perf-list-digest Saturday, May 8 1999 Volume 02 : Number 109



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Newer Power Steering
Re: FTE Perf - Newer Power Steering
FTE Perf - 390 to replace the 302
Re: FTE Perf - Newer Power Steering
Re: FTE Perf - 390 to replace the 302
Re: FTE Perf - 390 to replace the 302
RE: FTE Perf - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?

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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 04:37:50 -0500
From: George Ramsower
Subject: FTE Perf - Newer Power Steering

About a week ago, I posed this question, to which there was no response:

Can a newer power steering gear box be retrofitted to a 78 F-150?

This is not a verbatum quote. :)

My desire is to get away from the old 200 turn, lock to lock box and
install a newer, variable ratio unit. However, I have no idea if a later
model unit can be fitted to my truck, or even if what I described is or
was ever avilable in Ford trucks.

Perhaps the lack of response indicates that this avenue has never been
explored, and I just may be the first to entertain such thoughts. But, I
feel as this most likely is not the case.

Since the newer units(if available) could be retro-fitted, this would
add to the driveability of the earlier trucks, and make life a little
easier.

Okay gang, let's see what can be done!

Meanwhile, I'll keep "White Knuckling" this thing, hoping for the best.
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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 13:04:45 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Newer Power Steering

> Can a newer power steering gear box be retrofitted to a 78 F-150?
>
Newer how ? Most of the vehicles on the road today are running some sort
of rack and pinion steering system, with quite a bit of modification it
could probably be retrofitted to your truck, but I'm sure it won't be cheap
or easy ...

> This is not a verbatum quote. :)
>
> My desire is to get away from the old 200 turn, lock to lock box and
>install a newer, variable ratio unit. However, I have no idea if a later
>model unit can be fitted to my truck, or even if what I described is or
>was ever avilable in Ford trucks.
>
if you get away from the 200 turns lock to lock, then you will also make it
harder to turn as a result. It works just like a rear end gear in that the
lower the number the harder it is to turn, but the more response per turn.
I'm not sure that Ford has offered a variable rate deal, variable assist
I'm sure, but rates are kinda hard to change. maybe someone knows if the
newer trucks are using rack and pinion or the old integrated box style now,
I haven't really been paying attention to it.
Maybe you'd be able to swap to a different ratio box as an alternative ?
I'm not positive, but I'd guess a 6cyl 1/2ton wouldn't need the same ratio
as a big block 3/4ton, so maybe swapping to the smaller unit would give you
the same effect ... you'd have to check the specs on that to be sure.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 16:24:55 -0700
From: "Vierra, William BGI SF"
Subject: FTE Perf - 390 to replace the 302

I am being offered a pretty good deal on a 390 to replace the 302 in my 51
F1. Will the 390 bolt up to a C4 or am I just asking too much of that
transmission? Also are the motor mounts even close on the two motors?

Thanks...
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Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 20:31:52 -0400
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Newer Power Steering

George Ramsower wrote:
>
> About a week ago, I posed this question, to which there was no response:

I had no 'solid' information so kept shut. ;-)

> Can a newer power steering gear box be retrofitted to a 78 F-150?

With enough $$ and time anything can be done.

> My desire is to get away from the old 200 turn, lock to lock box and
> install a newer, variable ratio unit.

Do you mean the fancy electronically controlled variable assist? If so
then you'll be adding sensors, wiring and the control unit for such.
Probably easier than swapping in an injected engine, but along the same
lines. I'm unsure if there are any mechanical only VASSs.

> Perhaps the lack of response indicates that this avenue has never been
> explored, and I just may be the first to entertain such thoughts. But, I
> feel as this most likely is not the case.

It was probably the variable part that scared people away; as someone
else suggested maybe a newer box with less turns?

>
> Since the newer units(if available) could be retro-fitted, this would
> add to the driveability of the earlier trucks, and make life a little
> easier.
>
> Okay gang, let's see what can be done!
>
> Meanwhile, I'll keep "White Knuckling" this thing, hoping for the best.

Good luck in your quest! :-)

Tim
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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 01:44:11 -0400
From: Bryan G Sheffler
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 390 to replace the 302

NO on the C4 tranny, the motor mounts I don't know, but my guess is NO.
Get a C6 for the 390 and your not likely to have a problem. Bite the
bullet and get a BIB BLOCK, you'll be glad you did!!!!!! also, in my
personal opinion, the FE motors look better than the Windsor's!!!!!

Bryan

On Fri, 7 May 1999 16:24:55 -0700 "Vierra, William BGI SF"
writes:
>I am being offered a pretty good deal on a 390 to replace the 302 in
>my 51
>F1. Will the 390 bolt up to a C4 or am I just asking too much of that
>transmission? Also are the motor mounts even close on the two motors?
>
>Thanks...
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Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 00:46:40 -0500
From: "Robert F. Davis"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 390 to replace the 302

At 04:24 PM 05/07/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I am being offered a pretty good deal on a 390 to replace the 302 in my 51
>F1. Will the 390 bolt up to a C4 or am I just asking too much of that
>transmission? Also are the motor mounts even close on the two motors?
>
>Thanks...
>
William,
The 390 won't bolt up to the C4. If you use the 390 you have a choice of a
C6 or
FMX(cast iron CruiseOmatic). Also the motor mounts ain't even close.
What's wrong with the 302 ??
If you just want a bigger engine, skip the 390 and go for a 460.
The weight is about the same.

"Beater" Bob

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Date: Sat, 8 May 1999 01:02:36 -0700
From: "Andrew Chung"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?

They took some time to take the old system off. I wanted to keep it as
intact as possible, just in case I needed to put it back on for whatever
reason. They also had a problem getting it all to fit in, so they had to
remove the rear sway bar to get the cat-back in. I thought it was a little
on the long side also, but I don't really have an experience as to how long
it took.

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Subject:RE: FTE Perf - Borla exhaust system reverberating in cabin?

At 12:38 AM 5/4/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I have a 4.0L SOHC engine. I also contacted Borla tech support on this and
>they did send me one venturie. I guess I'll have to contact the shop that
I
>got the system installed and have them weld it on. The original install
>cost me $240. 3.5 hrs 70/hr. This seems a bit expensive for me, but
they
>had already done the work and they did tell me it was time and materials.
>How long do you think it should take to weld one of these on? I don't want
>to spend too much more on this if I don't have to.

Hmmmm that is strange, it took me about 3.5 hours to do the install on
mine, but I'm not experienced, had NO power tools (good old foot on the
socket wrench), had to hand hacksaw the old one off in 2 pieces, and never
jacked the vehicle up. Anyway It shouldn't have taken them that long to do
it regardless.... It depends on where they are going to weld it, if they
are putting it in the tip it should be simple, if they are going to put it
right after the muffler they'll have to take the 2 pieces of the system
apart (no cutting, there is a clamp thing), but that'll take longer. on a
side note, my second venturi is sitting on my dresser, looks kinda neat
sitting up there :)

Jordan Dean
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