perf-list-digest Friday, December 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 175



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - C 6
Re: FTE Perf - Suburban vs. Expedition
FTE Perf - Re: Sprag
Re: FTE Perf - Suburban vs. Expedition
Re: FTE Perf - Suburban vs. Expedition
FTE Perf - 390 buildup - intake
Re: FTE Perf - 390 buildup - intake
FTE Perf - 410 build-up-The Start
RE: FTE Perf - 410 build-up-The Start
Re: FTE Perf - 410 build-up-The Start

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:33:12 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - C 6

Sleddog writes: >>oh, anyway, it rolls on the little hill in the driveway
as long as the t-case is in N.

That pretty well isolates it, then IMHO. Just had to hope it was binding up
some place other than the C6.

Concerning the 3 different types of Sprag's. I don't think he was
indicating that there were three different versions for the c6, but that
there were 3 different kinds in various other applications. I believe the
C6 has but one. I am not sure of this however.

Good luck.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:34:13 -0500
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Suburban vs. Expedition

Genlee97 AOL.COM wrote:
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> I am in the market for one of the full-size sport utilies, out of curiosity I
> was wondering which one is faster? and what is actual gas mileage? Thanks
> alot!
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I have heard rumors of Ford producing a Suburban killer. It is suppose
to about a foot longer and V10 powered! Probably not till late next
year...or knowing ford sometime in 2000! The Expidition is a much more
sophisticated vechicle! I think the expidition wins against the 350 but
I think the 454 is still available in the tank though, might be wrong!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:39:24 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Sprag

On Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:42:55 -0500, Sleddog wrote:

> the brakes a f350 brakes in the front, and the small dia corporate 14 bolt
> in the rear. everything is set up as power brakes except one thing, no
> power. pedal acts directly on the master cylinder (this truck took a
> serious diet). so pedal effort is, shall i say, extreme!

Just a thought, since braking bias probably isn't much of a concern,
maybe you should think about putting in an old single master cylinder
from a 61-66 or thereabouts. These things, when working properly, are
pretty easy on the pedal and still effective. I'd think it might make
life a whole lot easier for you and maybe stop you from crashing into
something.

Birken
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:48:07 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Suburban vs. Expedition

In a message dated 12/17/98 8:28:41 AM MST, garrpam netgsi.com writes:

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Rumors are abounding on this one. Last I heard is it is going to be based on
the F-250. V-10 is going to be standard, with the Power Stroke being an
option. Just these engine choices tells me that they are using the Super Duty
F-250, and not the regular duty. This also tell us that the 4x4's are going
to have a live axle up front. Here that boys and girls? Ford's getting back
to the SERIOUS 4x4's again. WOO HOO!!! Makes me wish I had another 40k lying
around so I could get one.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:00:01 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Suburban vs. Expedition

>I have heard rumors of Ford producing a Suburban killer. It is suppose
>to about a foot longer and V10 powered! Probably not till late next
>year...or knowing ford sometime in 2000! The Expidition is a much more

The Excursion (woo hoo I finally remembered the name!) is supposed to be
out sometime next year as a 2000 model. It should be available with the
V10, but the 5.4 will be standard I think. Its based on the F-superduty
series of trucks, so its quite a bit heavier duty I think. You might check
www.blueovalnews.com and fordunleashed.com . There was also a snippet
about it in the Dec. Motor Trend I think, though it may have been
Car&Driver ... the one with the Cobra review in it.

>sophisticated vechicle! I think the expidition wins against the 350 but
>I think the 454 is still available in the tank though, might be wrong!

Dunno, they're both pretty powerful, but still wear the wrong emblems and
have those goofy exhaust ports ...


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:28:27 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE Perf - 390 buildup - intake

Might be a little premature here, but I was wondering something on the
intake side of things for the 390 I'm tinkerin with.

I currently have 3 different manifolds that are all possibly used, or I am
considering buying an aluminum one, here's the debate as I see it ...tell
me where I'm wrong:

1) Stock 2V - not enough to feed a healthy 390, would be good for torque,
but won't lose much if any by going to a good 4V

2) Stock 390 4V from 76 Fseries - seems pretty flat, has a ton of emissions
stuff on it that I won't use, probably not my best choice, though it won't
hurt torque, it sure won't help h.p.

3) Stock 390 4V from 65 Galaxie. This intake is currently on my 360, and
seems to be working well. It looks taller than the truck version, and it
has NO EGR stuff on it at all. Good for torque, okay for power.

4) Edelbrock aluminum - seems like these are about the only one's that are
out there, haven't seen anyone else makin too much for just street use.
Their Performer looks like its just an aluminum version of the one from the
Galaxie. Same external dimensions and all, can't think it would be much
improvement over the one I"m usin.

The Performer RPM is where my question really lies. It says its rated to
improve power and torque from 1500-4500 . Doesn't seem like its enough
different in shape/height to affect the torque down low a lot (which is
what i"m looking for, lots o grunt), and might actually help me quite a bit
at highway speeds (2500-3000), and leave plenty for passing power.

Am I looking at the right stuff ? I don't want to do anything that will
hurt low end torque, but I don't want it topped out at 70 either. I know
this can be related to gearing too, but I want to be sure this engine is
right. My girlfriend's dad has been tinkering with engines quite a bit,
and he said when you're on the low side of revs the manifold won't really
make that much difference, but if you get it so the manifold "comes in"
when you want the revving power, you'll have a great setup. Not sure what
all this means, but it seems like with that logic I could get an even
taller setup, though I'm not sure I'll need/want one.

What're you guys' thoughts on this ?

Still no luck on shortie headers ... anyone got any suggetions to try
(tried Doug Thorley, no response yet...haven't called anyone without email
or website yet though either)

Thanks guys
Bill
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:22:18 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 390 buildup - intake

Weiand also makes an intake for the FE in the idle to 6000 RPM range. When my
dad built his 410, he had to decide between the Edelbrock, or the Weiand. He
chose the Edelbrock because he figured the slightly lower RPM range made it
more suitable for his application, namely over 500ft. lb. of torque.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:57:29 -0500
From: "The Freeman Family"
Subject: FTE Perf - 410 build-up-The Start

Folks,

Just purchased a 360 engine for $30 appears to be healthy. I need to tank
and flux the block and get the heads checked.
428 Crank,balancer and flexplate for $300 (tanked and fluxed with a stock
grind and a guarantee)
and just found a lead on .030 410 Mercury pistons (new) for $55 a piece with
10:1 compression.
I havn't done anything with the heads or cam. I did just purchase a 3X2
aluminum manifold for an FE ($125). (I will probably use my 4V intake, but
who knows....)
I intend on building a torque motor and need some help with cam and valve
selection. With the valves some one told me to stick with the stock 360
intake and go with CJ exhaust. Then again I heard to use CJ intake and
exhaust in the 360 head and that would build torque. I trust the people on
this list and am curious about what your opinions are. I don't expect to do
high revs with this motor and do intend on doing some over the road trailer
pulling with it (mainly a car trailer). So let me be the sponge and soak up
some of that pent up FE knowledge you guys have.
TIA,

- -Ted




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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:58:46 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 410 build-up-The Start

for what it's worth, i think that basically all engines benefit from bigger
valves even as a "torque motor". torque means good low lift and low rpm
flow and a bigger valve makes a bigger area for flow at ALL valve lifts,
and that should mean better cylinder filling at all rpms, not just at 6000
rpm. also, part throttle power should also improve IMHO with bigger
valves. the only reason i would not choose bigger valves for any engine
build would be because of cost. one possible drawback is the reduced
turbulance of a bigger valve, but i think the flow offsets that enuff.

sleddog

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Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 8:57 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - 410 build-up-The Start

Folks,

Just purchased a 360 engine for $30 appears to be healthy. I need to tank
and flux the block and get the heads checked.
428 Crank,balancer and flexplate for $300 (tanked and fluxed with a stock
grind and a guarantee)
and just found a lead on .030 410 Mercury pistons (new) for $55 a piece
with
10:1 compression.
I havn't done anything with the heads or cam. I did just purchase a 3X2
aluminum manifold for an FE ($125). (I will probably use my 4V intake, but
who knows....)
I intend on building a torque motor and need some help with cam and valve
selection. With the valves some one told me to stick with the stock 360
intake and go with CJ exhaust. Then again I heard to use CJ intake and
exhaust in the 360 head and that would build torque. I trust the people on
this list and am curious about what your opinions are. I don't expect to
do
high revs with this motor and do intend on doing some over the road trailer
pulling with it (mainly a car trailer). So let me be the sponge and soak
up
some of that pent up FE knowledge you guys have.
TIA,

- -Ted




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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 01:00:16 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 410 build-up-The Start

When my dad did his 410, he used the 360 heads and left the valves at stock
size. I'm not sure as to what the specs are on the cam, but I do know it was
degreed 4' (adv?) to improve the low end torque. And this baby has plenty.
You can really fea; it. As far as fuel delivery goes, he has a stock Autolite
4v carb on an Edelbrock perfomer manifold. Good luck, I promise you will be
very pleased with that motor.....


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