perf-list-digest Monday, June 22 1998 Volume 01 : Number 002



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - 351 M
FTE Perf - K&N Filtercharger for '98 Ranger (fwd)
FTE Perf - Hello truck rodders!
RE: FTE Perf - Hello truck rodders!
RE: FTE Perf - K&N Filtercharger for '98 Ranger (fwd)
FTE Perf - Away for a Week
FTE Perf - Y-block distributors - Neal Forbes
FTE Perf - tranny fluid temperature
FTE Perf - 351M
FTE Perf - 351M
RE: FTE Perf - 460 cam
Re: FTE Perf - K&N Filtercharger for '98 Ranger (fwd)

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:51:06 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 351 M

>>Sorry can't help you there as I have little experience with that
>series. I am however looking for the Ford performance list to get off
>the ground. I have a 75 F100 with a 360 soon to be a 390 and am
>looking for good street performance. I also have a 68 Fairlane with a
>351 W (1973 vintage) coming apart for for a valve job soon.

The key to good performance is maximizing a combinatiom to run at the rpm
level you run at. Each type of application has it's needs. Some applications
will overlap but willl require a compromise at one end or the other of the
powerband to be used for both. Racing combinations are very different from
street ones.
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A good example is the 351C. The 351C Boss is a bolt in racing engine(that
needs a little help in the durability area, but geez, what a screamer) that
works well with a 4-speed, or loose converter, and low gears, in a light
car. You put it in a truck(or heavy car) with street gears and a workable
street converter, it's slow as smoke off a turd. The '70 351C 2bbl (became
the "Aussie" head, it had the small quench chambers and smaller ports and
valves. Ford only offered it in the U.S. in "70) was a much better engine
for the street. I had one in a '70 GT Ranchero. I put a 500 Holley 2bbl on
it and it was done. I smoked a few modified cars with it. It ran real well
from 1500 to 5200 rpms and then dropped off. That's street power. The Boss
on the other hand didn't get going until 3000. Yeah, at 5200 it was just
warming up, but streeter doesn't have to go up there much. If it did it
would no longer be a streeter, it would be a racer.

The 351M is really in it's heart a 2bbl Cleveland, but it has the open
chamber heads that really suck for high-performance applications. They are
fine for street work though. First you have to set goals, a realistic
powerband that you want to run well in and build it to do that. If 275 to
300 hp in the 1500 to 5200 range will work for you, an aluminum intake and
headers with a good mild performance cam will work. A caveat here is tell
the cam manufacturer what you are running and let them recommend a cam. Two
cams with the same duration and lift specs can be very different by virtue
of their timed events. There are a lot of guys who have given up all of the
good things their motor had to gain a theoretical 15 hp on top (when the
plugs aren't fouled)because they overestimated the need of their engine to
breathe at the upper end, and didn't tailor the cam to what their induction
combiation was really doing at "working" speed.

The 351-400M has always had a few problems to watch for in towing and high
performance work. The bores and decks are thin and sometimes poorly cast, a
"sounding" is a must for any overbore on these engines. If it's questionable
get another block, one that's never beem overheated.(and make sure you never
overheat yours) It may take a couple of tries to get one that can be bored
.030 safely, but you'll be glad you went to the trouble. The oiling system
is just like a 351C, with it's same problems for high rpms. A truck
application doesn't need to go above 5200 anyway, so it shouldn't be a
problem. You want torque and mid-range to make the right ankle happy.

A combiation to make 350-400hp would require a set of aussie heads and a
more radical cam more intake and oiling mods. It wouldn't be a good truck
engine anymore unless you geared it like a freight train. If you want that
kind of power go with a 460. It will do it much better and get better
mileage and longevity.
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I will always love the 390FE, because I ran the living s*it out of them when
I was a kid. I've seen them making 500 hp in a stock car, and I've seen them
get 25 mpg on the highway in granny's p*ss-green Galaxie(using the same
block crank, and head castings, the stock car had 13.0 to 1 compression
custom 2.11 intake and 1.66 exhausts, pocket porting but the runners were
stock). That's a versatile engine. It doesn't take anything to get 350
reliable hp out of one. An aluminum intake knocks off over 50 lbs and gets
the weight down to small-block territory. It's a forgiving engine as far as
cams go, but you should still tailor it to what you use it for. The oiling
system needs work if you plan to go over 5200. These mods can be done by any
competent machinist and little hardware. It's about redirecting the oil to
the crank instead of the lifters and valvetrain.

The '67 to '70 rounded chamber heads are the best for street use, and can be
fitted with 2.09 / 1.65 valves. The Edelbrock 390 RPM aluminum head is
patterned after this combination, you can read about it on their website.
These heads save another 50 lbs, but I'm a little bit leery of them for
everyday stop and go use. They would be great for a weekend warrior.

The '66 to '70 blocks are a little better than the later ones, but not
enough to really matter for normal use. "Sound" it anyway, just to be sure.

These are basics, I can recommend a more specific combination if you could
tell me what you plan to use it for.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:29:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ryan Tourge
Subject: FTE Perf - K&N Filtercharger for '98 Ranger (fwd)

Do they make the filtercharger kt for '98 3.0L? I know they make a
replacement filter, but what about the filter charge kit.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:24:40 -0400
From: "Neal B. Forbes"
Subject: FTE Perf - Hello truck rodders!

Hello fellow trukkies! Let's all get acquainted in these first few days. I
have a 54 F100 (the Hot Heap) that runs a 292 YBlock. I have headers and
duals so far and am in the process of obtaining a 4bbl manifold and carb to
replace the stock deuce. My ignition is points--I have not had any luck
getting it to run on a Mallory Unilite. Is there any way to test to see if
I got a bad unit? I don't have the need for high rpm performance, (all I
ever do is a little Saturday night tire smokin') but I like the idea of the
improved precision of electronics. I am told that I can also run a Blaster
coil for hotter spark and better power without the points burning up. Does
anybody else run electronic and what do you run? Neal Forbes

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:49:50 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Hello truck rodders!

sounds like a nice truck. i personally don't like mallory stuff and have
seen too many people with problems. (i have had one problem with MSD, but
they fixed for free.)

what you need to do is call mallory (call summit to get number if you don't
have it) and ask for tech/service. they should be able to tell you how to
test it. my MSD pickup went bad and it is tested by checking ohms accross
it.

you can get a blaster coil, but you must get the one for points ignition.

i run a MSD destruibuter with the mech advance locked out and no vacuum
advance, thru a MSD timing computer and MSD-6AL ignition unit on my 460
with a blaster coil. i will be removing this to put on my new bigger &
better engine and going back to a duraspark in my old engine to save $$$.

i think you will like electronic ignition once it works. i think the
mallory unit uses a light beam, the MSD uses a magnetic pickup for sure.

sleddog

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From: Neal B. Forbes[SMTP:jawbreaker harborcom.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 1998 11:24 AM
To: performance list
Subject: FTE Perf - Hello truck rodders!

Hello fellow trukkies! Let's all get acquainted in these first few days.
I
have a 54 F100 (the Hot Heap) that runs a 292 YBlock. I have headers and
duals so far and am in the process of obtaining a 4bbl manifold and carb to
replace the stock deuce. My ignition is points--I have not had any luck
getting it to run on a Mallory Unilite. Is there any way to test to see if
I got a bad unit? I don't have the need for high rpm performance, (all I
ever do is a little Saturday night tire smokin') but I like the idea of the
improved precision of electronics. I am told that I can also run a Blaster
coil for hotter spark and better power without the points burning up.
Does
anybody else run electronic and what do you run? Neal Forbes

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:50:47 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - K&N Filtercharger for '98 Ranger (fwd)

call summit and ask: 1-800-230-3030. if they don't know, ask for K&N number and call them.

sleddog

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From: Ryan Tourge[SMTP:rtourge superior.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 1998 7:29 AM
To: Performance mailing list
Subject: FTE Perf - K&N Filtercharger for '98 Ranger (fwd)


Do they make the filtercharger kt for '98 3.0L? I know they make a
replacement filter, but what about the filter charge kit.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 12:27:55 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE Perf - Away for a Week

I will be away from home for the rest of the week. I'll be back Friday. I
didn't want anyone to wonder why I'm not replying to their mail.
Come on over to my Back Porch
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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 13:21:32 -0500
From: "wild.bunch"
Subject: FTE Perf - Y-block distributors - Neal Forbes

Neal: Make sure you have a 57 - up distributor. The older Holley
Load-a-matics are NOT the ticket for performance. I have used a 60 truck
distributor in two Ys (54 F 100): a 239 and a 272. This particular one has
20 crank degrees in the distributor and I set the initial at 15 - 17. It
gives very snappy performance. It still has points and I use an old Judson
electronic CD with an Accel Super Coil. All works well. I had two MSD 6s go
out on me, plus the ones that I recommended to a friend and to my Dad. After
4 of them, I don't trust any of that stuff. When something goes out in the
middle of the New Mexico countryside, it can be a real crisis! If you run a
hotter coil, you will need some electronic interface, because they will
increase the point current.
I have been considering a Holley Pro-Jection, so may have to convert to
later Frod distributor innards, which you can do with the 57 - up unit. I
run a 57 Holley 4150 (390 cfm) with the 57 manifold. I think this
combination is much better than the old 2v from drivability, performance,
and milage.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 16:44:05 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE Perf - tranny fluid temperature

hello,

does anybody know what temperature ATF SHOULD be run at? i have info on
life expectancy at different temps, but too cold may not be good either.
anyone?

TIA
sleddog

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:46:40 -0500
From: Jim Craig
Subject: FTE Perf - 351M

Come on guys, let's get this list off to a start!

As for your 351M. It depends on what type of performance you're after. For
good all around fun, any aftermarket dual plane manifold should be more than
adequate. Some people swear by Edelbrock performance parts. I'd have to
agree that the manifolds, both Performer and RPM flow well, but when you
goto a show it seems that almost everyone has one. I've heard rumors that
Weiand manifolds flow better than the Edelbrocks, but I have yet to find
conclusive proof of that.

Going back to your camshaft, I can only tell you of one NOT to buy i.e.,
unless you're after only bottom-end torque. I put the Performer plus in my
351M, and to say the least it had a huge amount of torque under 2500 RPM.
My truck had no problem running w/1200lbs of concrete in the bed while
pulling a small tractor. Only problem was she ran outta breath at 3500
RPM--not the best for acceleration :-)

Let's see if Dave R. is listening....He's the one you need to talk to!

Jimbo
'77 Supercab 460



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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:56:57 -0500
From: Jim Craig
Subject: FTE Perf - 351M

I would like a recommendation on a camshaft. I have a 1969 Ford 460. The
block has been bored .030" and Keith Black pistons, providing a compression
ratio of 9.2:1 installed. The cylinder heads are stock production D*VE
heads, resurfaced with stock size valves.

This engine powers a 2WD 1977 Ford Supercab through a C6 with a wide ratio
gearset (2.72 low and 1.54 intermediate with 1:1 final ratios).

I am in search of a hydraulic camshaft providing very strong midrange with
increased RPM potential. This engine will not be subjected to towing, so I
have no desire to increase low-end torque. The main goal I have of this
engine is to accelerate my truck as quickly as possible from zero to sixty.
A somewhat loopy idle is preferred.

Jimbo
'77 Supercab 460


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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 23:31:36 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 460 cam

ok, you want max acceleration, but with the lower CR, and stock heads, you
will be putting an unmatched combo together with anything bigger than
something like a 292 comp cams grind. i have this cam, and a crower 22205
in a bit more built 460's. the 292 with a 4-speed, and the crower with a
c6. the crower is a bit smaller, but both cams have good midrange and lopy
idle. the 292 i have is retarded 4 deg and this engine will run 6500 rpm's
with a weind stealth and a 750 carter (now, no carb at all) the crower
makes more power below 3000 rpm. i hope this is some help to you. i
hesitate to recommend a cam as my prefferences are max power at any cost.
many people may not be happy with an engine that is unresponsive below
2000 rpm, and doesn't pull hard till 3000 rpm.

if you call cam companies for recommendations i think you will be happier
going one or two sizes bigger than their recommendations. although
ultradyne seams to be pretty good at recommending cams. they are more $$$,
but they are better!!!

sleddog

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From: Jim Craig[SMTP:jcraig nations.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 1998 11:56 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - 351M

I would like a recommendation on a camshaft. I have a 1969 Ford 460. The
block has been bored .030" and Keith Black pistons, providing a compression
ratio of 9.2:1 installed. The cylinder heads are stock production D*VE
heads, resurfaced with stock size valves.

This engine powers a 2WD 1977 Ford Supercab through a C6 with a wide ratio
gearset (2.72 low and 1.54 intermediate with 1:1 final ratios).

I am in search of a hydraulic camshaft providing very strong midrange with
increased RPM potential. This engine will not be subjected to towing, so I
have no desire to increase low-end torque. The main goal I have of this
engine is to accelerate my truck as quickly as possible from zero to sixty.
A somewhat loopy idle is preferred.

Jimbo
'77 Supercab 460


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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 22:47:26 -0500
From: "Parker Brooks"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - K&N Filtercharger for '98 Ranger (fwd)

goto their site. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.motorville.com/kn_home/kn.html


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From: Sleddog
To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Sunday, June 21, 1998 11:47 AM
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - K&N Filtercharger for '98 Ranger (fwd)


>call summit and ask: 1-800-230-3030. if they don't know, ask for K&N
number and call them.
>
>sleddog
>
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>From: Ryan Tourge[SMTP:rtourge superior.net]
>Sent: Sunday, June 21, 1998 7:29 AM
>To: Performance mailing list
>Subject: FTE Perf - K&N Filtercharger for '98 Ranger (fwd)
>
>
>Do they make the filtercharger kt for '98 3.0L? I know they make a
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