perf-list-digest Thursday, October 22 1998 Volume 01 : Number 124



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - RE: mufflers
Re: FTE Perf - Headers
FTE Perf - Piston Rings
FTE Perf - motor conversion?
RE: FTE Perf - RE: mufflers
Re: FTE Perf - Exhaust Headers
RE: FTE Perf - Exhaust Headers
Re: FTE Perf - Exhaust Headers
FTE Perf - stroker, was Exhaust Headers
Re: FTE Perf - Headers
FTE Perf - Piston Rings
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Links

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:26:38 -0400
From: "Parsons, Raymond"
Subject: FTE Perf - RE: mufflers

I have a two chamber Flowmaster on my 67 F250. I did not want a real loud
muffler as I only use the truck to pull a horse trailer; it is louder than I
wanted but it sounds real good; not as sharp a sound as glasspacks, but
definitely louder than stock. It took about 250 miles for the muffler to
'settle in'; it was really loud at first, but has since quieted down. I
have been stopped on three occassions by someone wanting to see what was
producing rumble from under my hood (I got carried away with the cam; boy
does it lope!).
Ray
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:41:08 -0500
From: "Nils Gore"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Headers

Dale wrote:

>The 3" single exhaust with a flowmaster is the same set-up that I'm going
to
>put on my '79 351M. I've seen several posts about flowmaster but no one
>mentions which one, two chamber?, three chamber?, big block? I'm ready to
>order parts and I definitely don't want the truck to be too loud so I'm
>leaning toward the three chamber. I'd like to hear about your experience
>and which particular muffler you're running.

I'm in the same boat:

I need to put a new dual exhaust system on my 64 F100 with its new 5.0L EFI
motor. I want good low frequency, rumbly sound; but not TOO loud. Nor do I
want them too quiet. My 73 has stock mufflers and it sounds anemic. I don't
like the sound of glasspacks. They're too harsh for my ear; like the muffler
case is about to split open.

My dad has driven Ford trucks forever. He said he used to put on Porter
steelpack mufflers (even on a 1930 Model A back in the 50's!). My memory is
that they sounded real good on his trucks.

I heard a guy in a D**ge Ram take off the other day; it sounded pretty good.
When I saw him again, I asked him what kind of mufflers he had. He said,
"None. Straight pipes." Surprised the socks off of me, cause it didn't have
that
wide open sound. But I don't feel comfortable trying that...:)

I've done some searching for Porter mufflers and have had no luck.
Flowmaster has been recommended by several people, but which series? Can
anyone describe the Flowmaster sound in the terms I've used above?

Appreciate anyone's opinion,

Nils Gore

64 F100
73 F100
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:15:30 -0700
From: George
Subject: FTE Perf - Piston Rings

Sealed Power has been in that business for a long time. I don't believe
Keith Black manufactures his own piston rings and I'd be curious as to who
makes the rings for the performance aftermarket. Good post.

George Miller

How about a reccomendation on a manufacturer of piston rings? They will go
on a set of Keith Black pistons (KB206+.o3o") and used primarialy for
commuting i.e., no towing and rare?? stoplight races. No nitrous or water
injection at this time. I have heard good things about Sealed Power, and
am also looking into Speed Pro Plasma Moly Rings for around $60.

Jimbo
'77 Supercab 466


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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 08:50:49 -0500
From: Robert Miley
Subject: FTE Perf - motor conversion?

I have an 86 Bronco II 4x4 w/ the 2.8 liter engine. I have heard that
there are conversion kits to install a 302 motor. Can anyone help me
locate where to go to find this information? Also has anyone done this
and was it worth it? Any problems ect.?

Thanks
Robert Miley
Texas

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:50:44 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - RE: mufflers

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From: Parsons, Raymond[SMTP:parsonsr denver-rmn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 9:26 AM
To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: FTE Perf - RE: mufflers

(I got carried away with the cam; boy
does it lope!).
Ray


that's not getting carried away. choosing a cam so the engine won't idle under 2,000 rpms, is getting carried away! ;)
what happened to the days when you could buy a car off the showroom that actually had a lope in the idle.

sleddog



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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:27:19 EDT
From: A4T1RAT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Exhaust Headers

I used the 4 bolt motorsport block. billet crank I belive the rods were
Carillo h-beam got them from Fritz Marine as with the pistons I for got who
they were from we had to order them twice. roller rockers 429 SCJ heads mild
porting SS valves and a stock cast iron CJ 4 bbl manifold with a 850 holley
dolble pumper pushed that 76 F-250 4x4 around pretty good ! I sold the truck
with out the engine and one of my friends bought the motor and put it in his
boat with a tunel ram on it ..... it is now at the bottom of lake powel :(
oh well I told him it would haul A**
Rat
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:43:24 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Exhaust Headers

damn! if that lake was local i'd try to get that damn block! i need one :)

sounds like it was a real runner!

sleddog

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From: A4T1RAT aol.com[SMTP:A4T1RAT aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 4:27 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Exhaust Headers

I used the 4 bolt motorsport block. billet crank I belive the rods were
Carillo h-beam got them from Fritz Marine as with the pistons I for got who
they were from we had to order them twice. roller rockers 429 SCJ heads mild
porting SS valves and a stock cast iron CJ 4 bbl manifold with a 850 holley
dolble pumper pushed that 76 F-250 4x4 around pretty good ! I sold the truck
with out the engine and one of my friends bought the motor and put it in his
boat with a tunel ram on it ..... it is now at the bottom of lake powel :(
oh well I told him it would haul A**
Rat
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 16:49:41 EDT
From: A4T1RAT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Exhaust Headers

ya the thing ran pretty good the truck had 36" Cepek fun country radials
and would smoke them like crazy....I am thinking about getting another block
and buildin a motor for my 91 F-350 4x4 do like 500 ci and put all the stock
top end on it with some mods,,, i live in CA so I got that smog thing to think
about I have a blower on it now and want more power... just wonderin if I
could get away with it... Huuummmmmmmmmmm.... LOL

Rat
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 17:42:10 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE Perf - stroker, was Exhaust Headers

SVO has that new stroker kit for stock blocks. 4.3 stroke and a decent
price too. probly good for 700 ft lbs of tq with stock type heads, stock
bore, and right componants, especially a blower :) just don't try revving
it too high! it uses the stock type truck rods. but olivers or such will
fit :) i like my oliver rods. very nice piece - too bad they are so damn
expensive and once their in the motor noone can see them pretty parts ;(

sleddog

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From: A4T1RAT aol.com[SMTP:A4T1RAT aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 4:49 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Exhaust Headers

ya the thing ran pretty good the truck had 36" Cepek fun country radials
and would smoke them like crazy....I am thinking about getting another
block
and buildin a motor for my 91 F-350 4x4 do like 500 ci and put all the
stock
top end on it with some mods,,, i live in CA so I got that smog thing to
think
about I have a blower on it now and want more power... just wonderin if I
could get away with it... Huuummmmmmmmmmm.... LOL

Rat
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 21:06:11 -0400
From: Andrew Oldenburg
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Headers

>Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:15:11 -0400
>From: "Parsons, Raymond"
>Subject: FTE Perf - Headers
>
>I am running a 340 HP 352 in my 67 F250 C/S with a high-perf 3" exhaust
>(single exhaust due to saddle tank) with a FlowMaster muffler (this was a
>great improvement over the stock exhaust!). Would I benefit from a set of
>headers, or am I better off just running the stock exhaust manifolds? I
>only use the truck to pull a 6500 lb horse trailer and pull up into the
>mountains frequently.
>Ray

Ray,

Check out JET-HOT coatings, you can buy headers direct through them. I
just bought a set of shorty headers from them for my '92 F150 with 5.0L for
$320. I considered this not bad when most prices I saw were in the
$200-400 range for non coated. Their ceramic coatings is guaranteed to
protect the headers from rust through for life and not to flake or fail for
three years. Plus the coating a thermo barrier, which causes a coated
header to run cooler because they coat the inside of the header. This will
actually reduce under hood temperatures.

Give them a call 1-800-432-3379

Mine will be here in about one week. I'll post my impressions after they
are installed :)

Andy

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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:20:39 -0700
From: George
Subject: FTE Perf - Piston Rings

Most of the major piston ring (and other) manufacturers have open stock
inventory at their distribution warehouses. Everything they make by size
and material can be special ordered using your specs. Need a good parts guy
who will push it. The big money racers do that when having the pistons cut
to size and balanced after the cylinders are finished and measured
individually. Fedex has changed a lot of things.

George Miller

i have run sealed power in my last 2 engines, and i have good luck with
them so far. the 1st set was a standard set, last set was file fit.

bore was a bit on the edge on both engines (large), so the first set had a
bit large gap, but so far so good.

i think that at the level of a street engine, any well known brand is ok,
but i have been known to be wrong....

sleddog

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From: Jim Craig[SMTP:jcraig nations.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 10:16 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Piston Rings

How about a reccomendation on a manufacturer of piston rings? They will go
on a set of Keith Black pistons (KB206+.o3o") and used primarialy for
commuting i.e., no towing and rare?? stoplight races. No nitrous or water
injection at this time. I have heard good things about Sealed Power, and
am also looking into Speed Pro Plasma Moly Rings for around $60.

Jimbo
'77 Supercab 466
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 23:36:44 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Links

Thanks to all the people who sent in links (so far).
I'm sorry that I can't respond to each on personally
but I received nearly 30 emails with links. I'll
post a listing of all these links when they go up....


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