perf-list-digest Wednesday, December 23 1998 Volume 01 : Number 180



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - No No, Wasn't me.
FTE Perf - CCCCCOLD! was: No No, Wasn't me.
FTE Perf - Shocks
FTE Perf - Detroit Locker
RE: FTE Perf - Detroit Locker
FTE Perf - valve sizes
Re: FTE Perf - Re: S'burb vs. Expedition >

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 07:19:58 -0800
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE Perf - No No, Wasn't me.

- -> Chris Samuels writes: I have no first hand knowledge of
- -> rebuilding a c-6

This is vary true. Sept I didn't write it:-)

- -> I stand corrected.
- -> Live and learn.

- -> Azie
- -> Ardmore, Al.

It is 15° outside right now!
There is snow all over everything!
Where do ya put antifreeze in a Computer?
I had ta glue a zurk fitting to it to have a place to lube it!

Muel


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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 08:04:30 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE Perf - CCCCCOLD! was: No No, Wasn't me.

Yep it's a little nippy up here in La Center also. Ya need to put some all
climate 5W-30 in 'er and she'll purr like a well tuned M block (mandatory
FTE content). Just open up the "coffee holder" on the front & give 'er a
shot o' juice!

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> From: Chris Samuel
> To: A Perf-List
> Subject: FTE Perf - No No, Wasn't me.
> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 7:19 AM
>
>
> It is 15° outside right now!
> There is snow all over everything!
> Where do ya put antifreeze in a Computer?
> I had ta glue a zurk fitting to it to have a place to lube it!
>

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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:22:43 -0800
From: Tim Mattson
Subject: FTE Perf - Shocks

Would anyone happen to know what shocks (type/model/etc.) are installed
on the F series (I have a 99 150 4x4) when the 'off road' package is
added.

Thanks...


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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 13:43:57 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Detroit Locker

Tom Ewing writes: >.My concern is how well will the existing ring and
pinion hold up to my estimated 450-500hp?

The 9" will hold uo to your 500hp.

Used Detroit lockers usually bring 50% of new price. I recommend you call
up some rear gear specialist such as "Reider Racing" in Taylor, Mi. and
talk to them. (313) 946-1330 for tech info. I don't think their area
code has changed, but there has been some new area codes introduced in the
Detroit (Taylor) area, so the area code could be different. I'm not
connected in anyway with them, but I have used their products and been
pleased.

I think they only make one (1) unit for the 9" with two different axle
splines, so the unit should bolt in and be OK provided the splines for the
axles are correct count.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 14:23:18 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Detroit Locker

just FYI,
parts i have broke on a 9" rear: (same power range you mention)
ring/pinion teeth
axle splines (31 teeth)
spider gears
3rd (small) pinion bearing and cast support
complete grenading of the case at the area the pinion support bolts in
drive shaft yoke on pinion
housing is bent a little

maybe some more, but this is OTTOMH.
this was from offraod, onraod, and truck pulling use/abuse.

sleddog

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From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com[SMTP:am14 daimlerchrysler.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 1:43 PM
To: Perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Detroit Locker

Tom Ewing writes: >.My concern is how well will the existing ring and
pinion hold up to my estimated 450-500hp?

The 9" will hold uo to your 500hp.


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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 19:42:25 -0500
From: "The Freeman Family"
Subject: FTE Perf - valve sizes

According to the '68 ford truck manual the 360 and 390 share the same valve
size.

intake 2.022-2.037
exhaust 1.551-1.566

Later,

- -Ted

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Bill writes: >>Do 360's and 390's have the same valve sizes in them ? I
never measured the 360's so I can't compare them with the 390's I've
gotten.

I've never compared them, but have been led to believe that they are the
same heads, therefore the same valves. Chiltons or such should confirm
this.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.



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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:20:26 -0500
From: Tim Turner
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: S'burb vs. Expedition >

Paul M Radecki wrote:
>

> Like maybe weld two Duratech blocks together and make a modular V-12?
> Yipes.

Works for me! :-)

> Now, where did I put that Soap Box...ah.
> Don't be too hard on the "luxury sport-ute" crowd, guys. At least
> they're buying American-made trucks instead of Saabs, Bimmers, and Lexii.

And the people that service 'em are REAL happy they're not buying those
Sobs & Bummers too.. we can actually get parts in a timely manner!

BUT.. it's still driven the price of 'fun' trucks into the astronomical
range for blue collar workers. Somehow I just cant justify paying more
for a vehicle than I did 5 years ago for my 14x80 singlewide!

> Besides, the more happy truck owners there are out there the less likely
> Congress will allow Nader, AlGore, and the greenies to further castrate
> our beloved American icons. As if the CAFE and smog-sniffer laws weren't
> intrusive enough, now they want to make trucks smaller, lighter, and
> lower so that they won't do as much damage to little cars when they
> collide.

There 'ought' to be a market for a small stipped SUV; look how many
B-II's are still on the road (my '85 included for as long as I can keep
it going)! The Kia Sportage was close, but too much of a crackerbox
WITH luxuries. Unfortunately Ford decided to bloat the Bronco family
into the Explorer & Expedition.. Hmmm.. now they talk smaller again;
should have just ADDED the less capable Explorer & Expedition to the
product line and kept the work horses.

> Also on the agenda are laws to make trucks conform to all the
> same emissions, mileage, and crashworthiness standards as cars,

Since the testing is done 'unloaded' why shouldnt the same emissions
etc. be any different from another vehicle of the same weight class? I
can see a drop in the mileage due to less aerodynamic bodies and crappy
performance due to stiffer gearing to try to recover the MPG though.

> and to
> force automakers to develop, build and sell "zero-emission" vehicles that
> nobody wants.

Well.. a 'few' people want. But every cause has it's proponents no
matter how misguided!

> Worst of all, there are plans to equip all vehicles with a
> Federally Mandated *transmitter* attached to your Federally Mandated
> non-reprogrammable OBD computer which will broadcast your vehicle's speed
> and emissions compliance to any cop who carries a receiver.

First I've heard of all this! The OBD PCM *NEEDS* to be reprogrammable
unless you really want your computer replaced every time the
manufacturer realises the programming wasnt really quite right and
causing drivability problems. Also I dont see adding a transmitter
capable of carrying the data stream and codes as being justifiable in
the price it would add to the sticker; and how would the cop's reciever
handle 600+ vehicles in his near vicinity all transmitting to him? It'd
be cheaper to have the cop carry a code & data scanner and retrieve the
data (AFTER pulling you over; still not sure how well that'd fly under
'search & seizure' rights.. but better than the aforementioned
scenario).

> Said cop can
> then TURN OFF YOUR ENGINE by REMOTE CONTROL if you are (or have ever
> been) in violation. Scary. This is your government helping you.

Feasible, but highly unlikely.. they already have 'shock strips' that
will fry your electronics when you run 'em over.

> I'm sure Ford would love to sell us the stripped, overpowered F-series
> work trucks we want, but thanks to CAFE they can only build a certain
> number of trucks per year.

Or Lincolns.. or Aspires.. The 'Cyclone' certainly proved there IS a
market for a high performance truck, but by choice I guess Ford isnt
interested at this time.

> Which customer would you choose, a rich
> yuppie who buys a new $40,000 Navigator every few years and brings it in
> to the service department every time it needs a lightbulb changed, or a
> junkyard dog like many of us who wants a basic truck he can fix all by
> himself and will keep until it resembles a rusty ball of duct tape and
> baling wire?

Personally I like in between.. does his own oil changes etc. and just
brings it to me when it's something he cant figure out or doesnt have
the tools. A point to ponder is that the number of service bays in
America is shrinking, yet the complexity of vehicles is expanding; now
factor in people tieing up bays with unprofitable work like light bulb
changing and what does that do to the labor rate? (ie: would you rather
pay a tech 10-15/Hr to do 4 headlights for a total profit of maybe
$40/Hr or pay 10-15/Hr for a diagnostic and a couple sensors with
$100-200/Hr profit? Too many unprofitable jobs require raising the
labor rate to keep the overall average profit in line..)

> Until Uncle Sam allows Ford to build and sell as many and
> whatever kinds of vehicles they choose to, we'll just have to live with
> the weenie engines and jellybean styling and hope that the supply of old
> trucks and parts doesn't dry up too fast.
>

Amen!! Hopefully there will be some more companies founded making
'repro' parts for the older trucks.. there's some goodies I could use
for mine.

> lordjanusz juno.com
> '94 refrigerator white 300ci 5-speed no cloth seats no tape deck no
> carpet no power windows no cruise control no chrome F-150 XL all-American
> Ford work truck!
>

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair
Wilmington NC

'85 Faded Grey B-II 2.8 manual everything except steering and a bad tank
sender I've never bothered to replace. :-)....

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