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In this issue:

RE: FTE Perf - Engine Rebuild
FTE Perf - HELP!
RE: FTE Perf - HELP!
RE: FTE Perf - HELP!
FTE Perf - oil filter study
FTE Perf - vin search
RE: FTE Perf - oil filter study
Re: FTE Perf - oil filter study
Re: FTE Perf - vin search
Re: FTE Perf - vin search
Re: FTE Perf - oil filter study
FTE Perf - HELP!
Re: FTE Perf - HELP!
Re: FTE Perf - oil filter study
Re: FTE Perf - pcv related
Re: FTE Perf - oil filter study
Re: FTE Perf - oil filter study
Re: FTE Perf - HELP!
FTE Perf - K&N Filters
Re: FTE Perf - K&N Filters
Re: FTE Perf - HELP!
Re: FTE Perf - K&N Filters
Re: FTE Perf - vin search

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:05:50 -0500
From: "Baldwin, Dave (CPCP Design)"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Engine Rebuild

Just a tip you might want to keep in mind: Ford redesigned the 5.0L head for
Explorer applications to improve torque. The head is the GT40P, and is
available fairly cheap (I think around $300 a set with valve gear). Only
thing is that the spark plug locations and exhaust ports are different, so
they may not match up with your existing headers. I don't know if anyone
makes a header to support this.

Good luck.

Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Thornton [mailto:wrenchman sprintmail.com]
> I'm about to replace my tired 5.0 in my 93 F150 with a
> refreshed one in
> a couple of weeks and have a few questions for you engine gurus. So
> far I have put under drive pulleys, shorty headers, and flowmaster cat
> back system on. I will be purchasing a short block complete
> with stock
> cam and roller lifters. I will be doing the heads myself and
> want a few
> ideas :
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 10:56:41 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE Perf - HELP!

Okay, I don't know if I'm not being patient enough, but this is important.
Got my 390 fired up (cheer!), but the oil pressure didn't come up !!! I
shut it down after 30seconds MAX! and pulled the distributor to be sure
that the oil pump was engaged, and I have the right sized socket to spin
it, so I started spinning the pump ... spun easy ... hooked up a cordless
drill that through some miracle started charging itself a couple weeks
ago.... spun the oil pump a bit with that ... suddenly drill stops and
starts making funny noises ... so I shut it down and try to turn the pump
by hand ... bonus, its pulling oil now, so I crank it by hand a few times
and hear some oil squirting ... so I spun it a few more times, checked the
book by christ and it says it should build some pressure just by crankin,
so I put the dist in and crank it a few times, nothing ... tried a combo
of this for a few minutes (10 or 15, didn't have a watch on)

So now what ?

I checked the gauge ... its good. I'm about 90% sure that the oil pump is
engaging the dist. (can't make the shaft any longer than it is ...)

Am I just not being patient enough, or do I really have a problem ? what
do I do next ? I don't want to ruin this motor before I even get it broke in!

Oh yeah, and even with that cam, it was runnin smoooooooth for the short
time it was running.


Thanks,
wish
73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
96 Mustang GT
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 12:35:35 -0400
From: TracyJones Cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - HELP!

> ----------
> From: William S Hart[SMTP:wish iastate.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 11:56 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Cc: perf-list ford-trucks.com; draco pacifier.com; bdijxs AOL.COM;
> tony pscico.com
> Subject: FTE Perf - HELP!
snip
> hooked up a cordless
> drill that through some miracle started charging itself a couple weeks
> ago.... spun the oil pump a bit with that ... suddenly drill stops and
> starts making funny noises ...
snip
> Thanks,
> wish
>
Which direction were you spinning the oil pump shaft, clockwise or
counterclokwise?

Tracy

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:00:43 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - HELP!

What i do, is take the drill and spin the pump, and have someone check the
gauge during this time, preoiling.

I found that for the last one i did i needed a 1/2 drill, my 3/8 makita
wasn't strong enough to spin it very fast, though it did show a little
pressure at the gauge.

If it was me, i'd preoil it for a while, then toss the dizzy in and start
her up and see if you got pressure then. if no pressure in a normal amount
of time, a couple seconds, then shut her down.

sleddog

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From: William S Hart[SMTP:wish iastate.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 11:56 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
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tony pscico.com
Subject: FTE Perf - HELP!

Okay, I don't know if I'm not being patient enough, but this is important.
Got my 390 fired up (cheer!), but the oil pressure didn't come up !!! I
shut it down after 30seconds MAX! and pulled the distributor to be sure
that the oil pump was engaged, and I have the right sized socket to spin
it, so I started spinning the pump ... spun easy ... hooked up a cordless
drill that through some miracle started charging itself a couple weeks
ago.... spun the oil pump a bit with that ... suddenly drill stops and
starts making funny noises ... so I shut it down and try to turn the pump
by hand ... bonus, its pulling oil now, so I crank it by hand a few times
and hear some oil squirting ... so I spun it a few more times, checked the
book by christ and it says it should build some pressure just by crankin,
so I put the dist in and crank it a few times, nothing ... tried a combo
of this for a few minutes (10 or 15, didn't have a watch on)

So now what ?

I checked the gauge ... its good. I'm about 90% sure that the oil pump is
engaging the dist. (can't make the shaft any longer than it is ...)

Am I just not being patient enough, or do I really have a problem ? what
do I do next ? I don't want to ruin this motor before I even get it broke
in!

Oh yeah, and even with that cam, it was runnin smoooooooth for the short
time it was running.


Thanks,
wish
73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
96 Mustang GT
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:03:06 -0500
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE Perf - oil filter study

some of you might be aware of this, it was forwarded to me by a friend
good 'take it apart and look in it' type critique of major oil filters and
the results
it might surprise you somewhat

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/minimopars/oilfilterstudy.html

interesting reading anyway

john


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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 19:59:52 GMT
From: "Joe Swinko"
Subject: FTE Perf - vin search

Does anybody know where I can find out if my trucks vin is clean?
as in not stolen by(or from) previous owners. Just to make sure before I
start too much work!


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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:08:40 -0500
From: "Baldwin, Dave (CPCP Design)"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - oil filter study

Tried looking at this and the response is:

Member Page Not Found

Please correct address and repost, John.

Thanks,
Dave Baldwin
Dallas, TX

> -----Original Message-----
> From: jniolon uss.com [mailto:jniolon uss.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 2:03 PM
> To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com; perf-list ford-trucks.com;
> 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Perf - oil filter study
>
>
>
>
> some of you might be aware of this, it was forwarded to me by a friend
> good 'take it apart and look in it' type critique of major
> oil filters and
> the results
> it might surprise you somewhat
>
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/minimopars/oilfilterstudy.html

interesting reading anyway

john


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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 13:41:26 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter study

Try this link...it's faster & updated. Good article:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://minimopar.simplenet.com/oilfilterstudy.html

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Baldwin, Dave (CPCP Design)
To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 1:13 PM
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - oil filter study


>Tried looking at this and the response is:
>
> Member Page Not Found
>
>Please correct address and repost, John.
>



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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:54:17 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - vin search

> Does anybody know where I can find out if my trucks vin is clean?
> as in not stolen by(or from) previous owners. Just to make sure before I
> start too much work!
>
..............

Here in Utah, we have what is called the "Division of Motor Vichicles"
(DMV). This is where you go to register vehicles of all types. I called them
and had an inspector come to my house (truck was not drivable) to find the
vin #s on the truck, and then check to see if it was stolen (no charge).

I just told them I bought a truck without a title and can't find the Vin
numbers, and wanted to know if it was stolen.


Danger
danger csolutions.net



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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 14:47:47 -0700
From: "Aaron Collier"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - vin search

Try this web site.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/carfax/frameset.htm

Danger wrote:
>
> > Does anybody know where I can find out if my trucks vin is clean?
> > as in not stolen by(or from) previous owners. Just to make sure before I
> > start too much work!
> >
> ..............
>
> Here in Utah, we have what is called the "Division of Motor Vichicles"
> (DMV). This is where you go to register vehicles of all types. I called them
> and had an inspector come to my house (truck was not drivable) to find the
> vin #s on the truck, and then check to see if it was stolen (no charge).
>
> I just told them I bought a truck without a title and can't find the Vin
> numbers, and wanted to know if it was stolen.
>
> Danger
> danger csolutions.net
>
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:07:32 EDT
From: FLR150 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter study

Engine Oil
Filter Study

This is the correct link.
Later
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside
and Ford Page (Page 1)

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 18:29:33 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE Perf - HELP!

I wanna thank everyone for responding so quickly. I can now say I drove
the truck into work so I could send this message! Wow, the exhaust was
more than adequate for the 360, I don't think its gonna hold the 390 very
long ... it has one heck of a rumble to it now. I've only got about 40
miles on it right now, but hopefully in a day or two I can get that number
up and get the idle and everything set back down where its supposed to be
... so far so good though ... no funny noises (well the one of the wrench
fallin off the engine when it started, I knew I'd forget that one) ... the
thing is so smooth on the highway you'd never believe its the same truck.
Down low I'm havin problems still, but I think if I take the time to well
time it and everything it will be runnin like a scalded ape in no time.
Funny though, it somehow seems slower after driving my Mustang for a couple
of months ... Anyway I just wanted to send out a big THANK YOU to everyone
on the lists who has helped me out, I wouldn't have had any confidence in
the build if it hadn't been for you guys.

The oiling problem was just a matter of patience, got a real drill and the
right bit for it, and after a minute or so you could hear the oil movin
around in there, put the dizzy back in, try and start it ... nothin ... put
the dizzy in right this time .... vrrroooommm..... :)

Thanks again, see ya'll out there!


Thanks,
wish
73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
96 Mustang GT
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:26:13 -0700
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - HELP!

I'm not familiar with the FEs but on the 385 series and other engines
I've always primed oil pumps using an electric drill and home-made
extension to engage the pump, before firing it up. I usually run the
drill until somebody sitting in the rig can see pressure on the gauge.
It takes awhile for the drill method to get oil to the gauge.

George Miller

William S Hart wrote:
>
> Okay, I don't know if I'm not being patient enough, but this is important.
> Got my 390 fired up (cheer!), but the oil pressure didn't come up !!! I
> shut it down after 30seconds MAX! and pulled the distributor to be sure
> that the oil pump was engaged, and I have the right sized socket to spin
> it, so I started spinning the pump ... spun easy ... hooked up a cordless
> drill that through some miracle started charging itself a couple weeks
> ago.... spun the oil pump a bit with that ... suddenly drill stops and
> starts making funny noises ... so I shut it down and try to turn the pump
> by hand ... bonus, its pulling oil now, so I crank it by hand a few times
> and hear some oil squirting ... so I spun it a few more times, checked the
> book by christ and it says it should build some pressure just by crankin,
> so I put the dist in and crank it a few times, nothing ... tried a combo
> of this for a few minutes (10 or 15, didn't have a watch on)
>
> So now what ?
>
> I checked the gauge ... its good. I'm about 90% sure that the oil pump is
> engaging the dist. (can't make the shaft any longer than it is ...)
>
> Am I just not being patient enough, or do I really have a problem ? what
> do I do next ? I don't want to ruin this motor before I even get it broke in!
>
> Oh yeah, and even with that cam, it was runnin smoooooooth for the short
> time it was running.
>
> Thanks,
> wish
> 73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
> 96 Mustang GT
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html
>
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:31:52 -0700
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter study

That page has been removed. If you know another way in,I'd sure like to
read the comparison.

George Miller

jniolon uss.com wrote:
>
> some of you might be aware of this, it was forwarded to me by a friend
> good 'take it apart and look in it' type critique of major oil filters and
> the results
> it might surprise you somewhat
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/minimopars/oilfilterstudy.html
>
> interesting reading anyway
>
> john
>
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:54:13 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - pcv related

Justin Farcas wrote:
>
> I own a 79 F150 4x4 with a 3sp auto and I just recently bought a 460 ci long
> block from Autozone to replace the original, and ever since
> I've had it, I've noticed that it burns oil. About 1-2 quarts every 2
> weeks.

Busiest guy I heard of around here was the 'Warranty engine puller' for
a mass marketer.. (The one you mention as I recall but not sure so I
dont want to say it *was*.) So far at the shop we've had good results
with NAPA's long blocks; seen an isolated problem with JASPER, but it
was handled professionally so I'm still OK with them. I'm saving my
pennies for a new 2.8 in my B-II but it'll be from a company I know I
can trust. Warranties are great but I dont want to do the job twice!
(or more..) I'd rebuild it myself with machining done at the local
speed shop but it always seems to cost twice as much and there's no
warranty on my work so I'm going to gamble this time around and go with
a reman...

Hope you find a better solution to your problem but I've seen too many
problems with 'inexpensive' parts.

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC USA
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 17:49:04 -0700
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter study

Excellent. Makes me happy I use Motorcraft oil filters. I've heard that
Fram was one to stay away from but didn't realize it was that bad.

George Miller

Bill Beyer wrote:
>
> Try this link...it's faster & updated. Good article:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://minimopar.simplenet.com/oilfilterstudy.html
>
> "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Baldwin, Dave (CPCP Design)
> To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 1:13 PM
> Subject: RE: FTE Perf - oil filter study
>
> >Tried looking at this and the response is:
> >
> > Member Page Not Found
> >
> >Please correct address and repost, John.
> >
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:16:17 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - oil filter study

jniolon uss.com wrote:
>
> some of you might be aware of this, it was forwarded to me by a friend
> good 'take it apart and look in it' type critique of major oil filters and
> the results
> it might surprise you somewhat
>

As many Frams as I've had to massacre to get off it didn't surprise me
one bit.

Tim
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 21:20:18 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - HELP!

Sleddog wrote:
>
> What i do, is take the drill and spin the pump, and have someone check the
> gauge during this time, preoiling.
>
> I found that for the last one i did i needed a 1/2 drill, my 3/8 makita
> wasn't strong enough to spin it very fast, though it did show a little
> pressure at the gauge.
>

Yeah.. Takes a beefy drill when the engine's new! Loosen the oil
pressure sending unit and spin it up until oil spurts out of the hole.

Tim
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:02:42 -0500
From: Edward Saunders
Subject: FTE Perf - K&N Filters

I am wondering how much difference there is between an 86 302, and an 88
302, in the F-150's. I am trying to get rid of my airbox, and go with a
Generation 2 Air Filtration System. I have called Airaid and K&N
directly, and they say that the earliest setup they have for F-150's is
1988. They say they have a replacement filter that goes into the
existing box, but I don't understand what I would be saving in that
setup. I have the airbox that has 2 rubber hoses that go directly into
the Plenum. If I was to buy a system for an 88, would it work?
Thanks,
Ed Saunders

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:57:47 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - K&N Filters

Yes, the K&N Filter is warrantied for what? a million miles? It's
incredibly long lasting and will still clean your incoming air better than
normal airfilters. The filter is washable with cleaner from K&N, and then
can be re-oiled to continue filtrating your system effectively. Someone
might know their website...

If someone knows the site they might post it here.

C.K.

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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 23:15:18 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - HELP!

William S Hart wrote:
>

> the dizzy in right this time .... vrrroooommm..... :)
>

Nothing like that satisfying sound of a major job starting up and
purring is there? One of the reasons I still turn a wrench for a
living. (Of course a loud *BANG* at start up is enough to ruin your
whole week!)

Tim
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Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 20:57:17 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - K&N Filters

>
> If someone knows the site they might post it here.
>
.............

Here is the web address for K&N filters
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.knfilter.com/airfiltr.htm


Danger
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