perf-list-digest Thursday, August 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 071



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Rebuilding an engine
FTE Perf - Re: compression ratios
FTE Perf - Convert 2wd to 4X4
FTE Perf - FE
FTE Perf - 4x4 fm 2X4
FTE Perf - monroes book was rebuilding???
RE: FTE Perf - Compression ratio's
FTE Perf - FTE in Truckin' magazine
FTE Perf - Re: 429/460 intakes
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Member web contributions
Re: FTE Perf - monroes book was rebuilding???
RE: FTE Perf - monroes book was rebuilding???

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:24:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Oldtrukman webtv.net (R. Pietsch)
Subject: FTE Perf - Rebuilding an engine

Hi David. I just did the same job that you are thinking of
undertaking. I rebuilt a 351C and put it in my '56. As George has
already indecated, there are a number of books available to help you
out. I got one by Tom Monroe and HP Books that is specific to the 351C
through 429/460 engines. They are available from most auto parts and
performance parts houses. I highly recomend getting one and reading it
through before you turn a wrench. It will give you detailed instructions
and photos to lead you right through the job with confidence.
Mine was also a 2v engine, but I chose to stay with the 2v heads but
convert to an edelbrock 4v manifold and carb. I have been told by many
that the 2v heads are better for low end torque, witch is what I was
mainly interested in. I couldn't be happier with the way it turned out,
and I have the satisfaction of saying I did it myself.
Good luck on your project.



Rix56 'The Rat'

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:12:24 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: compression ratios

4-cylinder Brett inquires:

>O.K. Now that I finally got a ruling from the powers that be on my CR
>how do I go about raising it? The 2.3 4cyl. is now 157K miles old,
>stock
>compression. Stock is supposed to be 8.1. They are going to let me run
>9.5 CR. What is the eaisest way to accomplish this?

Maybe long rods? This is supposed to offer other performance benefits as
well.

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:04:39 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Convert 2wd to 4X4

Alex writes: >>To whom ever can help, I have a '79 F-250 Supercab w/ a C-6
and a 460, 2 wheel drive.......Can this truck be changed to 4 wheel
drive..I have access to a '79 truck minus engine ?

Alex
Fairbanks, Alaska

Anything can be done, but it would be much easier to put your engine and
cab/chassis on the 4X4 frame/driveline. Lots of work either way, but I've
installed a couple of 2wd cab/chassis on 4X4 frames with good luck.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:00:57 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - FE

John Johnson writes: >>Would also like to know if anyone has installed the
7.5L FE

I thought the Diesel was International - Not FE........

Azie
Ardmore, Al.




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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:07:44 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE Perf - 4x4 fm 2X4

Alex: I just noticed you have a Supercab, so forget my earlier post.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:07:39 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE Perf - monroes book was rebuilding???

i thin k i got that book too. what are the mistakes? I don't need to use
the interchange much, just wondering why he would be hiding the CJ heads.
sleddog

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From: George[SMTP:maga55 ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 10:31 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Rebuilding ????

Tom Monroe's 'how to rebuild your FORD V-8 351C-351M-400-429-460' is my 385
engine bible. Some mistakes in the interchange (still think he did it to
hide the CJ heads) but it's all I need for an excellent reference guide.

George Miller



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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:15:37 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Compression ratio's

quickly, with a given cc cumbustiuon chamber, and a flat top piston you can
only get so much compression. first you need to now what cc your heads are
currently. the best way to get the compression you want most likely would
be to mill the heads (if you have enough material to do it) to the 52cc
size. then, figure out the CR. if you need more, flat top pistons that
come above the block's deck (by different piston pin height, rod length, or
block height being cut down) can give you more. thinner head gaskets are
avalable for many engines in copper, but copper is a pain, but the best,
and expensive too.

your pistons may have more valve releif than they need, so smaller vave
releifs will up it also, but only by maybe .1-.2 of a point CR.

aluminum rods may give you better CR. they require more piston to
head/valve clearance on assembly, but running clearances will be less,
therefore upping the CR after the engine is warm.

pick a cam that best utilizes the CR you have and concentrate on other
aspects of the engine like the intake and exhaust.

sleddog

ps.-decking the block so the pistons go above the block may be risky as
valve and head clearances decrease alot.

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From: Brett ITT 41[SMTP:bwallen bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 10:39 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Compression ratio's

O.K. Now that I finally got a ruling from the powers that be on my CR
how do I go about raising it? The 2.3 4cyl. is now 157K miles old, stock
compression. Stock is supposed to be 8.1. They are going to let me run
9.5 CR. What is the eaisest way to accomplish this? Shave the heads?(how
much)? Shave the block(how much)? Can not used dome pistons they have to
stay flat top like the stock ones. Oh and they are holding me to a 52cc
combustion chamber. They at least let me have my free cam choice/w adj.
cam sprocket.Would a thinner head gasket raise it enough. Is there a
thinner gasket made for a 2.3? I have a million other ques. that I will
save for later postings.

gottago seeya bye

Brett ITT 41
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:21:45 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - FTE in Truckin' magazine

The October issue (now on news-stands) of Truckin' magazine
has a really nice write-up about Ford Truck Enthusiasts (thanks
Gary!). The article is about web sites and they really
complimented us. I wanted to send a public "thank you" to
Truckin Magazine and also let the list members know so they
can check it out.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:52:11 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: 429/460 intakes

On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, "Mike Morton " wrote:
>
> In the last week or so someone said you could turn the intake 180 degrees
> front to back. It was to help even out the cooling from front to back. I
> just glanced at one of mine setting on the shelf and noticed that the carb
> mounting pad is at an angle.What is the reason for this? Does the engine set
> slightly tilted in the vehicle? I am sure the carb sets level in my truck. I
> guess my thought is that if you turn the manifold around and the engine is
> tilted, will it mess up the floats in the carb or anything else? Also,
> couldn't you only do this if you weren't concerned with emissions? Wouldn't
> the EGR valve be interferring with the carb linkage? Just some thoughts as I
> am kind of intrigued by the idea. It would certainly look different under
> the hood.

I was the one who suggested it. My carb flange is raked, too, I did not
think about that. It probably wouldn't be too much of a job to have it
machined level or raked the other way. You would have to tap some new
holes for the studs, though.

Mine doesn't have EGR so I don't know anything about that.

Birken
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:47:34 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Member web contributions

FTE's web site is kinda stale. It will be undergoing a face lift
soon. If you'd like to contribute any of the following for the
update:

1. Book or magazine review
2. Tech article. This can range from simple to complex. If you
installed a K&N on your 98, added a shift kit to your ride or
raised it 2 feet - almost anything you have to give, we'll
use.
3. Information or programs, click "misc" on the site for examples.

As usual, you retain the copyright and we'll take if off the site
if at some time in the future you ask us to.

Send submissions to:
kpayne ford-trucks.com

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:45:57 -0700
From: "George"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - monroes book was rebuilding???

No interchange listing for the '72 PI head which, officially, except for cc,
was the same as the '71 PI/CJ. He covers it in the text but according to
Ford Motorsport many of the '72 PIs were still 73.5cc CJs. There were also
many sets produced in '72 with the CJ valves, small runners and 75.8cc
chambers. Like many manufacturing production runs from that era, Ford just
used up whatever was in inventory. I'm just being picky - it's a fine book
that I'd recommend to anyone. Monroe makes rebuilding an engine easy for we
novices.

George Miller


i thin k i got that book too. what are the mistakes? I don't need to use
the interchange much, just wondering why he would be hiding the CJ heads.
sleddog

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From: George[SMTP:maga55 ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 10:31 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Rebuilding ????

Tom Monroe's 'how to rebuild your FORD V-8 351C-351M-400-429-460' is my 385
engine bible. Some mistakes in the interchange (still think he did it to
hide the CJ heads) but it's all I need for an excellent reference guide.

George Miller



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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:00:56 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - monroes book was rebuilding???

thanks, i was not aware of that. i'll keep these in mind.
later
sleddog

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From: George[SMTP:maga55 ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 10:45 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - monroes book was rebuilding???

No interchange listing for the '72 PI head which, officially, except for cc,
was the same as the '71 PI/CJ. He covers it in the text but according to
Ford Motorsport many of the '72 PIs were still 73.5cc CJs. There were also
many sets produced in '72 with the CJ valves, small runners and 75.8cc
chambers. Like many manufacturing production runs from that era, Ford just
used up whatever was in inventory. I'm just being picky - it's a fine book
that I'd recommend to anyone. Monroe makes rebuilding an engine easy for we
novices.

George Miller


i thin k i got that book too. what are the mistakes? I don't need to use
the interchange much, just wondering why he would be hiding the CJ heads.
sleddog

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From: George[SMTP:maga55 ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 10:31 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Rebuilding ????

Tom Monroe's 'how to rebuild your FORD V-8 351C-351M-400-429-460' is my 385
engine bible. Some mistakes in the interchange (still think he did it to
hide the CJ heads) but it's all I need for an excellent reference guide.

George Miller....


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