perf-list-digest Monday, November 30 1998 Volume 01 : Number 157



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - Welcome Aboard
FTE Perf - Larger Than stock oil pan for 79 351M - Where do you get one?
FTE Perf - Welcome Back Chris!
Re: FTE Perf - Welcome Back Chris!
FTE Perf - Re closed Tranny?
Re: FTE Perf - Perf list Scope
FTE Perf - Re: Re closed Tranny? and added : Manual Locator.........
FTE Perf - I am looking for a few parts...........and advice.
FTE Perf - 1st 460
RE: FTE Perf - Perf list Scope
RE: FTE Perf - I am looking for a few parts...........and advice.
RE: FTE Perf - 1st 460
Re: FTE Perf - I am looking for a few parts...........and advice.
RE: FTE Perf - I am looking for a few parts...........and advice.
FTE Perf - 1st 460
FTE Perf - Gearing questions..........Among other things....
FTE Perf - Closed tranny????
FTE Perf - 2.3 ranger (kinda long sorry)
Re: FTE Perf - Larger Than stock oil pan for 79 351M - Where do you get one?
Re: FTE Perf - Larger Than stock oil pan for 79 351M - Where do you get one?
Re: FTE Perf - Closed tranny????
FTE Perf - Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Re closed Tranny? and added : Manual Locator.........

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 09:24:20 EST
From: FLR150 AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Welcome Aboard

Well, Chuck there are several of us late model guys on this list. We also
peruse the Lightning list and the 80-96 list. So to answer your question, Yes!
Welcome to the list.
Wayne Foy
'94 F150 Flareside Supercab
Goodwhsky aoo.com wrote:
Hello all. I have been lurking here for a little while, and I was just
wondering if this list is strictly for OLD Ford trucks? I have a 93 F 150
Lightning (#3951) and was kinda hoping to find some late model enthusiasts.
Thanks

Chuck
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 10:26:45 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE Perf - Larger Than stock oil pan for 79 351M - Where do you get one?

>Does anyone know where you can get a larger capacity oil pan for the 351M
>(79 Bronco).
>Or do you have to cut and wield up a home made one?
>Any info would be appreciated.
>Later,

Paul,
I noticed that Mildon makes a couple of different pans for the 351c. These
are probably set up for mustangs.....any chance that they would clear the
crossmember on your bronco???? I think that the car pans are front sump????
later,
dale c


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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 10:16:48 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE Perf - Welcome Back Chris!

Hi Chris.............glad to see you posting again.
Have you fired your 400 yet?
My latest toy is a '77 sc f-150 with a factory 460. I bought it cheap as a
parts truck, but now I'm toying with the idea of rebuilding the 460 and
transplanting it, mounts and all into my '79. Only problem is I wouldn't
know what side to take when the 400-vs-460 engine wars flare up again.

How did you arrive at the 9:1 CR on your 400? I remember that you cautioned
against cutting the heads or block on the 335 motors (ala the hot rod
method). Dave recommends using a flat-top 351c piston and bushing the rods.
Is that what you are doing? I'm still gathering parts, going slow looking
for good deals to avoid spending too many $$$$.

I'm happy with my flowmaster 3 chamber now. When I first put it on I
thought that it was too loud. Yesterday,I got the tailpipe (turn-out in
front of the rear wheel) on it and that mellowed it out considerably.

later,
dale c
'79 f150, 351M

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 11:01:42 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Welcome Back Chris!

I must've missed that post! Why not shave the heads a few .00's? .025
specifically. I know that you're wary of M series heads but assuming
they've been mag'd and given a clean bill of health... I believe that when
you buy over sized pistons the C:R is dropped to take into account block
decking, etc. That is the case with the Silv-o-lites anyway...

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> From: Dale and Donna Carmine
> To: perf-list
> Subject: FTE Perf - Welcome Back Chris!
> Date: Sunday, November 29, 1998 8:16 AM
>
> How did you arrive at the 9:1 CR on your 400? I remember that you
cautioned
> against cutting the heads or block on the 335 motors (ala the hot rod
> method). Dave recommends using a flat-top 351c piston and bushing the
rods.
> Is that what you are doing?
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:00:27 -0500
From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault"
Subject: FTE Perf - Re closed Tranny?

Hi Shawn.

Sorry I haven't gotten back to you sooner about the decoding thing, but I
have been busier than He**.

If you send the VIN off the dash I can get you at least part of the INFO and
I will try a couple of guys that still work in FORD OF CANADA head Office to
see if they have an archive or something that can be used. (Don't hold your
breath this a long shot. Even if they have one does not mean they will be
able to get the info.)

Back to the Tranny - Closed? I seem to remember there should be a bolted
panel on the Three Speeds, and on the T 18 and NP 435 there should be "Fill
and Drain" plugs. As for filters - I don't believe there is one. Only Ford
tranny's I know that have filters, (manuals that is), are the Fuller and
other Big rig type trannys.

When you remove the drain plug, (on a level surface), the fluid should come
to the top of it. Level with opening. If you look carefully at the casting
of the tranny you should be able to Find Id numbers or Manufacture name on
it somewhere. (You might have to remove some dirt/grease to find it.)

If you want to change the fluid, remove the top drain plug first, then with
a pan under it remove the lower one and allow it to drain. Be sure to
clean around the plugs first before removing them. Also be sure that the
plugs are clean before returning them to their holes.

I hope this helps.

Later

"Paul"

BTW The "Ford Tranny" could be a look alike for the Hurst. (But I doubt
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:28:24 EST
From: Goodwhsky AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Perf list Scope

In a message dated 11/27/98 8:13:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
manic1 bellsouth.net writes:


instead/with the NOS? I'm old fashioned I guess, just like real
'earned' horses as opposed to a button push of engine-eatin' miracle
juice. (I dont even care for turbot's much either. Just like that
whine of a blower I guess. It's all personal preference though; it
ought to scream when you're done!)

Tim Turner/Manic Mechanic
Custer Auto Repair >>

I hear Ya, and I agree. But when cash is low a $450 NOS kit is MUCH cheaper
than a $3500 blower! Personally I would rather have ALL motor, but there is
no way (EFI or not)to have enough HP to make a 4500lb brick wall run 11's and
be streetable. My 91 Mustang GT (10k original miles) has a 490HP motor (NO
power adders) 310 cid, DFI EFI, A4 block, etc and has run a best (so far) of
11.001 125.xxx. If I had the $$ a 408 stroker with a T-trim, etc would be
nice, as would a race prepped E40D, but not in the budget right now. Thanks
for the comp[liment.

Chuck
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:10:03 EST
From: CCSSportz AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Re closed Tranny? and added : Manual Locator.........

In a message dated 11/29/98 2:03:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
pboudreault sympatico.ca writes:


panel on the Three Speeds, and on the T 18 and NP 435 there should be "Fill
and Drain" plugs. >>

I'll take a peek to see what kind of numbers I can get off the tranny, By the
way, it is a 4 speed!!!
I'll get you those #'s off the dash as soon as I can..........about an hour or
so.........
Thanks for the offer, I really appreciate it.....I am beginning to learn that
with the older trucks you don't hold your breath for too long..
It took me 2 weeks to find a darn repair manual --- It's a CHILTONS and covers
all US and Canadian Models of Ford F-100, F-150, F-250, F-350, and Bronco
(1978-86 only): 2 and 4 wheel drive, gasoline and diesel engines. It has a lot
of topics covered. I haven't had too much of a chance to browse through it
other than the steering component section.......
I know there are alot of you out there looking for manuals and stuff.......I
found mine finally, at a Western Auto on a trip to Vermont. It cost me 13.99.
if you need one like the one I have I can see if there are any more, buy them
and send them out like a "book order thing" or I could have mine photocopied,
and just send you the sections you need. I don't know - Up to you, just trying
to help.

- -Shawn
79 F-150 4x4, 351M


- -Shawn
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 15:28:59 EST
From: CCSSportz AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - I am looking for a few parts...........and advice.

Sorry guys I am new to these lists. I'm on the performance list, 61-79 list,
and the offroad list. I have seen a couple different e-mail addys for each one
digest one not. Do I need to do as I did in this post and include both addys
for each list, or can I just send it to one at the regular posting e-mail and
have the digest users get it too???

Anyway, I am looking for some stuff for my truck.
It is a '79 F-150 4x4, 351M, as most of you already know.
I absolutely need a set (4) 16.5 inch wheels. I have 36" tires on the rear,
and 35" tires on the front. All on 15" rims.... They don't make many, at least
I can't find many (used) that are that big and will fit on a 15......all are
16.5's. My rims are pretty rusty, and they are US Wheels I was told, aren't
these split-rims? If so aren't they the ones to get away from with bigger
tires, and when they start to rust?

My rear tires are ok, but as long as the 35's are up front I can't do any
wheeling.........and I can't put a pair of 36's on because I can't find any
for a 15" rim.
I am repeating myself here, so I'm just gonna' shut up on that one.

I am also looking for a passenger side door.............

Maybe a used engine dress up kit.

Tips on painting myself, and prep/body work.

Tips on riveting floor pieces in.........I've gotten alot of advice on this so
far....
Just haven't had the time to do it.

Also 4wheel drive configuration, ....... How does the 4x4 gears work? Where
are they?
Someone, Anyone know which gears are where. ?

I am confused about my Tranny too.
It is a 4 speed with granny, it is a hurst, and it closed?? Whatever that
means. This is just what I've been told by people who THINK they know. So you
can see where my confusion comes from. The one cold hard fact I can give you
is that it definitely is a STANDARD, it is a 4 speed, and that it is connected
to my truck. I'm going to see if I can scrape some numbers off it, and run
them by you guys, to let me know what I've got in there.

Thanks again for any help you can give me. Also, if you know of any other
parts for a '79, or that will fit on my truck. Let me know. I am interested in
doing alot with this truck.........

- -Shawn
79 F-150 4x4, 351M
Cambridge, NY
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:49:04 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE Perf - 1st 460

Well gents......I tore down my 1st 460 today. symptoms were; low
compression on cylinders 3 and 4 ( bad gasket??) and zero compression on #
7. It would run, but very poorly and with some very bad bangity clangity
noises.
I have the top end off the engine and found the # 7 piston cocked in the
bore, stuck at TDC. Both pushrods on # 7 are bent but it didn't seem to
hurt the valves at all. The rod is gone, I don't have the pan off yet so I
can't see the condition of the cylinder............
My question is, What are the odds that the cylinder wall on # 7 is still
serviceable.....without a rebore????

later,
dale c
'79 f150, 351M

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 18:39:32 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Perf list Scope

i know what you are saying, but i think a 800 cib BB hemi ford might do it :)

sleddog

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Sent: Sunday, November 29, 1998 2:28 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Perf list Scope

I hear Ya, and I agree. But when cash is low a $450 NOS kit is MUCH cheaper
than a $3500 blower! Personally I would rather have ALL motor, but there is
no way (EFI or not)to have enough HP to make a 4500lb brick wall run 11's and
be streetable. My 91 Mustang GT (10k original miles) has a 490HP motor (NO
power adders) 310 cid, DFI EFI, A4 block, etc and has run a best (so far) of
11.001 125.xxx.

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:13:04 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - I am looking for a few parts...........and advice.

post to one address, not the digest address. the digest is created from
emails to the non digest address.

as for wheeling. i wouldn't worry much about the 1/2" tire radius
difference as long as the surface is not real hard pack or anything the
won't allow some tire slippage. my pull truck has a 12% differencein
gearing, turning the front faster than the rear. the fronts are lower
pressure, which equals it out some too. it don't go wheeling, but it does
back up the whole track to get hooked sometimes. just remember, it is the
rolling radius - the distance from axle center to ground - that should be
almost equal, not the diameter molded into the tire side.

oh, as for which gears are where - i can't see my truck now, but i think
from front to rear it is 4L-N-4H-2H. find a knob somewhere or you can
check in owners manual if you have it. someone here should know it. you
see, i don't know if you have a 205 T-case or not.

sleddog

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Sent: Sunday, November 29, 1998 3:28 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com; perf-list-digest ford-trucks.com;
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Subject: FTE Perf - I am looking for a few parts...........and advice.

Sorry guys I am new to these lists. I'm on the performance list, 61-79
list,
and the offroad list. I have seen a couple different e-mail addys for each
one
digest one not. Do I need to do as I did in this post and include both
addys
for each list, or can I just send it to one at the regular posting e-mail
and
have the digest users get it too???

Anyway, I am looking for some stuff for my truck.
It is a '79 F-150 4x4, 351M, as most of you already know.
I absolutely need a set (4) 16.5 inch wheels. I have 36" tires on the
rear,
and 35" tires on the front. All on 15" rims.... They don't make many, at
least
I can't find many (used) that are that big and will fit on a 15......all
are
16.5's. My rims are pretty rusty, and they are US Wheels I was told, aren't
these split-rims? If so aren't they the ones to get away from with bigger
tires, and when they start to rust?

My rear tires are ok, but as long as the 35's are up front I can't do any
wheeling.........and I can't put a pair of 36's on because I can't find any
for a 15" rim.
I am repeating myself here, so I'm just gonna' shut up on that one.

I am also looking for a passenger side door.............

Maybe a used engine dress up kit.

Tips on painting myself, and prep/body work.

Tips on riveting floor pieces in.........I've gotten alot of advice on this
so
far....
Just haven't had the time to do it.

Also 4wheel drive configuration, ....... How does the 4x4 gears work? Where
are they?
Someone, Anyone know which gears are where. ?

I am confused about my Tranny too.
It is a 4 speed with granny, it is a hurst, and it closed?? Whatever that
means. This is just what I've been told by people who THINK they know. So
you
can see where my confusion comes from. The one cold hard fact I can give
you
is that it definitely is a STANDARD, it is a 4 speed, and that it is
connected
to my truck. I'm going to see if I can scrape some numbers off it, and run
them by you guys, to let me know what I've got in there.

Thanks again for any help you can give me. Also, if you know of any other
parts for a '79, or that will fit on my truck. Let me know. I am interested
in
doing alot with this truck.........

- -Shawn
79 F-150 4x4, 351M
Cambridge, NY
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:22:32 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 1st 460

uh, can you say "MR machinest nore me a new hole?"

sorrry, but chances are that at best a good hone to the largest possible
piston clearance MIGHT make it servicable, as in you'll get half decent
ring seal. but then again, it may have failed without much fuss, in which
case removing the piston may do more damage than when it got stuck.

BTW, you will need to check those valves real good with an indicator. a
.002" bend may not be visible, but it is trouble. also need to check those
cam lobes/lifters/rockers etc.

if the cyl wall is too damaged, overbore all cylinders for new pistons, or
get that one cyl sleeved. this is about $100 for a single sleeve/bore/hone
at most. new pistons? cuople hundred. add the costs up for each path and
choose the one right for you...

i would also be worried about the crank journals for that rod and in fact
the whole crank if it was running with a broken rod flying around! the oil
pump is shot for sure from debris. look for any bluing on the crank or
rods that signify oil loss. if the rods have bluing, toss em IMHO.
inspect bearings close - they will tell a story too. yuo can tell if they
were damaged by crap, or by oil loss (bluing - localized welding).

hope the damage is only the piston/pushrods. good luck.

later days
sleddog

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From: Dale and Donna Carmine[SMTP:dcarmine inetnebr.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 1998 3:49 PM
To: perf-list
Subject: FTE Perf - 1st 460

Well gents......I tore down my 1st 460 today. symptoms were; low
compression on cylinders 3 and 4 ( bad gasket??) and zero compression on #
7. It would run, but very poorly and with some very bad bangity clangity
noises.
I have the top end off the engine and found the # 7 piston cocked in the
bore, stuck at TDC. Both pushrods on # 7 are bent but it didn't seem to
hurt the valves at all. The rod is gone, I don't have the pan off yet so
I
can't see the condition of the cylinder............
My question is, What are the odds that the cylinder wall on # 7 is still
serviceable.....without a rebore????

later,
dale c
'79 f150, 351M

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 19:42:44 EST
From: CCSSportz AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - I am looking for a few parts...........and advice.

In a message dated 11/29/98 7:23:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevkem epix.net
writes:


emails to the non digest address.

*Ok, will do ...........Thanks

as for wheeling. i wouldn't worry much about the 1/2" tire radius
difference as long as the surface is not real hard pack or anything the
won't allow some tire slippage.

**So you are saying with the 35's up front, and the 36's out back I can still
go offroad in 4WD as long as I'm on some surface that will allow my tires to
slip?

my pull truck has a 12% differencein
gearing, turning the front faster than the rear. the fronts are lower
pressure, which equals it out some too. it don't go wheeling, but it does
back up the whole track to get hooked sometimes. just remember, it is the
rolling radius - the distance from axle center to ground - that should be
almost equal, not the diameter molded into the tire side.

Yeah, because they are a smaller diameter tire (the 35's up front) they will
be turning faster than the rear tires...........I know that, but I was told
that because of this they will pull my rear tires along because the rear ones
are going slower.......
Now I am confused!

oh, as for which gears are where - i can't see my truck now, but i think
from front to rear it is 4L-N-4H-2H. find a knob somewhere or you can
check in owners manual if you have it. someone here should know it. you
see, i don't know if you have a 205 T-case or not.

I just bought a Chilon repair manual and grabbed a 4wheeling magazine today --
In the 4x4 mag. I was told stock axles in my truck were Dana 44 up front, and
a ford 9'' out back. In the Chilton it says I'm sopposed to have a New Process
205 Part time Transfer Case. I have to scrape the numbers off everything
tomorrow, and make sure I've got what I think I have.....

I still can't figure out what my tranny is even sopposed to be. So When I get
the #'s I'll run 'em by you guys, and maybe you can give me some
definates........

Thanks,
- -Shawn
79 F-150 4x4, 351M - Just named by Dad and I " 'ZILLA "
Cambridge, NY

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 20:25:03 -0500
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - I am looking for a few parts...........and advice.

ok, assuming that the rear and front differential gears are the same, then
if the distance from axle center to ground is less on one end, that end
"turns" slower (actually turns same speed, but goes a shorter distance per
revolution)

if the front distance is smaller, the rear will try to push the front. if
the rear is smaller, then the front will pull the rear. and it is MUCH
better for the front to pull, than the rear to push. in your case, the
rear may push - measure the distance from axle center to ground (flat and
level!) you may be real close. if the difference is small, like under
1/2" i wouldn't worry much on low traction surfaces. you may be able to
increase the fronts pressure, and decrease the rears (if the front is lower
to the ground) to equal the distances out.

but, get new tires anyway :)

most D44/9" axle combos came with 3.50 gears, but the gearing is actually
something like 3.5front, and 3.55 rear or something like that. anyway...

on my pull truck the front, when going down track, is actually spinning
faster than the rear, and as long as the fronts are not pumped up to a very
low tire pressure, comes out to about 12%. but like i said, this is a big
difference - like one gear set difference (fron 4.56 to 5.13)



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Sent: Sunday, November 29, 1998 7:42 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Cc: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com; offroad-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - I am looking for a few parts...........and advice.

In a message dated 11/29/98 7:23:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kevkem epix.net
writes:


emails to the non digest address.

*Ok, will do ...........Thanks

as for wheeling. i wouldn't worry much about the 1/2" tire radius
difference as long as the surface is not real hard pack or anything the
won't allow some tire slippage.

**So you are saying with the 35's up front, and the 36's out back I can
still
go offroad in 4WD as long as I'm on some surface that will allow my tires
to
slip?

my pull truck has a 12% differencein
gearing, turning the front faster than the rear. the fronts are lower
pressure, which equals it out some too. it don't go wheeling, but it does
back up the whole track to get hooked sometimes. just remember, it is the
rolling radius - the distance from axle center to ground - that should be
almost equal, not the diameter molded into the tire side.

Yeah, because they are a smaller diameter tire (the 35's up front) they
will
be turning faster than the rear tires...........I know that, but I was told
that because of this they will pull my rear tires along because the rear
ones
are going slower.......
Now I am confused!

Thanks,
- -Shawn
79 F-150 4x4, 351M - Just named by Dad and I " 'ZILLA "
Cambridge, NY





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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:46:45 -0800
From: George
Subject: FTE Perf - 1st 460

I don't think you can get odds on what the cylinder is like until you pull
the pan/rod/piston. What caused it is going to be the issue. Even if it's
(cyl) not scored or holed, something bad happened.

If the block can be saved and the crank's not damaged, you still face the
problem of low compression on cylinders 3&4. If the block & crank are OK
and you can replace that one piston/rod assembly, I'd do all the rings to
balance the compression. Matching that piston for balance will be another
issue. And change the cam, do a valve job with replacement of all valve
train components for that one cylinder. At that point, consider that you
won't be that far from a total rebuild in labor and cost.

George Miller

Well gents......I tore down my 1st 460 today. symptoms were; low
compression on cylinders 3 and 4 ( bad gasket??) and zero compression on #
7. It would run, but very poorly and with some very bad bangity clangity
noises.
I have the top end off the engine and found the # 7 piston cocked in the
bore, stuck at TDC. Both pushrods on # 7 are bent but it didn't seem to
hurt the valves at all. The rod is gone, I don't have the pan off yet so
I
can't see the condition of the cylinder............
My question is, What are the odds that the cylinder wall on # 7 is still
serviceable.....without a rebore????


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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:28:09 EST
From: CCSSportz AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Gearing questions..........Among other things....

In a message dated 11/29/98 8:22:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, kevkem epix.net
writes:


something like 3.5front, and 3.55 rear or something like that. anyway...
>>

Are these good gears to have? What's the worst, what's the best? My guess is
they are factory from '79 (Never been changed), should I change or upgrade
them? Keep in mind I'm still working on the truck, and have yet to drive it
more than up a trailer, down a trailer, and about 20 feet to park it ---- All
with no steering at all. So I don't know what else will need to be done until
I can drive it, and "feel" what else I need to fix.

What's the deal with Detroit Lockers? I'm new to the 4x4 scene, and new to
trucks, or vehicles for that matter even - I know alot of the basics, and some
of the complicated stuff.
I'm 16, and have worked on my Cadilllac for 2 years, my dad's mercury, and am
learning ford trucks as I work on mine. I was reading a magazine and it was
talking about Detroit lockers......
What are they? What do they do? About how much do they cost? And can I put one
in myself? Like I said, other than knowing it is a rearend component, I don't
know much.

And thanks again for all of those who responded about my tire/4x4 questions. I
am just going to get a new set of rubber. I found a friend of mine who can get
me some military take off 36" Hummer tires........ from between 50-75 bucks
apiece mounted and balanced -- They all have over 50% tread left, or close to
100% but plugged....... Which leads me to beg you guys to help me find a set
of 16.5" rims to put these tires on. I have 15's and they wont cut it
obviously. So any links to rims or if you have an old set laying around please
contact me ASAP. Thanks alot once again - you guys on this list have saved me
from a complete nervous breakdown, and a coronary at 16 years old.

- -Shawn
79 F-150 4x4, 351M
Cambridge, NY
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:04:37 -0500
From: The Neighbors
Subject: FTE Perf - Closed tranny????

Shawn wrote: "I don't know too much about them other than they are
supposedly really good. Oh on the tranny......another friend of mine
said it was a "closed" tranny, he said there was no dipstick, and the
tranny was closed. I want to change the fluid and Filter and he said
"no-can-do" - "IT IS CLOSED, SEALED, AND YOU CAN"T CHANGE IT"

That sounds like hogwash to me! There should be a square-headed plug on
the side of the tranny, used for checking the level and filling the
tranny, that will probably take a 9/16" wrench. On the bottom of the
tranny will be a drain plug that looks like the filler plug, or had a
square hole that will take a 3/8" or 1/2" socket extension.
To check the fluid, remove the plug on the side of the tranny and stick
you finger in it. If it comes back with oil on it if you don't wiggle it
around too much, then the oil level is fine. If you don't get oil on
your finger, put more in! To drain, well, if I have to tell you
that...:-)
By the way, it seems to me if the transmission has a granny gear, then
it isn't a Hurst transmission, but I am not an expert on the subject.
I'll put it this way though: have YOU ever heard of a high performance
transmission with a granny gear?
- --
Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
innaccesible part of the vehicle."

grover ford-trucks.com
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 22:28:39 -0500
From: Brett ITT 41
Subject: FTE Perf - 2.3 ranger (kinda long sorry)

Tell me about your truck.
I am guessing that it was mostly stock last season?
What RPM's were you running?
What kind of power do you think you were making? Expect with new
"Heart"?
What camshaft are you installing? Compression ratio? EFI Mods?
What Trans are you running?

The engine was mostly stock. New custom cold air intake, Headers going
into a custom 2 1/4" straight pipe. When I say custom I mean I did it my
self. The rest of the truck is far from stock. 6 point roll cage w/xbars
in back, NASCAR style side door bars, removable 13" steering wheel,
Kirkey alum. race seat, 5pt. Harness, 15 gal. fuel cell mounted in bed
fed by a 60 psi electric fuel pump. 175 lb. leaf springs under the flip
kit, 900 lb. front coil springs on a custom mount, custom fiberglass bed
cover(remember the the roll cage going into the back), custom rear
spoiler, custom paint job, 4.10 rear end w/trac-loc, runnning on 15x7
wheeels w/ 225/50/15 Hoosiers.
The rpms will probably be limited by my cam, do to it being a hyd.roller
probably about 7,200-7,500 rpms.
Don't really know how much power I had before I started the rebuild but
w/ 157,000 miles and 3 teenagers before me it couldn't have been much.
Hopefully with my mandated 9.5-1 cr. I will be getting about 190 horsees
to the ground. My cam is going to be 220 dur. with 409 of lift. It
should be a good compromise between torque and horsepower.
The new chip is to hopefully tell the computer what I have done to the
engine so it will take advantage of it. It is a multiport injection with
speed density. Wish I would have gotten a '92 it would have been a lot
eaiser to build the engine,but hey the truck was free.
The trans. is the stock Mazda 5 speed. I did however replace all the
plastic washers w/, bronze?brass? I dunno, metal washers. Its funny
according to there rules I can take the gears from a v-6 ranger and put
them in my tranny but I can't swap the whole tranny. Go figure.
Well kinda long winded but I am proud of my truck.

gottago seeya bye

Brett ITT 41
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 20:27:37 -0800
From: Steve & Rockette Leitch
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Larger Than stock oil pan for 79 351M - Where do you get one?

At 10:26 29/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>Does anyone know where you can get a larger capacity oil pan for the 351M
>>(79 Bronco).

Stage 1 makes a 351C/M oilpan for late model fox bodied cars,
It's in the latest Jegs catalog.

Steve & the Rockette




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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 21:51:57 -0600
From: "Michael R. Masse"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Larger Than stock oil pan for 79 351M - Where do you get one?

Don't forget that on the 4x4's you'll need a rear sump oil pan...

Steve & Rockette Leitch wrote:
>
> At 10:26 29/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
> >>Does anyone know where you can get a larger capacity oil pan for the 351M
> >>(79 Bronco).
>
> Stage 1 makes a 351C/M oilpan for late model fox bodied cars,
> It's in the latest Jegs catalog.
>
> Steve & the Rockette
>
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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:52:11 EST
From: CCSSportz AOL.COM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Closed tranny????

In a message dated 11/29/98 9:58:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, grover ford-
trucks.com writes:


it isn't a Hurst transmission, but I am not an expert on the subject.
I'll put it this way though: have YOU ever heard of a high performance
transmission with a granny gear? >>

Like I said I don't know if it is or if it isn't. I'm getting the numbers
tomorrow when I have some extra time.........Then I will know for sure what
the heck I've got.
I don't even know if it actually HAS granny gear, I was told that by the
previous owner, who by the way knows about 100% less than I do..........
But it seems to me that any tranny made for a heavier duty truck (A heavy 1/2
Ton) and a 4x4 be it a Hurst or not, would have one lower than normal
(creeper, or granny) gear for the heavier loads, and the towing involved with
a heavier duty truck. Doesn't that seem logical. I'm not arguing the point of
if it is a Hurst or not - I don't really care one way or another - I am just
curious as to what the heck I've got in my truck.......

Thanks,
-Shawn
79 F-150 4x4, 351M - 'ZILLA
Cambridge, NY
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Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 00:18:36 EST
From: CCSSportz AOL.COM
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Re closed Tranny? and added : Manual Locator.........

In a message dated 11/29/98 11:43:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, xaenon one.net
writes:


passing
reference to some of the devices on the truck or does it actually give
diagrams
and stuff like that?

Thanks in advance.

Mark
>>
The one I have has the numbers (8576) 26662 on the cover, and the book itself
is gray, and has a tan/brown F-150 XLT (80's style) in the center.
The one I have has 28 pages of exhaust system diagrams (cover all different
years for each specific vehicle) And also has a complete 66 page section
devoted completely to Emission controls. That section covers Air Pollution,
Catalytic Converters, Crank Case Emissions, Diagnostic Trouble Codes, Exhaust....

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