perf-list-digest Tuesday, October 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 122



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Headers
FTE Perf - Exhaust System Legalities
RE: FTE Perf - Exhaust System Legalities
RE: FTE Perf - Headers
Re: FTE Perf - Exhaust System Legalities
RE: FTE Perf - Exhaust System Legalities
FTE Perf - stained intake
RE: FTE Perf - stained intake
Re: FTE Perf - Headers
RE: FTE Perf - Headers
FTE Perf - BFG 285-16-75 AT's (Trying Again)

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:15:11 -0400
From: "Parsons, Raymond"
Subject: FTE Perf - Headers

I am running a 340 HP 352 in my 67 F250 C/S with a high-perf 3" exhaust
(single exhaust due to saddle tank) with a FlowMaster muffler (this was a
great improvement over the stock exhaust!). Would I benefit from a set of
headers, or am I better off just running the stock exhaust manifolds? I
only use the truck to pull a 6500 lb horse trailer and pull up into the
mountains frequently.
Ray
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:34:21 -0700
From: Tim Mattson
Subject: FTE Perf - Exhaust System Legalities

I have been told that an exhaust system that ends before the rear wheel
is illegal in California. Can anyone confirm/deny this?

Timothy Mattson
Mgr., Technical Services
Setka Inc.
Email: tmattson setka.com
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:06:26 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Exhaust System Legalities

aren't some of the new fords like this?? i could be wrong...

sleddog

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From: Tim Mattson[SMTP:tmattson setka.com]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 12:34 PM
To: 'perf'
Subject: FTE Perf - Exhaust System Legalities

I have been told that an exhaust system that ends before the rear wheel
is illegal in California. Can anyone confirm/deny this?

Timothy Mattson
Mgr., Technical Services
Setka Inc.
Email: tmattson setka.com
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:08:49 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Headers

i personally think yes. but it will be hard to get one that is of good
quality i think. headers rust out fast, many times have sealing problems,
increase underhood temps sometimes, and even are louder sometimes.

i would expect better performance/mileage though thru the better scavenging
effects of headers over manifolds.

sleddog

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From: Parsons, Raymond[SMTP:parsonsr denver-rmn.com]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 12:15 PM
To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: FTE Perf - Headers

I am running a 340 HP 352 in my 67 F250 C/S with a high-perf 3" exhaust
(single exhaust due to saddle tank) with a FlowMaster muffler (this was a
great improvement over the stock exhaust!). Would I benefit from a set of
headers, or am I better off just running the stock exhaust manifolds? I
only use the truck to pull a 6500 lb horse trailer and pull up into the
mountains frequently.
Ray
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 10:25:57 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Exhaust System Legalities

The redesigned F150 had exhaust in front of the rear wheels for sure. Not
positive about the 99s.

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> From: Sleddog
> To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Exhaust System Legalities
> Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 10:06 AM
>
> aren't some of the new fords like this?? i could be wrong...
>
> sleddog
>
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> From: Tim Mattson[SMTP:tmattson setka.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 12:34 PM
> To: 'perf'
> Subject: FTE Perf - Exhaust System Legalities
>
> I have been told that an exhaust system that ends before the rear wheel
> is illegal in California. Can anyone confirm/deny this?
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:33:49 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Exhaust System Legalities

From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Exhaust System Legalities
Date sent: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:06:26 -0400

> aren't some of the new fords like this?? i could be wrong...

Exhaust exits in front of all the new (97 and newer ) pickups I've looked at
but the law as I've been led to understand it requires the exhaust to exit
behind the last passenger compartment so on broncos you would have to
remove the seat to be legal and since it's generally called a wagon it may not
even be legal then due to the fact that it is possible to put the seat back in etc..

Since, in most states it is illegal to transport passengers in the rear of a
pickup, especially one with an enclosed cap or camper they are exempt from
this rule I would guess but broncos would not be?

Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary --
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:27:57 -0600
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE Perf - stained intake

So I washed the truck motor, and now my Edelbrock intake has brown stains
where the water puddle up. I've taken gasoline stains out with Brakecleen,
but it doesn't seem to phase these stains. How can I clean them up???

TIA

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net

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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 13:57:31 -0600
From: "Giddens, Scott"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - stained intake

I think that is an aluminum intake. but I am not sure what alloy of aluminum
it is. there are some products that brighten up aluminum by etching the
metal a little, depending on the alloy and concentration of the acid that is
in it. miratic acid I believe is what they use, I could be wrong but that is
what I remember. it comes in several wheel cleaning products like eagle
wheel cleaner. I believe it is the type "B" solution and you can get it at
checker auto parts. you can also go to the hardware store and buy it in a
more concentrated form and it is called aluminum brite or something like
that. I recommend you don't use it in high concentrations because it
basically eats away your aluminum. but in small concentrations it is very
safe as a cleaner. the contamination you are talking about is corrosion and
it will not come off without abrasion or etching. before you freak out and
think acid is going to eat it completely, you should know that miratic acid
is what they put in eye drops like Mirine. it is very safe on your aluminum,
I have used it for years on my Center Line mags. after you do it once you
can then treat the aluminum to make sure it stays that way longer. it is
easier to do before you have installed it but that is too late now. I would
simply suggest painting it with a good high temperature clear paint or keep
it coated with a fine silicone based oil. silicone is just about impossible
to remove from a surface and will last a long time with very few
reapplication. painting it may start to discolor after a few months and it
will not be easy to remove. if you was aware of this prior to installing it
you could have done what they call anodizing or chromate conversion coating
that turns the outer layer of the aluminum into an aluminum oxide coating
(ceramic) that will last forever. the coatings come in all kinds of colors
including clear. the cost is not all that much and any aluminum coating
house can do it. it is very easily applied and can be masked where you don't
need it. if you have ever seen Enki wheels, the gold centers of them, you
have seen gold colored anodizing before. I am surprised many times by the
number of performance products that don't take the time to treat the
aluminum alloys like they should. but then when you work in the aerospace
industry, like I do, we pay more attention to these things.

Scott

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Drew Beatty [SMTP:dcbeatty rmi.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 1:28 PM
> To: 'Ford Truck List'
> Cc: 'Performance list'
> Subject: FTE Perf - stained intake
>
> So I washed the truck motor, and now my Edelbrock intake has brown stains
> where the water puddle up. I've taken gasoline stains out with Brakecleen,
>
> but it doesn't seem to phase these stains. How can I clean them up???
>
> TIA
>
> Drew Beatty
> dcbeatty rmi.net
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 16:46:46 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Headers

Sleddog wrote:
>
> i personally think yes. but it will be hard to get one that is of good
> quality i think. headers rust out fast, many times have sealing problems,
> increase underhood temps sometimes, and even are louder sometimes.
>
> i would expect better performance/mileage though thru the better scavenging
> effects of headers over manifolds.
>
> sleddog
>
> ----------
> From: Parsons, Raymond[SMTP:parsonsr denver-rmn.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 12:15 PM
> To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE Perf - Headers
>
> I am running a 340 HP 352 in my 67 F250 C/S with a high-perf 3" exhaust
> (single exhaust due to saddle tank) with a FlowMaster muffler (this was a
> great improvement over the stock exhaust!). Would I benefit from a set of
> headers, or am I better off just running the stock exhaust manifolds? I
> only use the truck to pull a 6500 lb horse trailer and pull up into the
> mountains frequently.
> Ray
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>
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Try bassani...not sure if they carry anything for old trucks, maybe
borla....they both are made of 100% stainless steel!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 18:07:43 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Headers

my L&L's are stainless coated, but rusty now. my stainless pipes on my
motorcyle have lettle rust, but stainless offers another problem. anywhere
you touch them, you must clean with a solvent to remove the oils. where
there is oils, there will be discoloration. usually blue. the blue can be
removed, but better to be careful first.

sleddog

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From: Garr&Pam[SMTP:garrpam netgsi.com]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 12:46 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Headers

Sleddog wrote:
>
> i personally think yes. but it will be hard to get one that is of good
> quality i think. headers rust out fast, many times have sealing
problems,
> increase underhood temps sometimes, and even are louder sometimes.
>
> i would expect better performance/mileage though thru the better
scavenging
> effects of headers over manifolds.
>
> sleddog
>
> ----------
> From: Parsons, Raymond[SMTP:parsonsr denver-rmn.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 12:15 PM
> To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: FTE Perf - Headers
>
> I am running a 340 HP 352 in my 67 F250 C/S with a high-perf 3" exhaust
> (single exhaust due to saddle tank) with a FlowMaster muffler (this was a
> great improvement over the stock exhaust!). Would I benefit from a set
of
> headers, or am I better off just running the stock exhaust manifolds? I
> only use the truck to pull a 6500 lb horse trailer and pull up into the
> mountains frequently.
> Ray
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>
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Try bassani...not sure if they carry anything for old trucks, maybe
borla....they both are made of 100% stainless steel!
Chris
94 Lightning #381
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:46:54 -0000
From: "John R. Mohme"
Subject: FTE Perf - BFG 285-16-75 AT's (Trying Again)

Just installed BFG 295/16 AT's on American Eagle 589's Saturday on my
'99 F-250SD 5.4L 2x. They fit perfectly with no suspension modifications.
No "hits" lock to lock when turning, in fact, clearance is only 1/4" less
than 265's on Ford "Alcoas". Vertical travel remains well clear at the
bumper, even at full turn, approximately 1" less than the 265's.

I am, however, adding coils which will increase the front end lift 2", and
are stiffer to prevent sag, to "flatten" the truck's look. They are....


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