perf-list-digest Sunday, December 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 177



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Re: Suburban vs. Expedition
FTE Perf - Re:bill intakes and headers
FTE Perf - Re: Suburban vs. Expedition, digest #176
FTE Perf - sprag
Re: FTE Perf - Re: Suburban vs. Expedition

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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 08:35:19 -0800
From: George
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Suburban vs. Expedition

I think its lack of market demand. As Sleddog pointed out, 90% (probably
higher) of the people who purchase SUVs never take them off-road, tow
anything (even though a towing package seems to be a standard dealer
install) or do much more than use a $35k piece to do what a Toyota Corolla
can accomplish. They're into image and keep them awake nights lease
payments, not performance. I thought the Expedition I drove was an
expensive, gutless wonder. That's why I'm still driving my 460 Bronco.

George Miller

What I really can't understand is why Ford doesn't still produce a big
cube gas motor. Perhaps CAFE won't allow it, because if they did
produce such a motor everyone would buy it thereby dropping the CAFE
rating dramatically a la GM and the Sub? It seems that they are forcing
the diesel down many people's throats that would otherwise have preferred a
460.
Anyone?

Birken


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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:30:07 EST
From: NUTCH11 AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Re:bill intakes and headers

bill

i have heard on other lists that edelbrock quality is not what it used to be
and service and tech has also declined . maybe someone else would like to
comment.
as for a good 4 barrel manifold . i'm planning to use a cast iron cj
manifold ( saving 50lbs shoudln't be a big deal in a truck) . height
shouldn't mean much. plenty of clearance. most ford auto intakes should do
nicely get one with a little rise, the 65 ford one you mentioned should work
fine.
as for headers, you can get old cast iron 406 headers for around 250 at a
swap meet. and save the hassle of putting new headers on every few years.

john
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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:44:53 GMT
From: cdailey newsguy.com (Chad Dailey)
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Suburban vs. Expedition, digest #176

>Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 14:37:43 -0800
>From: Vogt Family
>Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Suburban vs. Expedition

..snip..

>What I really can't understand is why Ford doesn't still produce a big
>cube gas motor. Perhaps CAFE won't allow it, because if they did
>produce such a motor everyone would buy it thereby dropping the CAFE
>rating dramatically
>a la GM and the Sub? It seems that they are forcing the diesel down
>many people's throats that would otherwise have preferred a 460.=20
>Anyone?

I'll take a SWAG. Emissions. It's tougher to get good emissions out
of a big bore engine. Flame speed (using gasoline) just isn't high
enough to make sure everything is combusted across a large diameter
cylinder bore with an oversquare bore x stroke arrangement. What we
will probably all start seeing is more engines like the V10, higher
displacement via more cylinders, keeping the bore size small enough to
get good emissions, and keeping the displacement high enough to get
decent power.

You probably won't see much new engine development on big V-8's
anymore, I'll guess that GM will drop the 454 within the next 3-4
years in new models for the same reason.

Chad
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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 22:12:35 -0800
From: "Chris Stephens"
Subject: FTE Perf - sprag

>Concerning the 3 different types of Sprag's. I don't think he was
>indicating that there were three different versions for the c6, but that
>there were 3 different kinds in various other applications. I believe the
>C6 has but one. I am not sure of this however.

I dont realy know. Im going buy what was stated in a haynes techbook, I
have no first
hand knowledge of rebuilding a c-6 although I did use it to rebuild my c-4
first time doing
this wouldn't like to try again :-) .It seems to be saying that there are 3
versions for a c-6
does not tell which year or model they come out of. I just assumed that if
it is a common
part to fail you may be able to decide which is stronger.

Ben Franklin: "We must hang together, or we shall most assuredly hang
separately."




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Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 22:40:57 MST
From: "Gear Guru"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: Suburban vs. Expedition

You know what, I hate to admit but i think ford is starting to go soft.
=-( Sure their heavy duty pickups are still top of the line, but the
expedition cant stand up to the suburban. I have talked to my neighbor
who is a border patroll agent and he would much rather drive a C# vy
suburban than a Expedition any day, he says they are city oriented
people haulers. Dont get me wrong, I will be a die hard ford fan untill
the day i die, but Ford may have seen its better days. Look at the
mustang, hasnt been able to stand up to the camaro untill recently, but
i hear the new 4.6 in the cobra is supposed to be pretty strong. Anyway,
I too am going to miss the 460, maybe Ford will see their mistake and
bring up another big cube engine.

Just my opinion
AZ Eric
'79 Bronco Custom 4x4, takes a lickin an keeps on tickin.

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