perf-list-digest Sunday, August 16 1998 Volume 01 : Number 060



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - K&N Filters
Re: Re: FTE Perf - Expected gas mileage?
FTE Perf - Re: It's alive
FTE Perf - First pull on new engine
RE: FTE Perf - Re: It's alive
Re: Re: FTE Perf - Expected gas mileage?
Re: FTE Perf - Expected gas mileage?
RE: FTE Perf - Re: It's alive
FTE Perf - Re: It's alive
Re: FTE Perf - Re: It's alive
Re: Re: FTE Perf - Expected gas mileage?

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 06:52:41 -0700
From: "George"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - K&N Filters

They do work and provide the best high-flow filtering I've seen. My issue is
that there's a price for that flow on street applications; increased oil
contamination. For the racer after that last HP and ft lb of torque, that's
not a problem as rebuilds are part of the game. If I were running pure
competition, I'd use K&N. I was joshing Gary on the oil treatments and plugs
after his reply about the marketing vocabulary (microns, one million miles,
etc.) K&N and many other firms use.

George Miller



I don,t think my K&N filter is going to last a million miles as K&N claims,
but I believe it's a quality product that is worth the money. I used to have
a 1 1600 Desert racing buggy w/ K&N on it .After a 500 mile race you tap
it on the garage floor to knock the big stuff off & reinstall it. We would
clean & re-oil it at the end of the season. At the time (8yrs. ago) Iwould
say 90% of the cars on the track ran K&Ns but I don't think any of them had
Splitfires or Miracle Engine Treatment installed. Being as K&N didn't have a
contigency program the only reason we used them is because they work.

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 06:57:25 -0700
From: "George"
Subject: Re: Re: FTE Perf - Expected gas mileage?

Don't know. Somebody else said 4400 for a non-extended cab. 3200 sounds very
light.

George Miller



In a message dated 8/14/98 2:21:04 PM, you wrote:


Until

it

reaches a speed of 25 mph it doesn't really take off. It has been tuned

up

by the dealer and runs perfectly -- so does anybody have an idea?



That engine is rated at around 200HP w/less than 300ft lbs of torque and

you're moving close to 5,000 lbs of truck. It's not going to to give you

impressive launches no matter how well it's tuned.

>>
Fellow Mail List Readers:
This is one reply that I received regarding my '94 F-150 Supercab 4x2 LWB
equipped with the 302 cid/5.0 liter engine and 4 speed auto transmission.

But - - I just today received the new license plate and registration for
this
truck from the NM MVD. The weight shown on the registration is 3,200
pounds.
Could that be right?
This subscriber mentions "close to 5,000 lbs of truck" certainly a large
discrepancy. Which weight is right for this truck?

Bill Robinson
Albuquerque, NM
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 07:33:14 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: It's alive

The Sleddog monster runs. Cool!
Your comment about electric H2O pumps is an astute observation. After some
testing a short time back and testing all of these type pumps it was
discovered that none of them move enough H2O to even become close to
effective on an engine that actually both makes power and runs more then 10
seconds; that includes idling as you wait your turn.
In your application you would be better served by the stock type pomp and a
set of underdrive pulleys.
Sell the electric pump to a drag-racer that don't know any better.

FWIW.
As a rule:
Don't run underdrive pulleys on anything but a serious street or track toy.
The slower pump speed reduces cooling capability at a given engine RPM.
Lower revs, under 2500 RPM, and the low pump speed can lead to a higher
operating temp. The higher temp may not lead to "Over-heating" but it may
lead to pre-ignition/detonation problems.
There are exceptions to this but generally...

CS

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:53:47 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE Perf - First pull on new engine

well, the engine is still running hot. started my pull at almost 200,
finished at 230-235.

it was real lean. my carb is too small, but i'll need to live with that
till i can afford a dom. it runs WAY TOO LEAN TOO! gonna have to put in
some jets, probly go up from the 70/80 i have to 82/92 or something like
that. maybe 84/92. this is all new to me. no experience to draw on
really.

the lean condition could be making the hot temp worse. so i'll see what
happens after the jets are in.

as for the way she runs - this is the most motor i ever built! it responds
at 5000 like my other engines do at 2000 rpm. there is no hesitation, no
stumbles, just a engine that wants to spin. i think it'll run a good
7500-8000 with no complaints.

since it was running lean, and it was first pull on engine and truck, i
babied it (yes, i am a pussy when it comes to blowing up something this
expensive right away...) feel like i could've placed top three easy if i
woulda twisted its tail.

may end up running some AN lines from the back of the head to the front to
help cooling. i think that with this it will run cool even with the
electric pump. first, i rejet, then work on temp control.

still need to get alternator on. MSD drain battery fast, and so does the
elect fan, water pump, fuel pump, lights, etc.

The other thing i really need is a locker for the front, as the welded diff
means locking and unlocking hub before after pull and it aint easy. all
that twist in the drivetrain means i can't shift T-case after pull, and it
don't steer in 4wd.

truck itself went down track smooth, easy, no bounce, jitters, wallow,
vibration, etc.

all in all i am very happy with what i built so far. with some tuning and
reworking of some small things i think i have a winner.

too bad i forgot to start the recording tach :(

till next time, same bat time, same bat station...

sleddog

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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:34:01 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Re: It's alive

not going to get rid of the electric pump yet. though it seems like the
smart thing to do. then i could actually mount the alternator and PS w.out
major fanglage.

See post on first pull for more temp info.

sleddog

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From: Chris Samuel[SMTP:fourmuelz email.msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 1998 10:33 AM
To: Perf-List
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: It's alive

The Sleddog monster runs. Cool!
Your comment about electric H2O pumps is an astute observation. After some
testing a short time back and testing all of these type pumps it was
discovered that none of them move enough H2O to even become close to
effective on an engine that actually both makes power and runs more then 10
seconds; that includes idling as you wait your turn.
In your application you would be better served by the stock type pomp and a
set of underdrive pulleys.
Sell the electric pump to a drag-racer that don't know any better.



FWIW.
As a rule:
Don't run underdrive pulleys on anything but a serious street or track toy.
The slower pump speed reduces cooling capability at a given engine RPM.
Lower revs, under 2500 RPM, and the low pump speed can lead to a higher
operating temp. The higher temp may not lead to "Over-heating" but it may
lead to pre-ignition/detonation problems.
There are exceptions to this but generally...

CS

We are all victims of our education.


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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 10:17:13 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: Re: FTE Perf - Expected gas mileage?

>Fellow Mail List Readers:
>This is one reply that I received regarding my '94 F-150 Supercab 4x2 LWB
>equipped with the 302 cid/5.0 liter engine and 4 speed auto transmission.
>
>But - - I just today received the new license plate and registration for this
>truck from the NM MVD. The weight shown on the registration is 3,200 pounds.
>Could that be right?
>This subscriber mentions "close to 5,000 lbs of truck" certainly a large
>discrepancy. Which weight is right for this truck?


FWIW, my '71 F100 flairside (short wheelbase) with FE390 weighed in
at 3980lbs totally empty. (about 3 gallons of gas)

I don't know what a '94 F150 LWB supercab weighs, but I'd guess that
moving down the road with a driver, full tank of gas and a few tools
and stuff that it weighs a lot closer to 5000 lbs than 3200...

Steve
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 14:35:01 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Expected gas mileage?

Also, I am quite surprised at how slow this vehicle is off the line.
Until it reaches a speed of 25 mph it doesn't really take off. It has
been tuned up by the dealer and runs perfectly -- so does anybody have
an idea?

That engine is rated at around 200HP w/less than 300ft lbs of torque and
you're moving close to 5,000 lbs of truck. It's not going to to give you
impressive launches no matter how well it's tuned.

This is one reply that I received regarding my '94 F-150 Supercab 4x2
LWB equipped with the 302 cid/5.0 liter engine and 4 speed auto
transmission. But - - I just today received the new license plate and
registration for this truck from the NM MVD. The weight shown on the
registration is 3,200 pounds. Could that be right?
This subscriber mentions "close to 5,000 lbs of truck" certainly a
large discrepancy. Which weight is right for this truck?


My ranger Splash weighed 3500lbs, and my Lightning weighs about 4300lbs
i cant see anyway that your truck can weigh less than my F150 less alone
a ranger!!! Take it to a scale and weigh it.
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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 15:08:58 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Re: It's alive

When it comes to big stroked, big bore, big blocks, with big power and big
rpms my education is just really beginning. I think my wallet is the
biggest victim though.

sleddog

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From: Chris Samuel[SMTP:fourmuelz email.msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 1998 10:33 AM
To: Perf-List
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: It's alive


We are all victims of our education.






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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:01:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: It's alive

Congrats Sleddog on your creation! I think when you get the
jetting straight it'll run a bit cooler.
Hey, can I borrow the engine, drop it in my 68 Fairlane wagon and
make a few 1.4 mile passes? :)


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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 17:07:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: It's alive

make a few 1.4 mile passes? :)

I meant 1/4 mile passes! Durn typos!



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Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 19:11:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: Re: Re: FTE Perf - Expected gas mileage?

>truck from the NM MVD. The weight shown on the registration is 3,200 pounds.
>Could that be right?
>This subscriber mentions "close to 5,000 lbs of truck" certainly a large
>discrepancy. Which weight is right for this truck?
>


Yes, It is, My 63 weighs in at 3800lbs at the dump scales, and I
weigh 180, It *ain't* that rusted......

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox
'94 Taurus SHO - SWMBO's new car!!....


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