perf-list-digest Tuesday, July 7 1998 Volume 01 : Number 019



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Re: Speed-Density Blues
Re: FTE Perf - What's going into the Bronco?
RE: FTE Perf - What's going into the Bronco?
FTE Perf - 302-351
Re: FTE Perf - 302-351
RE: FTE Perf - Edelbrock Carbs
RE: FTE Perf - What's going into the Bronco?
FTE Perf - FE cams
FTE Perf - Rear end needs
FTE Perf - Engine ID
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Expanded products page, 100s of items
FTE Perf - FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Forgot the URL!

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 08:50:48 -0500
From: "warren"
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Speed-Density Blues

> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 09:06:49 -0500
> From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
> Subject: FTE Perf - Speed-Density Blues

> I'd bet that a 5.0 Mass-Air set-up could be adapted to the six, but I
> wouldn't know the step-by-step, and visual smog checks could be a
problem.

I missed the original thread, but if you are looking to do a mass air
conversion for a six, it may be easier to adapt an EEC-IV system off of a
90-94 3.0L V6 as found on the Aerostar, Ranger, and Taurus.

Warren Kurtz
Kurtz Kustomz Motorsports
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 07:14:49 -0700
From: "George"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - What's going into the Bronco?

The extra weight of the B.Blk was a penalty, the truck certainly did get up
the hill, but my truck came up with half the effort, faster, less wheel
spin. This happened repeatedly, regardless of driver. Hey, we were both
amazed!


I had a traction problem with the 460 (not a mudder, just pulling logs
out of the woods with deep mud/snow on the ground) and went to a 700rpm
stall t/c. That solved it as the torque went directly to the axles at
off-idle instead of chasing the rpms until the t/c finally locked up. I've
since found that a lot of wheelers getting stuck or experiencing excessive
wheelspin are using long duration cams and 'street' t/cs that don't get
started until 2,000/2,500 rpm.

These are the real trick parts in this engine. I ported these suckers
to with in an inch of their life, tested this work on my flow bench, added a
set of 4BBL valves

You're in the biz, which manufacturer's valves do you recommend?

Yes we still have the issue that no-one makes a set for this chassis that is
worth the $$ to ship them somewhere else! After 6 months of Fabrication I
have a set! 1.75" x 42" long into custom collectors, both of which are
above the Trans. K/Member on the Pass side. and the pass side is routed
above the frame rail and comes nowhere near the Starter motor!


When the weather gets above 100 degrees, I have a cooling problem. I
think it's mostly attributable to the headers (2.5" exhaust from the
collectors and 16" turbos) as I run a four core radiator, remote trans
cooler, aggressive pitch six blade fan and 50/50 coolant mixture. With a 180
degree thermostat, it likes to run at 190 and will get up to 205/210 if I'm
stuck in traffic. Forget running the a/c. Anybody have any
thoughts/solutions on that?

Sounds like you're going to have a killer rig but I'm sorry to hear
about your beer budget.


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 10:17:41 -0500
From: Sean Winters
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - What's going into the Bronco?

Sorry, man...gotta ask.

What is SWMBO. I'm sure it's the wife, but what exactly does it stand
for???

Sean Winters

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Actually, no beer, at even that cash is going in the Bronco!
To illustrate just how bad it is SWMBO noted that my Beer intake for the
year can be counted in bottles, not cases!
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:50:34 -0700
From: "JayF"
Subject: FTE Perf - 302-351

I have an '87 f-250 4x4 with a 302 EFI, i want to replace it with a 351 for
more power which isn't available as EFI until the '88 model year. Should i
get a 351 efi from the next model year? What other work would be involved in
the swap as far as changing parts, and how much more power should i expect
from the 351?




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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 11:26:18 -0700
From: "George"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 302-351

I have an '87 f-250 4x4 with a 302 EFI, i want to replace it with a 351 for
more power which isn't available as EFI until the '88 model year. Should i
get a 351 efi from the next model year? What other work would be involved in
the swap as far as changing parts, and how much more power should i expect
from the 351?

The 351W FI in '88 was rated at 210hp and 315 torque. Believe the 302
was 190hp and 285. Why not go for the 460? They were factory stock for your
rig, it's a clean swap and emmissions compliant.

George Miller


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 13:09:23 -0700
From: "Gates, Markham"
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Edelbrock Carbs

> Drew,
>
> I have an Edelbrock 4 barrel on a 351-C connected to an FMX trans in
> my 55 F-100. I use Lokar throttle and kickdown cables instead of the
> stock linkages. I had trouble getting full throttle with the stock
> linkage and the kickdown rod would bind. The Lokar cables fixed that
> and now everything works nicely.
>
> Markham Gates
> markham.gates boeing.com
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> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:49:46 -0600
> From: dcbeatty
> Subject: FTE Perf - Edelbrock Carbs
>
> In May on the 61-79 list there was a thread about getting the kickdown
> to work on an
> Edelbrock 4v. I searched the archives and didn't find a conclusion on
> the
> subject. Is there anybody out there that has done this and made it
> work?
> I'm using it on a 390 in a 1967, so the kickdown is a solid rod, not
> the
> cable. Should I expect problems getting it to work? Is the E-brock
> adapter
> a waste of money?
>
> I'm trying to plan ahead for the day I drop the motor in. I don't want
> to
> be dinking around when I should be driving it.
>
> Thanks again for any ideas,
>
> Drew
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:56:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve & Rockette
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - What's going into the Bronco?

At 10:17 AM 6/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Sorry, man...gotta ask.
>
>What is SWMBO. I'm sure it's the wife, but what exactly does it stand
>for???
>

She Who MUST Be Obeyed, you ain't watching PBS are ya?
Rumpole of the Bailey.......

Steve & Rockette...Lifes a beach
'63 F100 Longbox
'94 Taurus SHO - SWMBO's new car!!
and since most are listing all thier cars:
'72 Capri - Rockette's Toy, aka - SWMBO
'73 Capri - My Toy / Daily Driver
'73 MGB-GT Our Toy
'70 Torino GT My "New" Car


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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 19:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak
Subject: FTE Perf - FE cams

I seem to remember the 'good' cam for a street FE is the 428 cam.
Isn't this available from TRW? Is the TRW cam a faithful copy of the
FOMOCO original? Does anyone have the part number? And what about the
Edelbrock Performer cam? Is this the same grind?
Although with all the bad press regarding Edelbrock lately I'm
kinda leery.

75 F100 360/C6...hoping to grow up and become a 390
68 Fairlane SW 351W/FMX

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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:35:30 EDT
From: HAVOC5L aol.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Rear end needs

I am writing this post for one reason only ... I NEED A REAR END ... or at
least some info ... I have a 53F250 that i want to put a new rear end ..or at
least newer . I have the stock one but dont think it will hold up to the
motor and tranny i plan to put in place of the 6cyl and manual trans.. My
question is this ... Is there a rear end out of a 70's ford truck that will
bolt in place of my stock one or do i have to do a little relocating of
springs and such ??.. i would really like to not move whats already there but
if needs be then so be it .. I am in the proccess of blasting the frame clean
and now is as good a time as any to do such work ... right ?? ... well thanks
in advance

Troy K
havoc5l aol.com
83 Mustang L 5L
81 Mustang LX stock
84 F150
53 F250 :) my new toy !!
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:10:21 -0400
From: ynot80 juno.com (Tony P.)
Subject: FTE Perf - Engine ID

I have a 351W in my 1955 F-100 that I believe to be out of a 1979 ford
t-bird , but i am not sure . What I want to know is where on the engine
I might find the serial number or something else that could tell me the
year . Also what book would be good to lok up info. about the motor once
I have the serial # or year ? Any info. would be helpful.

Thank You ,
Tony
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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 23:45:45 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Expanded products page, 100s of items

Many members of Ford Truck Enthusiasts have long asked about
discounts on products and its finally done. We don't have a
shopping cart or secure shopping yet, simply a products page
with prices. We're working on the cart, then the secure
on-line ordering.

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- - Ford Truck Enthusiasts static cling window sticker.
- - Ford Truck And Ranchero Resources book, if you can't find
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sources listed with tons of information.
- - The Working Mat. The manufacturer is offering a 10%
discount to purchases made though our site. This is a
heavy-duty (long bed mat is 90lbs!) reinforced rubber bed
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- - Several hundred (no kidding) Ford truck items from Jim
Osborn Reproductions. Items from 1996 all the way back to
the 1920s. Ford Sales Literature, Wiring Diagram Manuals,
Assembly Manuals, Service And Parts Manuals, Performance
Manuals, Air Cleaner Decals, Valve Cover Decals, Engine
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Reproductions is a licensed Ford products company.
- - Magazine subscriptions to several popular truck mags. We
actually sell these through the Newstand Network. They
guarentee the lowest subscription rates and it helps us.

All these items help to fund our web site and the mailing lists.
Our monthly costs are substantual and we put in a lot of time
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As is our usual practice, we will increase our free services as
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In addition to getting a shopping cart and secure on-line ordering,
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Now returning you to our regular program....
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Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 00:38:30 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Forgot the URL!

I forgot to post the URL for the products page:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/products/index.html

Its also a link off the menu bar at the top of....

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