perf-list-digest Tuesday, December 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 158



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Cocked piston
[none]
FTE Perf - Re: FTE 61-79 - WANTED: 460 Mounts for '79 F 150 4x4
FTE Perf - Re: FTE offroad - Gearing questions..........Among other things....
FTE Perf - RE:
RE: FTE Perf - Re: FTE offroad - Gearing questions..........Among other things....
Re: FTE Perf - Welcome Back Chris!
RE: FTE Perf - Welcome Back Chris!
FTE Perf - 429 project
RE: FTE Perf - 429 project
Re: FTE Perf - Welcome Back Chris!
Re: FTE Perf - 429 project
FTE Perf - To argue stock or not to argue.....I choose back up the TRUTH!!! :o)
Re: FTE Perf - Welcome Back Chris!

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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:26:40 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Cocked piston

Dale C writes: >>What are the odds that the cylinder wall on # 7 is still
serviceable.....without a rebore????

Not in your favor!!! You did say it was running, so there is a slight
chance, but the chances of reboring being required is much greater in my
humble opinion.!!!!!!!

Good luck with your new project.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:00:36 -0500
From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault"
Subject: [none]


Stage 1 makes a 351C/M oilpan for late model fox bodied cars,
It's in the latest Jegs catalog.



Hi Steve

1. Does Jegs have a web site? (And what is it?)
2. Is this pan a rear sump? (Very important!)


Thanks.

"Paul"


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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:28:02 EST
From: CCSSportz AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: FTE 61-79 - WANTED: 460 Mounts for '79 F 150 4x4

In a message dated 11/30/98 8:28:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, frenz.6 osu.edu
writes:


F-150 Supercab 4x4. It currently has a 351M. If you have the mounts or just
any advice in general, please let me know. Also, I assume the 4x4 mounts
are different than a 2 wheel drives'? Yes? >>

Hi ---
I saw this post and thought I would ask for some advice too. I want to do
this swap eventually in also a '79 F-150 4x4 not supercab, and it also has a
351M as of now.
What are some other mods that will have to be made to make it successful? I've
been told that a 460 was a factory option in that truck (I've read it too, so
I'm believing it).......Thus making the 460 basically just a bolt
in...............with the change of the mounts.
Will my tranny from the 351 be stout enough to deal with the 460? All I know
is that it is a 4 speed standard tranny. I'm runnin #'s this afternoon to get
it's exact model. I have a Ford 9" rearend, and a Dana 44 front axle. I was
told they are geared 3.50 or 3.50, 3.55 front to back.
I don't know what that really means so if someone can enlighten me , I'd
appreciate it.
Well, I am going to finish the rest o mt mail, then go number hunting.

- -Shawn
79 F-150 4x4, 351M - " 'ZILLA "
Cambridge, NY
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:36:14 EST
From: CCSSportz AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: FTE offroad - Gearing questions..........Among other things....

In a message dated 11/30/98 8:50:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rokkinhorse webtv.net writes:


Shawn, for 50 or 75 bucks apiece,you oughtta be able to find some good
used (if not brand new) tires that will correctly fit your truck >>

I would like you to tell me where I can find a set of 36" tires to fit on my
15" rims for that price................I've looked everywhere and have
exhausted every resource I have. Now maybe you guys can give me some
leads...........That's the best deal I've found. 50-75 bucks on a 36" Military
take off Hummer Tire with at least 50% tread or better left. Depends on how
much my buddy gets them for........cost to me is 50-75 bucks each, But that
entails that I need to get 16.5" rims to fit these tires. that 50-75 dollar
price includes mount and balance also..

- -Shawn
79 F-150 4x4, 351M - " 'ZILLA "
Cambridge, NY
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:01:48 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE Perf - RE:

yes they have a web site. www.jegs.com

sleddog

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From: Mr. Paul R. Boudreault[SMTP:pboudreault sympatico.ca]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 1998 10:00 AM
To: Perf-List-Digest (E-mail)


Stage 1 makes a 351C/M oilpan for late model fox bodied cars,
It's in the latest Jegs catalog.



Hi Steve

1. Does Jegs have a web site? (And what is it?)
2. Is this pan a rear sump? (Very important!)


Thanks.

"Paul"


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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:08:09 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Re: FTE offroad - Gearing questions..........Among other things....

around here where i live, there aer a few places that sell used tires, rims

that would be a good place to start. also many junk yards have rims for sale.

sleddog

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From: CCSSportz AOL.COM[SMTP:CCSSportz AOL.COM]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 1998 11:36 AM
To: offroad-list ford-trucks.com
Cc: perf-list ford-trucks.com; 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: FTE offroad - Gearing questions..........Among other things....

In a message dated 11/30/98 8:50:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rokkinhorse webtv.net writes:


Shawn, for 50 or 75 bucks apiece,you oughtta be able to find some good
used (if not brand new) tires that will correctly fit your truck >>

I would like you to tell me where I can find a set of 36" tires to fit on my
15" rims for that price................I've looked everywhere and have
exhausted every resource I have. Now maybe you guys can give me some
leads...........That's the best deal I've found. 50-75 bucks on a 36" Military
take off Hummer Tire with at least 50% tread or better left. Depends on how
much my buddy gets them for........cost to me is 50-75 bucks each, But that
entails that I need to get 16.5" rims to fit these tires. that 50-75 dollar
price includes mount and balance also..

- -Shawn
79 F-150 4x4, 351M - " 'ZILLA "
Cambridge, NY
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:32:37 EST
From: Genlee97 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Welcome Back Chris!

the 460 was never available that year in the trucks, Sorry!
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:08:49 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Welcome Back Chris!

i have heard both sides of this argument, and the truth still alludes me. but i can say this:
my owners manual for my 77 does list the 460 as possible engines for that year, for what ever it is worth.

sleddog

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From: Genlee97 AOL.COM[SMTP:Genlee97 AOL.COM]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 1998 4:32 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Welcome Back Chris!

the 460 was never available that year in the trucks, Sorry!
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:01:49 GMT
From: cdailey hhs.state.ne.us (Chad Dailey)
Subject: FTE Perf - 429 project

Hi all. I'm contemplating a 429 project for the winter, and I'd like
to collect some information first. I'd like to keep costs down, and
fun factor up.

Baseline requirements:

Gas mileage is not important.
This engine will be flogged in a heavy vehicle w/auto trans.
Must create sphincter-tightening acceleration.
Would *like* the engine to last 1000 miles w/o freshening.

1. What torque/hp/rpm limits should I respect as far as the bottom
end is concerned (assume OEM style parts)?

2. In the interest of furthering the limits in #1, are there any
relatively simple block/oiling mods that can be done?

3. I'm contemplating a roller cam. Any recommendations for
suppliers?

4. I'd like to try my hand at cylinder head porting. Any known
how-to's? Any recommendations?

Can you gurus can help with answers?

Any and all information is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Chad
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:28:39 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 429 project

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From: Chad Dailey[SMTP:cdailey hhs.state.ne.us]

>Hi all. I'm contemplating a 429 project for the winter, and I'd like
>to collect some information first. I'd like to keep costs down, and
>fun factor up.
>
>Baseline requirements:
>
>Gas mileage is not important.
>This engine will be flogged in a heavy vehicle w/auto trans.
>Must create sphincter-tightening acceleration.
>Would *like* the engine to last 1000 miles w/o freshening.

do you really mean 1000? not like 10,000??

>
>1. What torque/hp/rpm limits should I respect as far as the bottom
>end is concerned (assume OEM style parts)?
>
oh, about 6500 rpm, and maybe 650 hp or so.

>2. In the interest of furthering the limits in #1, are there any
>relatively simple block/oiling mods that can be done?
no, not really. this is where the cubic dollars start coming in to play.

>3. I'm contemplating a roller cam. Any recommendations for
>suppliers?
yes, ultradyne. but they are not small cams - requiring new pistons, and
complete valvetrain...
>
>4. I'd like to try my hand at cylinder head porting. Any known
>how-to's? Any recommendations?
yes, make freinds with your local head porting specialist!!!
>
>Can you gurus can help with answers?
i haven't been able to get a hold of the dahli lama lately, i think his
cell phone batteries died...
>
>Any and all information is greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Chad

figure out your maximum budget, take 75 percent to 50% of that and call it
your new max. now from there you'll know what kind of motor you can build.

decide if reliability or power is more important, and where that power will
be located in the power band. power costs, and reliability costs. and
having both, cost even more generally. higher rpms cost mucho more than
lower rpms, and bigger cubes. so, are big cubes in your budget?

you can check out my current build at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/7273

for some ideas as to the cost of a 750 hp or so BB ford.
i did mine much cheap by using almost all used parts and got many good
deals on important parts like block, heads, intake, cam.

i basically have an over $12,000 motor built for maybe $8,000 (just
guessing here, i have not added it all up yet) including fuel system parts,
etc. it should make about 750 hp, and turn to 8,000 rpm's reliably.
reliably, if i can keep my oil pressure up. i didn't do the expensive oil
mods needed to really turn these r's. oh, and this engine would be a great
street strip engine, if only i had an SVO block. that would sure my
cooling problems most likely.

any more questions, feel free to ask.

sleddog


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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:23:42 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Welcome Back Chris!

Are we talking 2wd or 4wd here? Cuz my 74 F-350 2wd has a 460 in it. All
factory original, checked it against that nifty VIN decoder in the
contributions section.


Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:28:49 EST
From: JUMPINFORD AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 429 project

In a message dated 11/30/98 3:25:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, kevkem epix.net
writes:

>

I think these are both wrong, we're talkin Ford here not Bow-tie, or any other
sort of pickup imitation. I think those #'s should read 200,000+.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:37:13 EST
From: CCSSportz AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - To argue stock or not to argue.....I choose back up the TRUTH!!! :o)

In a message dated 11/30/98 5:58:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevkem epix.net
writes:


year, for what ever it is worth. >>

Sleddog is absolutely right - it was an option in my '79 definately - I've
heard that rrom SEVERAL mechanics, a couple of diehard ford guys, not to
mention it is listed in my Chilton's manual .......... :o)

- -Shawn
79 F-150 4x4, 351M - " 'ZILLA "
Cambridge, NY
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