I think I ended up a little high (9.6?) so my timing probably
> won't take much more than 10degrees ... but its runnin good, so I'm not
> gonna argue with that.

The truck's primary heavy job will be carrying a fully self contained 10.5'
Vacationeer Camper, wife, kids and stuff on summer vacations. Last year I went
from California to the Grand Canyon and had to lock it in 2nd and go about 35 mph
on hilly parts of hwy. 40. I suppose what I want is "healthy" vs. ultimate high
rpm horsepower, healthy enough to maintain the speed limit as I drive up and down
the interstate! ;-) (forgot: old motor=360)
It looks like 9-something:1 would be the the best overall ratio. If I remember
the book I saw right, the ratios dropped from the 10's to the eight' without
anything inbetween? Would the low compression motors be just fine for what I have
in mind? Can you put high compression heads on a low compression motor and get an
averaging out? Is this where head shaving comes in? Am I asking
enough annoying questions??

>
>
> >I was looking at a Jegs catalog where they have an Eddlebrock
> cam/manifold/carb
> >combo that I would probably put on any engine I found, so existing carb setup
> >for certain years wouldn't matter too much to me.
>
> This is probably the Performer or Performer RPM package. It seems like a
> pretty good package to me, though the Weiand intakes look pretty
> interesting as well ... 0-6000 power range would be pretty impressive,
> maybe too impressive to be realistic.

I think it was 0-5500 and for about $500, it seems like a good deal. At my
knowledge level,
the matched components have a fair appeal as well

>
>
> Just my 2cents
>
> wish

Thanks for answering,
Rod



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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:30:37 -0700
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Good years for 460?

I think I ended up a little high (9.6?) so my timing probably
> > won't take much more than 10degrees ... but its runnin good, so I'm not
> > gonna argue with that.
>
Would the low compression motors be just fine for what I have
> in mind? Can you put high compression heads on a low compression motor and get an
> averaging out? Is this where head shaving comes in? Am I asking
> enough annoying questions??
>
I run 9.6:1 with steel heads. I also run a mechanical advance, total 34
degrees, 7-10 static, and have had no detonation problems on 92 octane
gas. That includes pulling and carrying heavy loads up grades. I
arrived at the 9.6 by using a set of '69-71 heads and a '72 block.
Forged pistons for insurance.

George Miller
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:06:31 PDT
From: "Art Verling"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - headlights blinking

I'm not sure about your codes, but have you followed the wires from where
they connect from the lamp and follow them from the right lamp to the left
lamp somewhere along the way near the lamps they will be grounded to the
body. If you find it pull on it pretty hard to see it it will come off or is
loose. If the ground to your driving lamps is loose or corroded they may
work for a short time then the connection will get hot and intermittent or
even go out.
Have you removed your grille or some other body part lately? That may be
somewhere to start.
You may also try to run a tempory ground from the negetive side of the
battery to the body and see if that clears it up.

Art verling
art.verling excite.com




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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 01:42:25 EDT
From: FLR150 AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Lockup "off" switch

I know that a few of you have figured out a way to wire up a switch to
control the lockup function of the E4OD trannies. I am wondering if there is
a way to do that on the AODE/4R70W style. Being as they are the predecessor
of the E4OD, are the wiring harnesses and the color codes for the wires the
same? Quite a few of you are techs and do this kind of stuff for a living, so
I hope you can help. I watched my tach during a run tonight at the track and
I visually watched my rpms drop at lockup and my speedo hesitated on the
climb when the lockup occurred. This has got to be killing my times and
probably the tranny in the long run....HELP!
Later,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"....

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