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Re: FTE Perf - pvc
FTE Perf - Engine chips
Re: FTE Perf - Engine chips
Re: FTE Perf - Engine chips
FTE Perf - pcv related
Re: FTE Perf - pcv related
Re: FTE Perf - pcv related
Re: FTE Perf - pcv related
FTE Perf - Engine Rebuild
Re: FTE Perf - Engine Rebuild

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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 08:39:35 -0500
From: "C. K. Hartline"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - pvc

Stick with that attitude too Neil, there's no excuse for an engine to start
smoking after you pay 4 grand to have it built right. Even if Fedral Mougul
doesn't want to cover it, the guy who put it together should stand by
his work, and if their parts failed, then he needs to find another parts
manufacturer who's product are backed with some integrity, and put those
parts in your engine for free. Just My 2 Cents,

C.K.

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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 07:56:18 -0700
From: "Davies, Don"
Subject: FTE Perf - Engine chips

I am considering a computer performance chip for my '96 Bronco with a 351 -
there are two choices - Superchips and Hypertech - any suggestions as to
which is better ?
Don Davies
don.davies techgrp.com

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Re: FTE Perf - what's the small hole in 5.0L thermostat for
FTE Perf - Class action lawsuit
FTE Perf - Re: FTE 80-96 - Class action lawsuit
FTE Perf - pvc

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 08:33:38 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - what's the small hole in 5.0L thermostat for

>My Haynes manual shows a small hole in the plate of the
>thermostat & emphasizes that it must be oriented so that
>the hole is on the upper side. I bought a replacement &
>couldn't find any hole. I went ahead & put it in and every-
>thing seems to be working. So what's the small hole in the
>stock thermostat for & what am I risking?
>
As someone said its for bleeding off air in the system. What are you
risking ? Probably not much, but if you are really worried about it, you
can drill a small hole in the thermostat to simulate the one you don't
have. I had an 82 GT and never had any problems with the thermostat not
havin a hole in it....


Just my 2cents

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:41:34 EDT
From: FLR150 AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Class action lawsuit

Gang,
My buddy at Ford sent me this interoffice memorandum. Check out this
crap.....
*** Forwarding note from JRINTAM2--DRBN006 05/17/99 07:55 ***
To: Ford U.S. employees

Subject: (I) Howard v. Ford Motor Company


Tomorrow, opening statements will be made in a state court in
Oakland, California, in the class action lawsuit Howard v. Ford
Motor Company. This class action complaint is being argued on
behalf of more than three million California residents who are the
original or current owners of Ford vehicles built between 1983 and
1995 with a thick film ignition or "TFI" module mounted on the
distributor. A TFI module is an ignition system component.

The Howard suit is a relatively new kind of class action -- none of
the plaintiffs are claiming a personal injury, property damage or
economic loss. Rather, the complaint is for damages based on the
possibility that the TFI module might fail in the future.

It's very rare for a class action lawsuit to actually go to trial,
particularly one of this size. Because of this, you can expect to
read about the trial from time to time in the newspapers, or hear
about it on television or radio. For more information on our
position in the suit, please see the FCN Online website homepage at
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.fcn.ford.com.

The trial will likely last into the summer. We expect to win, and
we will keep you updated.

If you have any questions in the meantime, please contact Jim Cain
of Public Affairs via Outlook (jcain1 ford.com) or PROFS (JCAIN1).

Regards,

John Rintamaki
Vice President and General Counsel

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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:25:39 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: FTE 80-96 - Class action lawsuit

FLR150 aol.com wrote:
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> Gang,
> My buddy at Ford sent me this interoffice memorandum. Check out this
crap.....
> *** Forwarding note from JRINTAM2--DRBN006 05/17/99 07:55 ***
> To: Ford U.S. employees
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involved called "non-disclosure." Your buddy may have voilated
Ford's non-disclosure and you gave public notice that he did it.
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Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:02:07 -0700
From: Neil Johnson
Subject: FTE Perf - pvc

Hello again,

Thanks for all the info. Ok, I did the compression test, results...
(wet 167) 159 #4#8 140 (wet 145)
(wet 153) 153 #3#7 160 (wet 147)
(wet 175) 165 #2#6 153 (wet 161)
(wet 165) 165 #1#5 165 (wet 169)

You also asked about the pvc location, It was in the back left hand
corner on the carb. I just put a Holley 750 on today and this one is on the
left back corner. You also asked about how the oil looked, that was pretty
black and thick, So I changed the oil. The drivers side plugs were good
except to the #6 cylinder. It was just as wet as 1,2,&4. I checked for the
valve seals also and they were in. When I rev it up, it smokes, and keeps
on smoking for about 3 to 4 seconds after I let off. As far as I know,
that tells me that it could be the valves...right? I got rid of the build
up on the iol soaked plugs by plugging up the pvc all together, now they
are just oil soaked. I took it to the shop after work today, the guy that
built it is on that "Power Tour" and won't be back until next monday. (
That was one hell of a show ) So I guess when he gets back, that "we" might
check the intake gasket. They are trying VERY hard to walk away from my
problem. they are telling me that if a ring broke or something of that
nature, then they wouldn't warranty it, cause they can't get the money back
from Fedral Mougul. I couldn't believe my ears. I told them that I didn't
pay 4k to have a motor that fouls plugs. Anyways enough of that mess. Hope
I answered all of your questions. Thanks again your your guys time!!

Corbin
72 F-100 390

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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 10:16:34 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Engine chips

>I am considering a computer performance chip for my '96 Bronco with a 351 -
>there are two choices - Superchips and Hypertech - any suggestions as to
>which is better ?

Neither ? Actually I have heard to stay away from mass produced chips,
there are guys out there who will burn custom chips for you and can match
them to do whatever you want them to ... check the 'stang boards to get the
names of some of the good ones. I think Chris Johnson is supposed to be
pretty good, I think he's the one who hangs out on Musclestang.com.
Corral.net and Mustangworld.com will have links to places that can set you
up as well. Depending what part of the country you're in you may have a
lot of choices. To really tune things in you need to dyno tune it, but
that gets pricey quick.

Have you made any mods to the 351 ? if not then you may be able to get
away with the mass produced chips, if you have made changes (especially
little ones) you may be ahead to get a custom one....


Just my 2cents

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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 13:05:46 EDT
From: FLR150 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Engine chips

In a message dated 5/18/99 10:57:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Don.Davies TechGrp.com writes:


there are two choices - Superchips and Hypertech - any suggestions as to
which is better ?
Don Davies
don.davies techgrp.com >>


Don,
I cant truthfully say anything about the new PowerProgrammer from Hypertech,
but I can tell you about Superchips. I have been a loyal user of their
modules for about 2 years now. The module itself plugs into the SVO or
alternate access port on the back of the EECIV, therefore you don't have to
mess with the actual PROM chip inside the computer. Secondly, the warranty
they offer is second to none. Basically the offer this, 30 day money back
guaranteed if you are not satisfied (no on else offers that in the industry),
lifetime warranty against defects or failure, and continual reprogramming for
a small fee. I personally have a 94 F150 with the 5.0/AODE combo. When I did
my build up of the motor and strengthening of the trans., of course the stock
style programming didn't work anymore. I sent it back to them with a check
for $35 and the list of mods I had done. 3 days later the newly reprogrammed
chip was back to me and I couldn't be happier. If you want more info visit
their site at
Welcome to Superchips . Again, I'll
state the legal thing, I am not affiliated with this company in any way, just
a VERY satisfied customer.
Later,
Wayne Foy
'94 Flareside SC
"Hazardous Material"
Wayne's Flareside
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 20:05:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: FTE Perf - pcv related

I own a 79 F150 4x4 with a 3sp auto and I just recently bought a 460 ci long
block from Autozone to replace the original, and ever since
I've had it, I've noticed that it burns oil. About 1-2 quarts every 2
weeks. The oil has to be mixed with gas, however, because I never see
pure blue smoke, just black/blue color coming from the exhaust pipe. I
was thinking that my problem had to do with my placement of the pcv
valve. It is hooked up through a rubber hose to a large inlet vacuum in
the front of my Edelbrok Performer carb. I thought that it was supposed
to be hooked up to the intake, and near teh back of the engine. Could I
be wrong? -- The engine has about 6 or 7 thousand miles on it.

-Justin Farcas


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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:58:42 -0700
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - pcv related

If you don't have to worry about the smog nazis (was the 460 a factory
option for the F150 in '79?), get rid of the PVC line to the carb. Block
the air cleaner PVC line intake opening and go to wire mesh breather
caps on your valve covers. That'll tell you if it's the PVC taking your
oil.

Did you do the heads when you swapped short blocks? Valve seals could be
the culprit.

George Miller



Justin Farcas wrote:
>
> I own a 79 F150 4x4 with a 3sp auto and I just recently bought a 460 ci long
> block from Autozone to replace the original, and ever since
> I've had it, I've noticed that it burns oil. About 1-2 quarts every 2
> weeks. The oil has to be mixed with gas, however, because I never see
> pure blue smoke, just black/blue color coming from the exhaust pipe. I
> was thinking that my problem had to do with my placement of the pcv
> valve. It is hooked up through a rubber hose to a large inlet vacuum in
> the front of my Edelbrok Performer carb. I thought that it was supposed
> to be hooked up to the intake, and near teh back of the engine. Could I
> be wrong? -- The engine has about 6 or 7 thousand miles on it.
>
> -Justin Farcas
>
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:18:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - pcv related

Yeah, I'm assuming that the 460 was a factory option the the 150 line in
'79, I've seen more than a few original trucks with that engine in them.
Either way, I don't know about that pcv. I took off the hose leading to
the carb from the pcv, and blocked the vacuum inlet. For a little while,
there was no oil burning, but then eventually oil fumes came from the
breather on the driver's side valve cover, and it began to burn oil again.
I'm thinking that I need to use a breather on the other valve cover
too...I don't know. Any idea?

Also, no I did not do the heads, Autozone did. Heads, head gasket.

Justin Farcas

>
> If you don't have to worry about the smog nazis (was the 460 a factory
> option for the F150 in '79?), get rid of the PVC line to the carb. Block
> the air cleaner PVC line intake opening and go to wire mesh breather
> caps on your valve covers. That'll tell you if it's the PVC taking your
> oil.
>
> Did you do the heads when you swapped short blocks? Valve seals could be
> the culprit.
>
> George Miller
>
>
>
> Justin Farcas wrote:
> >
> > I own a 79 F150 4x4 with a 3sp auto and I just recently bought a 460 ci long
> > block from Autozone to replace the original, and ever since
> > I've had it, I've noticed that it burns oil. About 1-2 quarts every 2
> > weeks. The oil has to be mixed with gas, however, because I never see
> > pure blue smoke, just black/blue color coming from the exhaust pipe. I
> > was thinking that my problem had to do with my placement of the pcv
> > valve. It is hooked up through a rubber hose to a large inlet vacuum in
> > the front of my Edelbrok Performer carb. I thought that it was supposed
> > to be hooked up to the intake, and near teh back of the engine. Could I
> > be wrong? -- The engine has about 6 or 7 thousand miles on it.
> >
> > -Justin Farcas
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 18:38:07 -0700
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - pcv related

With PVC systems, it's usually all or nothing. Try it with the air
cleaner inlet blocked and mesh breathers on both valve covers.

George Miller

Justin Farcas wrote:
>
> Yeah, I'm assuming that the 460 was a factory option the the 150 line in
> '79, I've seen more than a few original trucks with that engine in them.
> Either way, I don't know about that pcv. I took off the hose leading to
> the carb from the pcv, and blocked the vacuum inlet. For a little while,
> there was no oil burning, but then eventually oil fumes came from the
> breather on the driver's side valve cover, and it began to burn oil again.
> I'm thinking that I need to use a breather on the other valve cover
> too...I don't know. Any idea?
>
> Also, no I did not do the heads, Autozone did. Heads, head gasket.
>
> Justin Farcas
>
> >
> > If you don't have to worry about the smog nazis (was the 460 a factory
> > option for the F150 in '79?), get rid of the PVC line to the carb. Block
> > the air cleaner PVC line intake opening and go to wire mesh breather
> > caps on your valve covers. That'll tell you if it's the PVC taking your
> > oil.
> >
> > Did you do the heads when you swapped short blocks? Valve seals could be
> > the culprit.
> >
> > George Miller
> >
> >
> >
> > Justin Farcas wrote:
> > >
> > > I own a 79 F150 4x4 with a 3sp auto and I just recently bought a 460 ci long
> > > block from Autozone to replace the original, and ever since
> > > I've had it, I've noticed that it burns oil. About 1-2 quarts every 2
> > > weeks. The oil has to be mixed with gas, however, because I never see
> > > pure blue smoke, just black/blue color coming from the exhaust pipe. I
> > > was thinking that my problem had to do with my placement of the pcv
> > > valve. It is hooked up through a rubber hose to a large inlet vacuum in
> > > the front of my Edelbrok Performer carb. I thought that it was supposed
> > > to be hooked up to the intake, and near teh back of the engine. Could I
> > > be wrong? -- The engine has about 6 or 7 thousand miles on it.
> > >
> > > -Justin Farcas
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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:14:15 -0100
From: John Thornton
Subject: FTE Perf - Engine Rebuild

I'm about to replace my tired 5.0 in my 93 F150 with a refreshed one in
a couple of weeks and have a few questions for you engine gurus. So
far I have put under drive pulleys, shorty headers, and flowmaster cat
back system on. I will be purchasing a short block complete with stock
cam and roller lifters. I will be doing the heads myself and want a few
ideas :
1) What can or should be done to ports ( plan on using same valves)?

2)Was thinking about replacing stamped rocker arms with roller
rocker; what is the standard ratio? Would changing ratio have much
affect? ( Mostly for friction reduction)

3) If I replace rockers should I replace push rods?

4) What can be done to upper and lower manifold?

Any input would be appreciated.


Wrenchman

93 F150 Supercab 5.0 AOD XLT

91 Aerostar( nuf said)

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Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:24:03 EDT
From: FLR150 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Engine Rebuild

Well on the questions, here is what I have done to my 94 5.0 motor, with
killer results besides.
1.I have ported out the exhaust side of the heads to match the 1 5/8" headers
I have on the truck, shorties by the way.
2.If you have the pedestal mount like i have, I replaced them with 1.6....

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