perf-list-digest Friday, May 21 1999 Volume 02 : Number 121



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - oil filter study
Re: FTE Perf - oil filter study
FTE Perf - Cool things you learn ...
FTE Perf - Differential Saga
FTE Perf - WIRING DIAGRAMS??
FTE Perf - The Cost of a new 390/Best Differential
Re: FTE Perf - The Cost of a new 390/Best Differential
FTE Perf - 94 Explorer 4x4 suspension
Re: FTE Perf - 94 Explorer 4x4 suspension
FTE Perf -Synthetics
Re: FTE Perf - 94 Explorer 4x4 suspension
Re: FTE Perf - Why would you lower a 4x4?...hmmm
Re: FTE Perf - WIRING DIAGRAMS??
Re: FTE Perf - HELP! Speaking of BANG! :-(

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:11:39 -0500
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE Perf - oil filter study

some of you had problems with the address for the oil filter study report
tried it again this a.m. and it worked fine ??????????????


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/minimopar/oilfilterstudy.html

or try

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://minimopar.simplenet.com/oilfilterstudy.html

can't imagine the problem...worked fine for me ???


john


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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:58:20 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter study

>some of you had problems with the address for the oil filter study report
>tried it again this a.m. and it worked fine ??????????????
>
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/minimopar/oilfilterstudy.html
>
>or try
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://minimopar.simplenet.com/oilfilterstudy.html
>


If you are having problems getting it that way, there is a link to it
through my links page at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:16:07 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE Perf - Cool things you learn ...

Here's a neat story I thought you might all enjoy (yes, its true):

Yesterday I was wearing my FTE T-shirt, and getting a lot of guff from
people asking why the trucks were red (as did I when the original design
was posted). So when one of the guys who likes to joke a lot said "hey" I
just turned and said they're red because the anniversary models are. He
blinked and said
"See that old truck on the shirt ? What would one of those be worth in
mint condition ?"
*shrug* "I don't really know"
"Sitting on original tires ... everything on its original, been to ohio and
back once, other than that very low mileage"
"You're talking about a real truck aren't you?!!?!"
"Yeah, my mom-in-law has one sitting in her garage that she doesn't know
what to do with, the thing is immaculate, I seem to remember it being a
very dark blue, but it may actually be black."
"Wow," was all I could muster.

We went on discussing it a little bit. The thing is in a garage 5 miles
from my house! I mentioned it to my g.f. just as a conversation piece, she
said "Well your truck is running now, so you'll need something to tinker
with" (*SHOCK*) .... also mentioned it to Dad "When are you going to go
look at it ? I definitely think its worth looking into" was his comment
... so now I gotta know, what would a fair price be ? I'm guessing its a 6
with a 3 on the tree and no options, but still, low mileage original!

Thought that was a neat story, proving they're still out there....

As an interesting side note on the 390, plugged a vacuum leak this morning
and it fixed all the low end problems I was having ( I suspected it was
that and remembered just before I fell asleep last night where I'd left a
plug off ) Also decided to get out and listen to the truck while it high
idled in the parking lot ... imagine how a stock 69 390GT or 428 Mustang
would sound that's how this sounds right now :) Stock manifolds to true
duals with super turbos on the exhaust side. If you listen closely you can
tell there's a bit heavier cam than either of those cars would have, but
that just makes it sound that much better :) I've got about 100 miles on
it now, so I was going to change the oil tonight ... can I set the idle
back down and tune it right now, or should I wait another bunch of miles ?
I just took it and drove around for a while last night, highway mostly, up
and down hills (not much choice in that), just drivin around listening to
the sweet sound of my truck running again :)


Thanks,
wish
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96 Mustang GT
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:31:38 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Differential Saga

Well hello folks,

Thought Id pass on a lil info Ive learned over the past few days.
First of all when a shop says "It'll be out Tuesday," dont even call till
late wednesday. And then be ready for them to still not be done. Poor
Tweety has been in the shop since last Tuesday waiting on a new gearset.
Seems the howling I was hearing was the bearings and the gears fighting over
who could sing loudest. This is my 2nd bit of advice, If you cant remember
when the last time you changed your Diff oil, do it now! Especially if you
happen to own a one ton. Dana 70 parts are definately NOT cheap. When I
pick up Tweety today, the bill will be right around $1000. This is going to
cover the new gears, bearings, seals, a new carrier bearing, and repair of
the rear drive shaft.
Having this work done has provided me with a lil bit more info that
Id like to share. For those of you that weren't following the mileage thread
a while ago, I reported that my 74 F-350 w 460 was getting 10.1 mpg, after
installing my Jacobs. I have since found out that I was doing this with 4.56
gears! This impressed the wazoo outta me, especially considering I averaged
80 during the test, and with those gears I was turning about 4000 RPMs. This
also means those mornings I was tearing down the freeway at 100 was not doin
my engine ANY favors. Thats a testament to a 460 right there folks! Any how
Ive geared up to a 4.11, hopefully my mileage will creep into the 11s, and I
hope not to sacrifice too much oomph. I'm pretty sure Im gonna loose the
abilty to do a 2nd gear burnout though, that was cool!

Wow looks like I was ramblin again, se ya folks!

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 02:41:06 -0400
From: luke wells
Subject: FTE Perf - WIRING DIAGRAMS??

Does anyone know if there are any online sites with wiring diagrams for
eec? Or what source should I use? I was going to put a 2.3Turbo in my
ranger from a Mustang or Tbird but the wiring is the only thing stopping
me due to deletions and additions of wires in both computers. Thanks

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:52:00 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE Perf - The Cost of a new 390/Best Differential

The machine shop just called me and told me the cost of my new 390 for
my red 69 F250 was at $2,100 for parts and labor so far (I'm assembling),
which didn't include state tax or a new flexplate. I've still got to get a
new air filter assembly with a K&N filter, and the radiator was $300. This
project is getting way out of control!

Would it be a bad idea to put a (brand new) Detroit Locker ($495.00) in
this truck? Can somebody define the differences between Traction Lock, Power
Lock, Detroit Lock, and Posi? What would be the best rear differential for
this truck, and where can I get it?

According to the Chilton manual for the 65-86 F series, my green 69 F250
has a Dana #70 2 piece case which I like very much because it spins both
tires aggressively and doesn't chatter (friction modifier) in the turns. I
just bought a differential from a scrapyard which looks like the Dana #61 -
2 pinion with limited slip (according to chilton). How does it compare to
the 2 piece case, and other types of differentials?

Any knowledge or web links you can share about rear differentials would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks


Danger
danger csolutions.net



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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:21:57 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - The Cost of a new 390/Best Differential

> The machine shop just called me and told me the cost of my new 390 for
>my red 69 F250 was at $2,100 for parts and labor so far (I'm assembling),
>which didn't include state tax or a new flexplate. I've still got to get a
>new air filter assembly with a K&N filter, and the radiator was $300. This
>project is getting way out of control!
>
Hmmm...with the head work done on mine and such, I came out just a shade
under that, but that included tax and a flexplate (flywheel in this part of
the country :) but not the air filter assembly with the K&N, hopefully
I'll pick that up tonight or tomorrow :) The radiator was about that, but
that was slightly before the motor was done ... and now its keepin my fresh
new 390 nice and cool ... not as cool as I'd like, but the motor is still
very tight ...

> Would it be a bad idea to put a (brand new) Detroit Locker ($495.00) in
>this truck? Can somebody define the differences between Traction Lock, Power
>Lock, Detroit Lock, and Posi? What would be the best rear differential for
>this truck, and where can I get it?
>
Traction Lock is Ford's name for what GM calls Posi, its a series of
clutches that slide and try to keep both wheels turning at the same speed,
if they get too much differential in their speeds they will slip just like
an open rear spinning only one tire, but usually they are adequate for
street purposes, if a little squirrely on the track (not a big deal for
most trucks :)

Detroit Lockers acutally use gears and "lock" the wheels together when the
power is applied, at least that's how its been described. I've never
actually torn one apart, but the way I understand it is that if you have
the power off in a corner it will let the wheels turn at different speeds,
but if you step on it, it will spin them at the same speed, causing the
back end to do some funky stuff sometimes ... again, most guys, not all,
but probably most, don't do a lot of power on corners, so they won't notice
the difference often (exception may be stoplight turns, or if you're in a
hurry), these will usually clunk and click and chirp the inside tire on
tight turns, but are virtually indestructable from what I've heard. yes
people break them, but only with LOTS of power all the time ... they also
don't have clutches to wear like the posi and trak lok ... as for the
others you mentioned, I don't really know anything about those, and I've
already said more than I know about the others ....

> According to the Chilton manual for the 65-86 F series, my green 69 F250
>has a Dana #70 2 piece case which I like very much because it spins both
>tires aggressively and doesn't chatter (friction modifier) in the turns. I
>just bought a differential from a scrapyard which looks like the Dana #61 -
>2 pinion with limited slip (according to chilton). How does it compare to
>the 2 piece case, and other types of differentials?
>

Oh sure, you can spin both tires ... I can too, too bad its one front and
one back :)

Good luck with the changeover, lettuce know what happens ...

Just my 2cents

wish

Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html
'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:52:05 -0700
From: "Aaron Collier"
Subject: FTE Perf - 94 Explorer 4x4 suspension

I would like to put a better suspension in my 94 explorer. Not for a
lift, but for better handling. What can anyone recommend? And were
should I start looking?

Also, I read were you can't lower a 4x4. Is this correct and will it
affect my ability to get a "sport" suspention?

Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:58:30 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 94 Explorer 4x4 suspension

>I would like to put a better suspension in my 94 explorer. Not for a
>lift, but for better handling. What can anyone recommend? And were
>should I start looking?
>
>Also, I read were you can't lower a 4x4. Is this correct and will it
>affect my ability to get a "sport" suspention?
>
It could be bad to lower it too far, you would make things operate a little
off, and could introduce rubbing and all sorts of neat things, but if you
are careful I think you can. Steve Saleen (of Saleen Mustang fame), made a
Saleen explorer for a couple of years, and is still making them I think ...
that might be a good place to start if you are looking for handling. Be
prepared for some pricey stuff though, his stuff is pretty good from what I
hear, but he charges for it too.

Saleen can be found at www.saleen.com, though the page is sporadically
updated you should be able to find info on ordering a catalog.

You might also be able to find stuff at www.seanhylandmotorsports.com or
www.steeda.com they deal with stangs and trucks, and may have some
explorer stuff too ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:52:12 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: FTE Perf -Synthetics

I want to change the fluids in my manual Trans and diffs to synthetics.
which ones are best and what weights should I use ?

F150 4sp ,8.8, TTB
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:39:56 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 94 Explorer 4x4 suspension

In a message dated 5/20/99 2:52:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
collier.aaron ssd.loral.com writes:


affect my ability to get a "sport" suspention? >>

Can I ask why youd want to do this? Seems to be itd be cheaper for you to
get a 2wd explorer, and play with that. Also, they were right, Its about
impossible to lower a truck with TTB.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:41:53 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Why would you lower a 4x4?...hmmm

Yes, why would a fellow want to lower a 4x4? WELLL, I wanted to figure out
a way to lower a SuperDuty so that it would be easier for me to get into it
without having to climb to get in...I have a rare muscle disease....but
generally most folks want them to set them up high for ground clearance on
the body and frame
on the ground with the wheels> I've often wondered
the Monster trucks whose wheels are gargantuan> why guys get all fired up to
raise that puppy in the air other than perhaps tire clearance. I know now I
can get the Superduty without the 4x4 lift in it, but the front axle will
still be slightly higher as a result. So I'm still doing research, if I
don't succumb to the small truck syndrome and buy a Ranger 4x4 instead.

C.K.

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:25:55 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - WIRING DIAGRAMS??

luke wells wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if there are any online sites with wiring diagrams for eec?

Not to my knowledge, but hopefully someone else knows of one.

> Or what source should I use? I was going to put a 2.3Turbo in my
> ranger from a Mustang or Tbird but the wiring is the only thing stopping
> me due to deletions and additions of wires in both computers. Thanks

If you dont find a better source let me know the years/models of the
original and the donor vehicles and I can try to fax you copies from
AllData CDs or (if pre-92) Mitchell manuals.

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC
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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:41:55 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - HELP! Speaking of BANG! :-(

Tim Turner wrote:
>
> William S Hart wrote:
> >
>
> > the dizzy in right this time .... vrrroooommm..... :)
> >
>
> Nothing like that satisfying sound of a major job starting up and
> purring is there? One of the reasons I still turn a wrench for a
> living. (Of course a loud *BANG* at start up is enough to ruin your
> whole week!)
>
> Tim


Or the rap, rap, rap, clank, CLANK, *CLANK*, BANG! followed by silence
and no motion my LTD exhibited today on the way home. It was supposed
to be my wheels while I rebuilt the B-II's 2.8 but I guess I'll be
putting in a new timing chain on the 'parts car' engine and swapping it....

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