perf-list-digest Thursday, December 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 174



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Sprag
RE: FTE Perf - C6
RE: FTE Perf - Sprag
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Products, classifieds, chat, t-shirts and more...
FTE Perf - Suburban vs. Expedition

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:40:13 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Sprag

Chris stevens writes: >>
#1 has two end bushings, a retaining cage, 16 springs and rollers and can
be
completely disassembled.

#2 has one end bushing, the retaining cage and spring assembled as a unit
and only the rollers can be disassembled.

#3 has both the end bushings, the retaining cage, springs and rollers as an
assembled unit and cannot be disassembled at all

I've never seen #3 that I remember. #1 & #2 are quite common.

Birken: I know that some sprags have coil springs rather than the funny
little accordian looking things. I was strictly speaking of the one in the
C-6 (and I'm even going from memory here and that ain't good sometimes.) I
haven't been in but about 15 or so C-6's in all my life. (They just don't
need much repair ). I think I do remember the early FOMOCO torque
converter had the same type sprag as you refer to in the powerglide. They
had a jillion or so bolts around the outer perimeter and could be repaired,
I believe. No matter, I was merely trying to identify the part of
Sleddog's tranny that I believed to be most suspect to giving that feeling
of being in two gears at once.

Sleddog: Make sure it is your tranny and not brakes or something else
causing it to feel like the brakes were on. Like disconnect the driveshaft
and run it thru the gears. Is the vehicle where you can do this??? If it
is 2wd be sure to insert a dummy yoke in the tailshaft. If it is 4X4 and
has a divorced transfer case, then it will be easy. If it is 4X4 and has a
married transfer case, then I guess neutral for the transfercase would be
appropiate. Just trying to isolate the problem to the tranny.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:32:18 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - C6

great info! does it say anything about the years or models that had those
3 types specifically? i haven't ripped it apart yet (starting a new
business while still running my old one, so time is short) but hopefully in
next 2 monthes.

sleddog

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From: Chris Stephens[SMTP:chrisstep mindspring.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 1:19 AM
To: ford truck list post
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - C6


Hi guys this is my first post so if I screw something up.....oops sorry!
Well IM not sure if it helps or not but I have a haynes book for
overhauling
c-3 through c-6 including aod and it says that there are three types of a
sprag which they call a one way clutch.

#1 has two end bushings, a retaining cage, 16 springs and rollers and can
be
completely disassembled.

#2 has one end bushing, the retaining cage and spring assembled as a unit
and only the rollers can be disassembled.

#3 has both the end bushings, the retaining cage, springs and rollers as an
assembled unit and cannot be disassembled at all.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:42:55 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Sprag

the brakes are ok, not a problem, and the problem only exists after a short
warm up period. hell, i can't slow the truck down with the brakes that are
on it when i want to! lucky it usually has a 35,000+ lb sled hooked to the
back of it to slow it down when it is at WFO.

the brakes a f350 brakes in the front, and the small dia corporate 14 bolt
in the rear. everything is set up as power brakes except one thing, no
power. pedal acts directly on the master cylinder (this truck took a
serious diet). so pedal effort is, shall i say, extreme!

oh, anyway, it rolls on the little hill in the driveway as long as the
t-case is in N.

sleddog

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From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com[SMTP:am14 daimlerchrysler.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 8:40 AM
To: Perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Sprag

No matter, I was merely trying to identify the part of
Sleddog's tranny that I believed to be most suspect to giving that feeling
of being in two gears at once.

Sleddog: Make sure it is your tranny and not brakes or something else
causing it to feel like the brakes were on. Like disconnect the driveshaft
and run it thru the gears. Is the vehicle where you can do this??? If it
is 2wd be sure to insert a dummy yoke in the tailshaft. If it is 4X4 and
has a divorced transfer case, then it will be easy. If it is 4X4 and has a
married transfer case, then I guess neutral for the transfercase would be
appropiate. Just trying to isolate the problem to the tranny.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:14:26 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Products, classifieds, chat, t-shirts and more...

Hello fellow FTEs...

I'm pleased to make a few announcements. Our products center
on the web site now accepts Visa and Mastercard with secure
and encrypted ordering. Amex will be accepted within a week.

Due to this and the fact that we've recently taken on more
web advertisers, we're increasing the scope of our free
services to the list members and web site visitors.

Classifieds
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One of the items that list members have consistantly asked for
is a new classifieds section. Yesterday we purchased a top of
the line classifieds manager. This product has tons of
features, including:
1. Auto ad expiration after 30, 45 or 60 days
2. Email notification that your ad is due to expire 7
days before it expires
3. Easy ad renewal
4. Advanced searching
5. Hide your email address! Ads have a reply feature
which hides your address yet still lets people
respond. (Goodbye spammers!)
6. Multiple ad sections.
7. Edit or delete your ad at a later date
8. Anti-ad spammer feature. Will **not** accept duplicate
submission.
9. Taboo word filtering.
10. Auto limit on number of words entered for ad
11. Auto rejection from known abusers

I have a huge list of featues, but this gives you an idea of
its features. This new classifieds script should come on-line
within a week. The old system will be maintained for 30 days
after the launch of the new system.

Chat
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As soon as sales picks up on the web site, we're purchasing
a new chat engine. We're evaluating two packages right now.

T-shirts
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Some of you may remember the t-shirt contest we had 3 months
ago. Since the vote had some cheating I discontinued it.
4 weeks ago I gave an outline to my brother-in-law who is
an artist and he was supposed to give me t-shirt artwork
within 2 weeks. Well, I once again learned that you shouldn't
do business with family. I'm taking the artwork to an artist
next week who will have it back in 1-2 days. If you entered
a design in our contest, we really appreciate it and we are
going to prove it by giving a prize pack to ***all*** the
people who entered a design. Full details on this when the
t-shirts are ready.

Club
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FTE is going to start a Ford truck club. After the first of
the year I'm presenting a plan to our core group and we
should be able to hammer out the details and hopefully have a
club by mid-January. If you've been looking for a way to have
some "hands on" involvement, a club will be just the ticket.

Adm

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:45:33 EST
From: Genlee97 AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Suburban vs. Expedition

I am in the market for one of the full-size sport utilies, out of curiosity I
was wondering which one is faster? and what is actual gas mileage? Thanks
alot!
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