perf-list-digest Wednesday, January 20 1999 Volume 02 : Number 013



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - ADMIN: FTE T-shirts answers
RE: FTE Perf - K & N filtercharger
RE: FTE Perf - K & N filtercharger
Re: FTE Perf - K & N filtercharger
RE: FTE Perf - K & N filtercharger
Re: FTE Perf - K & N filtercharger
Re: FTE Perf - K & N filtercharger

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:00:10 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: FTE T-shirts answers

After yesterday's posting about the new Ford Truck
Enthusiasts t-shirts, I received about a dozen emails
asking about security of ordering over the Internet.
I'm going to outline the measures taken:

1. If you use a browser that handles secure transactions
(Netscape and Internet Explorer are amoung these)
then your order from your browser is sent to our server
using either 128 or 40 bit encryption. Your browser
should indicate with a lock or key symbol somewhere on
the screen (usually the bottom) when you get to the
final order page that the transaction is secure.

2. The transactions are then further encrypted with PGP
using 1024/512 bit RSA encryption and stored on our
server.

3. Each evening these transactions are downloaded to our
system in encrypted form and we decrypt them on our
system. At no time is your personal information sent
over public lines unencrypted.

4. Nova, the Visa/Mastercard/Amex processor, runs a credit
check on both Ford Truck Enthusiasts and my personal
credit. Credit requirements for an Internet business
are tighter than non-Internet businesses to help insure
ethical transaction practices.

5. Nova requires a publically stated return and shipping
policy and we supply this on our order form.

Concerning the Ford truck club that is being formed (still
working on the Constitution for it)... if you join the
club and have ordered a t-shirt, the club member t-shirt
discount will be applied to your club membership fee. More
on this later....

Ken Payne



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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:56:18 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - K & N filtercharger

Chris,

Does your TBI point towards the fender? From the description you give, it
sounds like it. Mine points forward, that could be the reason yours is
whistling. My guess is your manifold is the same as mine except the throttle
body is rotated 90 degrees to the mounting surface. I believe that is true
from what I remember seeing in my manual for the older FI's. Some TBI's
where mid-mounted on the intake but I believe that year they were mounted at
the end where mine is but for some reason they where rotated, possibly to
avoid bending the air inlet hose too much, thus causing turbulent air
(whistle) at or just after the TBI.

If true, I suppose you could eliminate it by adapting a newer TBI, like
mine, but I'm not sure how close the intake manifolds are or if there is
just an adapter that rotates the TBI.


I wonder if Ford later realized it is better to bend the inlet air hose than
to rotate the TBI from the straight direction of air flow after mixing fuel
in it.

Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Chris Bradley [SMTP:chrisb direct.ca]
> Sent:Monday, January 18, 1999 8:22 PM
> To:perf-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE Perf - K & N filtercharger
>
> Scott,
> This is not a new whistle. It is like a whistle a person would make.
> The
> reason I can hear it more with the FIPK, is that the air intake hose is
> almost
> straight. The stock set up is almost an "S" shaped. (tbi back to air box,
> then
> runs forward to the grille) It is definately coming from the tbi, cause I
> have
> run the truck without any hoses (only for a minute) and the whistle is
> there. I
> think this is just one of those annoying things I will have to get used
> to.
> --
> Chris B
> '85 XLT
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=134
>
>
> "Giddens, Scott" wrote:
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > What you installed is the K&N FIPK (Filter Injection Performance Kit)
> The
> > FilterCharger is just a replacement for the air filter using the same
> > plenum.
> >
> > I don't hear a whistle on my installation with a 5.8L, just a lot of
> rushing
> > air. (maybe your hearing is higher than mine) You seem to have the dual
> > throttle body so there is no restriction there, it could be a vacuum
> leak,
> > or maybe that is just the way it sounds on your Bronc. Is the sound
> kinda
> > like a turbo noise or is it more like a whistle a person would make?
> >
> > Try running it with the FIPK removed a little at a time. If it makes
> that
> > noise with every thing removed then it was just being covered up by the
> > filter box assembly and it was there before you started. Could be an
> > existing problem before you put the FIPK or that is just the way it
> sounds.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > > The only problem with
> > > the filtercharger is that you can really hear the whistle coming from
> > > the TBI (2000-2500 rpm). Haven't quite figured out a solution to this
> > > yet..........the stereo seems to cover it up most of the time. Has
> > > anybody had this problem, and ahve they figured out how to stop the
> > > whistling.
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>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:01:00 -0700
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - K & N filtercharger

Chris,

I got to thinking and I wonder if you could mount the FIPK directly to the
TBI on the older models?

Or with a short little stiff tube?

Scott
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:27:48 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - K & N filtercharger

Giddens, Scott wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> I got to thinking and I wonder if you could mount the FIPK directly to the
> TBI on the older models?
>
> Or with a short little stiff tube?
>
> Scott
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This works at the track for a little more breathing up top. But for
daily driving it gets alot of heat off the intake and exhaust and really
does not benefit probably hurts performance, plus in makes alot of noise
that way!
Chris
94 Lightning#381
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:47:04 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - K & N filtercharger

At 10:56 AM 1/19/99 , you wrote:
>Chris,
>
>Does your TBI point towards the fender?


Are you guys really runnign Throttle Body Injection, or are you talking
about the Throttle body on multi port ? The monster picture someone has up
of their system looks similar to my sister's multiport, but being an 85 it
doesn't have to be ...

Also the whistle does sound like a leak somewhere. I know I pulled the
silencer off of my 'stang and it seems to be throatier, but no whistle ...
no K&N FIPK either though ...

I would look closely for places like open holes to suck additional air into
... or clamps that may be on crooked opening up new holes. Just seems like
there shouldn't be any whistle ... though only at certain RPM's could
indicate a harmonic with some piece in there ...

Bill
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:07:41 -0800
From: Chris Bradley
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - K & N filtercharger

Bill,
It is multi-port injection, and the TBI referred to is on the front of the
intake plenum.
- --
Chris B
'85 XLT
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=134



William S Hart wrote:

> At 10:56 AM 1/19/99 , you wrote:
> >Chris,
> >
> >Does your TBI point towards the fender?
>
> Are you guys really runnign Throttle Body Injection, or are you talking
> about the Throttle body on multi port ? The monster picture someone has up
> of their system looks similar to my sister's multiport, but being an 85 it
> doesn't have to be ...
>
> Also the whistle does sound like a leak somewhere. I know I pulled the
> silencer off of my 'stang and it seems to be throatier, but no whistle ...
> no K&N FIPK either though ...
>
> I would look closely for places like open holes to suck additional air into
> ... or clamps that may be on crooked opening up new holes. Just seems like
> there shouldn't be any whistle ... though only at certain RPM's could
> indicate a harmonic with some piece in there ...
>
> Bill
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 22:14:19 -0800
From: Chris Bradley
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - K & N filtercharger

My TBI points off on a 45 degree angle, and the hose runs almost straight to the
FIPK. I looked at putting a filter right on the TBI........not enough room for a
filter.
- --
Chris B
'85 XLT
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=134



"Giddens, Scott" wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Does your TBI point towards the fender? From the description you give, it
> sounds like it. Mine points forward, that could be the reason yours is
> whistling. My guess is your manifold is the same as mine except the throttle
> body is rotated 90 degrees to the mounting surface. I believe that is true
> from what I remember seeing in my manual for the older FI's. Some TBI's
> where mid-mounted on the intake but I believe that year they were mounted at
> the end where mine is but for some reason they where rotated, possibly to
> avoid bending the air inlet hose too much, thus causing turbulent air
> (whistle) at or just after the TBI.
>
> If true, I suppose you could eliminate it by adapting a newer TBI, like
> mine, but I'm not sure how close the intake manifolds are or if there is
> just an adapter that rotates the TBI.
>
> I wonder if Ford later realized it is better to bend the inlet air hose than
> to rotate the TBI from the straight direction of air flow after mixing fuel
> in it.
>
> Scott
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Bradley [SMTP:chrisb direct.ca]
> > Sent: Monday, January 18, 1999 8:22 PM
> > To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: Re: FTE Perf - K & N filtercharger
> >
> > Scott,
> > This is not a new whistle. It is like a whistle a person would make.
> > The
> > reason I can hear it more with the FIPK, is that the air intake hose is
> > almost
> > straight. The stock set up is almost an "S" shaped. (tbi back to air box,
> > then
> > runs forward to the grille) It is definately coming from the tbi, cause I
> > have
> > run the truck without any hoses (only for a minute) and the whistle is
> > there. I
> > think this is just one of those annoying things I will have to get used
> > to.
> > --
> > Chris B
> > '85 XLT
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=134
> >
> >
> > "Giddens, Scott" wrote:
> >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > What you installed is the K&N FIPK (Filter Injection Performance Kit)
> > The
> > > FilterCharger is just a replacement for the air filter using the same
> > > plenum.
> > >
> > > I don't hear a whistle on my installation with a 5.8L, just a lot of
> > rushing
> > > air. (maybe your hearing is higher than mine) You seem to have the dual
> > > throttle body so there is no restriction there, it could be a vacuum
> > leak,
> > > or maybe that is just the way it sounds on your Bronc. Is the sound
> > kinda
> > > like a turbo noise or is it more like a whistle a person would make?
> > >
> > > Try running it with the FIPK removed a little at a time. If it makes
> > that
> > > noise with every thing removed then it was just being covered up by the
> > > filter box assembly and it was there before you started. Could be an
> > > existing problem before you put the FIPK or that is just the way it
> > sounds.
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > > > The only problem with
> > > > the filtercharger is that you can really hear the whistle coming from
> > > > the TBI (2000-2500 rpm). Haven't quite figured out a solution to this
> > > > yet..........the stereo seems to cover it up most of the time. Has
> > > > anybody had this problem, and ahve they figured out how to stop the
> > > > whistling.
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> >
> >
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