perf-list-digest Saturday, July 11 1998 Volume 01 : Number 024



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - best muffler?
FTE Perf - Lincoln Rear
RE: FTE Perf - best muffler?
RE: FTE Perf - best muffler - best exhaust system
RE: FTE Perf - best muffler?
Re: FTE Perf - Lincoln Rear
RE: FTE Perf - Lincoln Rear
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Server went down
Re: FTE Perf - Lincoln Rear
Re: FTE Perf - Lincoln Rear
RE: FTE Perf - best muffler?
RE: FTE Perf - best muffler?

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 9:29:58 +0000
From: tfmf211 murphyfarms.com
Subject: FTE Perf - best muffler?

Thanks Sleddog!

I'm looking at this setup for mine.

Later,

-Ted
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>>i used the normal borla turbo muffler 2.5 in and 2.5 out. about $90 i
think when i bought them. sound quality is still good (mind you for the
last 2+ years i haven't used it for anything other than pulling and an
occasional jaunt down the street.)

no rust or deteriation. only dents from rocks.

sleddog
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:33:21 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE Perf - Lincoln Rear

One thing that I wondered on this, is it from the Versailles or the Town
Car?

The Versailles has the wimpy 28 spline axles and works really well in
'Stangs. It would be a little light for hard use in a truck. If it's
from a Town Car, I am not certain, but it should be a 31 spline, and I
read somewhere that Ford use somed sort of Gleason-type differential in
some '80's Town Cars. I wish I could remember where I read it. Does
anyone else remember anything about this?

> Hi gang ran across a nice Lincoln 9" rear end complete assembly with disc
> brakes today at the boneyard for $175.00. Does this sound good? I don't
> need it right now so I thought I would pass it on to everyone. If it's good
> enough I just might buy it for safe keeping.... what do you all think? If
> anyone needs it let me know privately and I'll give you the info...

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Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 23:12:07 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - best muffler?

can you tell us more?

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From: Steve & Rockette[SMTP:canzus seanet.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 3:43 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - best muffler?



Fun facts to Know and tell:

Dynomax uses non pulsed flow numbers, ie: straight flow, to test their
mufflers. Flowmaster requires a pulsed flow, just like a real engine, to
get the correct flow capability out of their mufflers. So, the Dynomax is
going to appear to be a higher flowing muffler, BUT the Flowmaster
will start to scavenge the exaust gasses in a real vehicle, where the
Dynomax won't....

We found this out with a stock car on a chassis dyno, a couple of years
ago. Pretty cool, huh?

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox
'94 Taurus SHO - SWMBO's new car!!
and since most are listing all thier cars:
'72 Capri - Rockette's Toy, aka - SWMBO
'73 Capri - My Toy / Daily Driver
'73 MGB-GT Our Toy
'70 Torino GT My "New" Car


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:52:28 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - best muffler - best exhaust system

well you went thru alot more than most people can/will to find a muffler
they like, or the best muffler.

i'd like to see tests like this done in a controled manner and include
trucks like yours and some bigger beasts too. see what kind of difference
there is then.

sleddog

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From: Mike Schwall[SMTP:mschwall texas.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 1998 11:53 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - best muffler - best exhaust system

So we dropped some coin and bought several mufflers: Flowmaster 3 chamber,
Thrush, and the Dynomax turbo. We tried each muffler on the test vehicle -
an '82 F150 with a 351W with auto trans. The engine was not race prepped or
anything, just a basic stock engine with a mild cam (something like 218/218
duration - I don't remember the lift) and Edelbrock performer RPM, Holley
600 CFM w/vac secondaries, and (cheap) Headman headers. We "Y" 'd the
headers to make one exhaust pipe so we didn't have to buy two of each type
muffler. We used 3" pipe between the "Y" pipe and muffler, and the same
diameter pipe out the end of the muffler and had it bent to curve out
toward the side of the truck. We then went to the local drag strip (Alamo
Dragway) and ran two passes per muffler. The times were not that great to
begin with - high 16's. We averaged out the two passes then compared it
between the mufflers. There was no definite better muffler - all the times
were pretty close. The Flowmaster went faster then the thrush (not by
much) and the Dynomax and Flowmaster were pretty close. Wish I would have
kept the time slips. The Dynomax had shorter times than the Flowmaster
(discalimer: but not by much). So we figured the Dynomax design was a
little more efficient than the others and assumed they must flow better.
And they are a more streetable muffler (quiet when you want it and loud
when you need it).


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:01:03 -0700
From: Danny Gaudenti
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - best muffler?

> Fun facts to Know and tell:
>
> Dynomax uses non pulsed flow numbers, ie: straight flow, to test their
>mufflers. Flowmaster requires a pulsed flow, just like a real engine, to
>get the correct flow capability out of their mufflers. So, the Dynomax is
>going to appear to be a higher flowing muffler, BUT the Flowmaster
>will start to scavenge the exaust gasses in a real vehicle, where the
>Dynomax won't....
>
> We found this out with a stock car on a chassis dyno, a couple of years
>ago. Pretty cool, huh?

That is exactly what Flowmaster claims, maybe it's true?!? I've got a
technical description of how their mufflers (and exhaust systems) work. I
can email it to anyone interested, or post it.

And thanks for all the replies to my "best muffler?" question. I'm certain
that whatever I end up buying will be gobs better than the stock muffler.

Danny

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 09:34:45 -0700
From: "George"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Lincoln Rear

It's my understanding that the last 31 spline Lincoln axle was made in '77.
Haven't heard about a Gleason-type differential. What is it?

- -----Original Message-----
From: William L Ballinger
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, July 10, 1998 8:40 AM
Subject: FTE Perf - Lincoln Rear


One thing that I wondered on this, is it from the Versailles or the Town
Car?

The Versailles has the wimpy 28 spline axles and works really well in
'Stangs. It would be a little light for hard use in a truck. If it's
from a Town Car, I am not certain, but it should be a 31 spline, and I
read somewhere that Ford use somed sort of Gleason-type differential in
some '80's Town Cars. I wish I could remember where I read it. Does
anyone else remember anything about this?

> Hi gang ran across a nice Lincoln 9" rear end complete assembly with disc
> brakes today at the boneyard for $175.00. Does this sound good? I don't
> need it right now so I thought I would pass it on to everyone. If it's
good
> enough I just might buy it for safe keeping.... what do you all think? If
> anyone needs it let me know privately and I'll give you the info...

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Come on over to my Back Porch
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 14:00:36 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Lincoln Rear

it is a diff using worm gears and no clutch plates providing a limited
speed difference between each side. look in the archives - we had a thread
on this awhile ago on the 61-79 list. more than once i think.

i had one in my dana 44 front till i blew it apart. till that time i think
it was the best differential i ever had on the street, off road, pulling,
snow, mud, rocks, whatever. just wasn't strong enough for me.

sleddog

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From: George[SMTP:maga55 ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Friday, July 10, 1998 12:34 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Lincoln Rear

It's my understanding that the last 31 spline Lincoln axle was made in '77.
Haven't heard about a Gleason-type differential. What is it?



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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 17:59:02 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Server went down

Our server was down this afternoon for a couple of hours.
If anyone tried posting then, chances are good your post
is lost. Give it an hour or so, if the post doesn't show
up, try again.

Ken Payne
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 21:01:40 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Lincoln Rear

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> From: William L Ballinger
> One thing that I wondered on this, is it from the Versailles or the Town
> Car?


It's from a Town Car, I had to stand and watch the poor thing get crushed
complete with 460 and C6, I was able to talk them into stopping long enough
to cut the rear end out for me though. On this day they had crushed along
the lines of twenty (yes 20) Lincolns. I was sad and Pi#$^# to say the
least. They now have the understanding to call me first, but how many more
Lincolns are going to come along to this quasi country junkyard? The owner
explained to me that they are in the process of making room for more "late
model" cars.... I told him " well now you will have a real junkyard". They
do have several F series trucks with a small amount of parts, I think I
found a T18, I need more identification info before I go back on Monday. Oh
yes, I almost forgot, I have decided to go ahead and purchase the rear end.
For now I will hold on to it as I might get to start on my Hot Rod Truck,
with the DIVE block and DOVE-C heads, I have the radiator I want now too,
hmmmm just have to sort out my day dreams and decide on a truck to use.....
Hmmmmmmmm ahhhhh ..... does any body know of Walter Middy (spelling).... I
think I was reincarnated from him...... :)

However if someone does have an immediate need for the rear end drop me a
line.... Could make SWMBO happy, mine that is...:) She is starting to look
at me real funny.....

p.s. my 96 is now up on the photos page...... :)


John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver "Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:00:57 -0700
From: "George"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Lincoln Rear

However if someone does have an immediate need for the rear end drop me a
line.... Could make SWMBO happy, mine that is...:) She is starting to look
at me real funny.....

That's the look that precedes the hints about jewelry.

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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:44:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - best muffler?

At 11:12 PM 9/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
>can you tell us more?
>

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox
'94 Taurus SHO - SWMBO's new car!!
and since most are listing all thier cars:
'72 Capri - Rockette's Toy, aka - SWMBO
'73 Capri - My Toy / Daily Driver
'73 MGB-GT Our Toy
'70 Torino GT My "New" Car


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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:18:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - best muffler?

At 07:44 PM 10/7/98 -0700, you wrote:
>At 11:12 PM 9/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
>>can you tell us more?
>>
>
>Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach

This is a screw up.....

Sorry guys, I brain faded there, won't happen again, I promise.

Here's the scoop, 351W, 9:1, 4bbl heads, pocket ported, smoothed
exaust, equal length headers, 14" collector extentions reducing to
2 1/2" pipe, 30" run to the mufflers. First we got a baseline, with no
mufflers, just straight pipes out the sides, 433HP at 6800RPM (peak HP)
and noisy as all h*ll. Dynomax mufflers installed, 432HP at 6800RPM
and kinda eerily quiet, switched to the Flowmaster 3 chamber, 438HP
at 6800RPM, better, but not a huge gain, kinda quiet too, last was the
Flowmaster 2 chamber, got 442HP at 6800RPM, with an acceptable
noise level, what do you think we ran? This was in a competitive 69
Fairlane Bomber. Way too much fun.

Wish I was still on that team.......

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox
'94 Taurus SHO - SWMBO's new car!!....


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