perf-list-digest Thursday, December 24 1998 Volume 01 : Number 181



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - Performance
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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - Re: S'burb vs. Expedition >
RE: FTE Perf - Re: S'burb vs. Expedition
FTE Perf - Holidays
FTE Perf - Wishing you and your families a Very Merry Christmas!
FTE Perf - Re: S'burb vs. Expedition >
FTE Perf - Re: bad tank sender
FTE Perf - Re: S'burb vs. Expedition >
Re: FTE Perf - Re: S'burb vs. Expedition

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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 10:29:18 EST
From: Goodwhsky AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: S'burb vs. Expedition >

In a message dated 12/22/98 9:20:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
manic1 bellsouth.net writes:

> Or Lincolns.. or Aspires.. The 'Cyclone' certainly proved there IS a
> market for a high performance truck, but by choice I guess Ford isnt
> interested at this time.

Really? What is the 99.5 Lightning? Supercharged 5.4l V8 (it anit a big
block, but...), 14.2 1/4 mile, top speed of 140+mph, over .8 g's on the skid
pad. Sounds pretty high performance to me! Sure the price is crazy, but it
is a sweet vehicle. Also don't forget the 93-93 Lightning's, the original,
full sized high performance trucks! I own 93 #3951 and love it!!!! It's
price wasn't out of line at the time, in 93 mine stickered for $22k+, but I
got a GREAT deal (new) and got it for $19k. And now you can find them for
$10-15k, great value in my mind, especially when a NEW escort is $13-16k.
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:06:15 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Re: S'burb vs. Expedition

ok, ok, all may be true 'cept for one thing. far as i can remember the
original full sized high performance truck was the dodge warlock/lil red
express trucks of the late 70's. at the time they where considered the
last true muscle car even with the crappy visuals of stacks and poor
graphics.

maybe they didn't handle, but...

i went for a ride in a late 80's 2wd gm a while ago. was dutifully
impressed (for a gm basher) at the all round performance ability of the
truck. haven't been in a lightning so the comparison is moot, but i have
never felt more power than a big block truck. my 77 has surprised old BB
muscle cars and new small and big block trucks and cars, with its "old"
tech of a 460.

oh, and BTW don't believe those dragstrip numbers. it is amazing how the
*truth* is rarely the same as printed reality. it is well known that even
the 427 Cobra had "adjusted numbers" printed as noone has ever been able to
reproduce them with even a completely rebuilt original car. and the ones
that were shipped with a 428 were even worse...

magazines and detroit alike both have a tendancy to give exagerrated
numbers. many times the mags get "ringers". vehicles that have been hand
built with carefully chosen production parts (kinda like blueprinting) and
then tuned by the factory's engineers for maximum performance. sometimes
the vehicle used to hype the publishers and the public are diferent from
what the actual production vehicle may be, something as simple as a
performance fuel/timing map is not easily checked, but makes a big
difference in the magazines review.

i always wanted to take the early lightening and put a twin turbo 600 cid
big block under the hood. ah yes, dreams...

sleddog



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From: Goodwhsky AOL.COM[SMTP:Goodwhsky AOL.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 10:29 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: S'burb vs. Expedition
rant ahead>>


Really? What is the 99.5 Lightning? Supercharged 5.4l V8 (it anit a big
block, but...), 14.2 1/4 mile, top speed of 140+mph, over .8 g's on the
skid
pad. Sounds pretty high performance to me! Sure the price is crazy, but
it
is a sweet vehicle. Also don't forget the 93-93 Lightning's, the original,
full sized high performance trucks! I own 93 #3951 and love it!!!! It's
price wasn't out of line at the time, in 93 mine stickered for $22k+, but I
got a GREAT deal (new) and got it for $19k. And now you can find them for
$10-15k, great value in my mind, especially when a NEW escort is $13-16k.





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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:43:15 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Holidays

I will be off the lists for the Holiday season. I will get back on the
list after that time, but I don't want a jillion messages to catch up on
while I am off work, so I'm signing off......

To all of you: Keep safe and a Very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Be back 01/04/99.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:47:27 -0500
From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault"
Subject: FTE Perf - Wishing you and your families a Very Merry Christmas!

Hi everybody.

I just wanted to take a little time and wish all of you a Very Merry
Christmas and a Happy New Year from my family and myself to you and yours.

Merry Christmas.

Your Friends

"Paul", and Lynn, and little Seven



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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 14:49:03 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: S'burb vs. Expedition >

I posted:
>> Worst of all, there are plans to equip all vehicles with a
>> Federally Mandated *transmitter* attached to your Federally Mandated
>> non-reprogrammable OBD computer which will broadcast your vehicle's
speed
>> and emissions compliance to any cop who carries a receiver.

Tim the Manic Mechanic replied:
>>First I've heard of all this! The OBD PCM *NEEDS* to be reprogrammable
>unless you really want your computer replaced every time the
>manufacturer realises the programming wasnt really quite right and
>causing drivability problems. Also I dont see adding a transmitter
>capable of carrying the data stream and codes as being justifiable in
>the price it would add to the sticker; and how would the cop's reciever
>handle 600+ vehicles in his near vicinity all transmitting to him? It'd
>be cheaper to have the cop carry a code & data scanner and retrieve the
>data (AFTER pulling you over; still not sure how well that'd fly under
>'search & seizure' rights.. but better than the aforementioned
>scenario).

You are correct about the computer needing to be reprogrammable. I
should have specified: they don't want the AFTERMARKET to be
able/permitted to reprogram it.
I read about this in a back issue of Motor Trend or some such mag and
did some further checking. Go poke around on the EPA website and see
what there is to see there. It's eye-opening. The subagency that
regulates vehicles is the Office of Mobile Sources. Here is a quote to
back up what I posted concerning onboard transmitters (note: RSD= Remote
Sensing Device) :

"RSD systems employ a freeze-frame video camera and equipment to digitize
an image of the license plate number so that it can be processed by a
computer. This allows the computer to store emissions information for
each monitored vehicle, based on the license plate number. Appropriate
authorities can then identify and contact owners of vehicles with high
RSD readings.

Methods to measure a vehicle's speed and acceleration as it passes
through the infrared beam are under development. This is important
because the operating mode (e.g. acceleration, cruise, etc.) can
significantly affect the instantaneous emission level from a vehicle.
Some types of operation during an RSD test may be cause for invalidating
a particular test.

Computerized diagnostic technologies may also play a role in future RSD
systems. Vehicle onboard diagnostic systems, capable of identifying
certain malfunctions in a vehicle's emission control system, are required
beginning with 1994 models. The malfunctions could be reported to
roadside RSD systems by a small electronic device on the vehicle called a
radio frequency transponder. Similar transponder concepts have been used
to time runners in marathons and experimental transponder systems are
being used to assess toll road fees."
Source: www.epa.gov/oms/15-remot.htm

Feasability, cost-effectiveness, and Constitutionality are all subject
to interpretation by the Government.

lordjanusz juno.com





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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 98 17:58:55 PST
From: don neomagic.com (Donald Paauw)
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: bad tank sender

>Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
>Custer Auto Repair
>Wilmington NC
>
>'85 Faded Grey B-II 2.8 manual everything except steering and a bad tank
>sender I've never bothered to replace. :-)


Me: '88 Ranger w/ bad tank sender I've never bothered to replace.

- -- Don
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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:52:25 -0800
From: George
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: S'burb vs. Expedition >

Feasability, cost-effectiveness, and Constitutionality are all subject
to interpretation by the Government.

lordjanusz juno.com

A friend who lives in the People's Republic of Kalifornia tells me
emissions snifters w/video resolution capability of targeting the license
plates of offenders are being installed on the freeway on-ramps in the
southern part of that state.
If the sampling is higher than whatever CARB standard being used at the
moment, a transmission of the plate is sent to the server, which directs it
to a software program that generates a letter to the plate owner demanding
that the vehicle be presented to a state emissions testing facility within
10 days. Or have the validity of the plate voided and placed on the central
Gestapo "MIS" program.
Next step is to be video on the front of patrol cars; allowing instant
transmission of any plate the patrol vehicle happens to be following. In
the name of protecting the environment with federal funds, the plate image
auto runs through to the central law enforcement database of criminal
offenders and non-tree huggers.
This system is intended to eventually be tied to the insurance company
databases as a measure to eliminate non-insured motorists from using the
roadways provided from tax revenues.
So; when the system reaches full implementation, you'd best be driving a
Ford with one big compliance sticker, probably a 90 day state emissions
sticker on the plate and don't sneeze.
Me? I have plans to be retired in a dirt poor mountain county that doesn't
have enough clout to get near the federal pork barrels or desire any of the
state 'revenue sharing' programs. And driving a Ford Big Block 4x4 with
about 450hp at the rear wheels, guns in the cab and a chainsaw in the bed.
Our gasoline prices should reach the European levels of taxation by then,
so it'll be a pure luxury.

George Miller


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Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:44:11 EST
From: Goodwhsky AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: S'burb vs. Expedition

In a message dated 12/23/98 1:02:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevkem epix.net
writes:

> i always wanted to take the early lightening and put a twin turbo 600 cid
> big block under the hood. ah yes, dreams...
>
> sleddog
>

No way. Than it wouldn't be a real Lightning. Why not just get a regular
F150, and add engine/Lightning suspension? Although that TT 600 CID would be
a nice motor (w/about 850hp, easily), I would hate to see the gas mileage.
Just kidding!
On the topic of 1/4 mile number, I realize a lot of them are "fixed," but the
original Lightning was posted at 15.7, I ran a 15.5 100% stock, and 15.00 with
only a couple of minor bolt-ons (should be about 14.7-14.8 now).....


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