perf-list-digest Thursday, June 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 006



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - Re: 53 F250 motor
FTE Perf - RE: FE cam
Re: FTE Perf - Re: 53 F250 motor
Re: FTE Perf - Distributors
Re: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam
Re: FTE Perf - got more parts
Re: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam
Re: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam
Re: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam
Re: FTE Perf - Re: 53 F250 motor
RE: FTE Perf - Distributors
RE: FTE Perf - got more parts
FTE Perf - 460 roller cam was: FE cam
Re: FTE Perf - 460 roller cam was: FE cam
RE: FTE Perf - 460 roller cam and heads
FTE Perf - Rod and Piston weights
Re: FTE Perf - Rod and Piston weights
Re: FTE Perf - got more parts
Re: FTE Perf - Distributors
Re: FTE Perf - 460 roller cam was: FE cam
Re: FTE Perf - Rod and Piston weights
FTE Perf - Re: 53 F250 motor

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:08:58 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: 53 F250 motor

> From: "maga55"
> Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: 53 F250 motor
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:09:31 -0700

> You're correct about the demand for older stock parts. A friend just
> resto rodded a '41; he had the engine, tranny and driveline sold
> before he pulled them. Hemmings is a great publication if you want
> to put an accurate value on them. George Miller

Nice to hear from you again George :-) I remember you from the
bronco list, is that correct?

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:07:49 -0600
From: dcbeatty
Subject: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam

To: "maga55"

Great. Thanks for the advice. I'll call them today and get their recommendation.

>>and then go one step up from that.

Can I ask you to be more specific on your definition of "step?" Would that be the next biggest lift and duration measurements both?

Thanks again for the assistance.

Drew
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:56:03 -0700
From: "maga55"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: 53 F250 motor

Hey Gary - glad to hear from you. The other list members will be happy to
know that you're a contributor; you know more about Ford Trucks than Ford.
And you're a BB fan. I do see that you're running one of those baby motors
in your Bronco.

>Nice to hear from you again George :-) I remember you from the
>bronco list, is that correct?
>
>78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
>78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
>78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
>9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!
>
>-- Gary --

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From: Gary, 78 BBB
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 6:10 AM
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: 53 F250 motor


>> From: "maga55"
>> Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: 53 F250 motor
>> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:09:31 -0700
>
>> You're correct about the demand for older stock parts. A friend just
>> resto rodded a '41; he had the engine, tranny and driveline sold
>> before he pulled them. Hemmings is a great publication if you want
>> to put an accurate value on them. George Miller
>
>Nice to hear from you again George :-) I remember you from the
>bronco list, is that correct?
>
>78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
>78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
>78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
>9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:59:53 -0700
From: "maga55"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Distributors

I've been running the Mallory 9000 on my 460. It's the Unilite model with
mechanical advance. Virtually trouble free, I've only had one module go bad
in over ten years. George Miller

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From: Jim Craig
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 8:52 PM
Subject: FTE Perf - Distributors


>Hey I would like to upgrade my electronic dist. I am currently running it
>with a Jacobs ignition (which is Great!) Any suggestions? I am wondering
>what the little grey ignition box is for. When I rewired my truck, I hated
>tying into that box! Accel advertises one of their distributors with no
>external control box. Hey y'all, what you think of this?!
>
>I am looking for an accurate one to at least 6000RPM. I have only owned
>ones with vacuum advances, any preferences?
>
>
> Jimbo
> '77 Supercab 460
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:06:53 -0700
From: "maga55"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam

Most of the cam grinders increase the duration and the lift together.

Subject: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam

>Great. Thanks for the advice. I'll call them today and get their
recommendation. and then go one step up from that.
>
>Can I ask you to be more specific on your definition of "step?" Would that
be the next biggest lift and duration measurements both?
>
>Thanks again for the assistance.
>
>Drew
>dcbeatty rmi.net
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:12:54 -0700
From: "maga55"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - got more parts

What engine are these goodies going to enhance?

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From: Sleddog
To: 'FTE performance list'
Date: Wednesday, June 24, 1998 6:43 PM
Subject: FTE Perf - got more parts


>well, i am getting a good dose today for horsepower addiction. just
>recieved more parts, like fuel pumps, an fittings, ss line, xtreme tach
>(nice instrement!), oil pump, roller lifters, etc.
>
>still waiting on the last couple of things. man, i am getting excited!
> can't wait to get this truck on the track! lookin forward to kicken' some
>bowtie butt!
>
>we now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
>
>sleddog
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:30:19 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam

> From: "maga55"
> Subject: Re: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:06:53 -0700

> Most of the cam grinders increase the duration and the lift
> together.

I also noticed that roller cams have much higher lifts which to me
seems redundant or unecessary since the whole idea of rollers is to
get the valve open sooner and keep it open longer with quicker
ramping so higher lifts shouldn't be necessary to gain a considerable
boost?? It's so irritating when I want a .520 - .550 lift in a
moderate duration roller cam for the 460 and the weiniest cam I can
find has a .600 lift#$%#$# #

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:52:59 -0700
From: "maga55"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam

Most BB roller cams are directed to the tractor pull crowd who consider
5,000 rpm an idle. The grinders will do whatever you specify. As I recall,
you like tall gears below the 3.00:1 and without a high RPM stall speed t/c
even .550 is going to be a problem at low rpms.

>I also noticed that roller cams have much higher lifts which to me
>seems redundant or unecessary since the whole idea of rollers is to
>get the valve open sooner and keep it open longer with quicker
>ramping so higher lifts shouldn't be necessary to gain a considerable
>boost?? It's so irritating when I want a .520 - .550 lift in a
>moderate duration roller cam for the 460 and the weiniest cam I can
>find has a .600 lift#$%#$# #
>
>78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
>78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
>78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
>9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:11:21 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam

> From: "maga55"
> Subject: Re: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:52:59 -0700

> Most BB roller cams are directed to the tractor pull crowd who
> consider 5,000 rpm an idle. The grinders will do whatever you
> specify. As I recall, you like tall gears below the 3.00:1 and
> without a high RPM stall speed t/c even .550 is going to be a
> problem at low rpms.

I've changed my tune a bit depending on tires sizes etc.. I'm
finding the 33's work well with 3.50 gears with a stick and 351M and
the 460 with wide ratio C-6 and stock converter work well with stock
235 tires and 2.75 gears with a .520 lift and moderate duration (RV
cam). Lost the paper on the specs so don't remember any more than
that about it. It's a Melling torque cam of late 70's early 80's
vintage.

Actually I think I may have a 400 in the bronco which would explain
it's rather unusual amount of torque for a 351 :-)



78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:32:23 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: 53 F250 motor

> From: "maga55"
> Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Re: 53 F250 motor
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 06:56:03 -0700

> Hey Gary - glad to hear from you. The other list members will be
> happy to know that you're a contributor; you know more about Ford
> Trucks than Ford. And you're a BB fan. I do see that you're running
> one of those baby motors in your Bronco.

You'll be happy to know the lincoln although in excellent shape and
only cost me $64 out the door is a parts donor for the bronco and my
truck as well. The 460 is going into the bronco at the earliest
excuse along with the hydraulic brake booster system that runs off
the power steering pump etc..

As far as knowing ford trucks.........I know certain ones very well
and others are still a mystery :-) Ask me anything mechanical about
78/79 and I truely am approaching the expert level but others are hit
and miss I'm affraid :-(

You missed my dana 44 fiasco but I'm now a dana 44 expert too :-)
Welded, trussed, cleaned and painted :-) Next project is a ford 9"
housing with dana 44 floating parts mounted to home made flange and
currie custom axles. I realize the hubs may be suspect but I figure
I'll handle that when I get to it :-) My theory is simplicity and
standardization :-) (and rear disk brakes too :-))


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:33:28 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Distributors

ford duraspark will work into that range. the msd billet destributer i use
on my 460 for pulling has no vac advance, and i locked out the mech. adv.
to use a timing computer. i really like this one, but the pickup inside
did fail once. msd replaced for free.

the msd is expensive, and the ford is not, why not just run the ford one
with the big cap?

sleddog

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From: Jim Craig[SMTP:jcraig nations.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 12:41 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Distributors

Hey I would like to upgrade my electronic dist. I am currently running it
with a Jacobs ignition (which is Great!) Any suggestions? I am wondering
what the little grey ignition box is for. When I rewired my truck, I hated
tying into that box! Accel advertises one of their distributors with no
external control box. Hey y'all, what you think of this?!

I am looking for an accurate one to at least 6000RPM. I have only owned
ones with vacuum advances, any preferences?


Jimbo
'77 Supercab 460


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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:41:33 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - got more parts

460 for truck pulling- check out my homepage:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/7273/
for more info. there is info regarding my previous truck and my new buildup.

sleddog

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From: maga55[SMTP:maga55 ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 10:12 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - got more parts

What engine are these goodies going to enhance?



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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:48:30 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: FTE Perf - 460 roller cam was: FE cam

gary, even though i haven't got my roller installed and running yet i can
say from others experience, that a roller with big lifts and even a bit
more duration will idle smoother than a hyd or solid at those same numbers
, give more low end, and considerably more hp on top.

as for why the lifts are high? because they can be as a side effect of
being able to ramp up/down faster. and cam harmonics are very unusual.
IMHO a cam with one large bump on top may have better harmonics than one
that has a quick lift/drop, but a large "flat" accross it. so this *may*
be another reason.

gary, put in a roller, make sure you got the right springs and other
valvetrian parts ($$$$) and then enjoy it. i have no doubt from what i
have seen in small block engines, that you would be very happy with a small
roller in your truck.

the cam i have, ultradyne (perhaps the best cam company) told me it is a
mild street cam. that is with almost .700 lift! now, that is also with
more than 460 cubes, but that reminds me, yuo'll need to pay close
attention to the valve/piston/cylinder wall clearance too with .600 lift
cams unless you get a good set of pistons cut for those kinds of lifts or
greater.

sleddog

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 6:30 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam

> From: "maga55"
> Subject: Re: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:06:53 -0700

> Most of the cam grinders increase the duration and the lift
> together.

I also noticed that roller cams have much higher lifts which to me
seems redundant or unecessary since the whole idea of rollers is to
get the valve open sooner and keep it open longer with quicker
ramping so higher lifts shouldn't be necessary to gain a considerable
boost?? It's so irritating when I want a .520 - .550 lift in a
moderate duration roller cam for the 460 and the weiniest cam I can
find has a .600 lift#$%#$# #

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:26:24 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 460 roller cam was: FE cam

> From: Sleddog
> Subject: FTE Perf - 460 roller cam was: FE cam
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:48:30 -0400

> the cam i have, ultradyne (perhaps the best cam company) told me it
> is a mild street cam. that is with almost .700 lift! now, that is
> also with more than 460 cubes, but that reminds me, yuo'll need to
> pay close attention to the valve/piston/cylinder wall clearance too
> with .600 lift cams unless you get a good set of pistons cut for
> those kinds of lifts or greater.

Since this will be a new project and I plan to use flat tops the
piston can be ordered to match the cam but If I also go with CJ
valves which I was thinking about then cylinder clearance may become
an issue as well? How did they use them on 429's? Do CJ heads have
a different valve cant?

I've got a set (questionable) of 75's, 78's and 70's low compression,
460 heads. I believe the 70's will do the best job but they are on a
running engine so would be more work to use due to tearing down two
engines but it's still tempting :-)


78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 13:48:40 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - 460 roller cam and heads

IIWY i would choose the heads to use (assuming that all are good) by
choosing flat top pistons and then use the herads that give the cr you
want. the cj valves won't hit the walls until (?) lift. my heads for my
puller have 2.25/1.88 valves,and hit the walls at very low lift on a
standard bore or even .030 over block.

the valve cambr angles are the same.

get pistons for MORE lift and duration than you originally intend to use if
you can. bigger valve notches will not shroud the valve as much so get
valve notches for the larger valves anyway IMHO. and don't forget to round
the sharp edges on the notches for better flow and less detonation
potential.

venolia makes a good set - that is what i am using this time around.

later
sleddog
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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 9:26 AM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 460 roller cam was: FE cam

Since this will be a new project and I plan to use flat tops the
piston can be ordered to match the cam but If I also go with CJ
valves which I was thinking about then cylinder clearance may become
an issue as well? How did they use them on 429's? Do CJ heads have
a different valve cant?

I've got a set (questionable) of 75's, 78's and 70's low compression,
460 heads. I believe the 70's will do the best job but they are on a
running engine so would be more work to use due to tearing down two
engines but it's still tempting :-)

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:09:10 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: FTE Perf - Rod and Piston weights

Somewhere, I heard or read that you should try and match up the rods to the
pistons by weight. If I remember right, the purpose of this was to try and
maintain about the same weight, of rod and piston together, between each
cylinder. Is there any truth to that?

Thanks

Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
Performance List Admin in Training.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie
Mesa, AZ

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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:21:30 -0700
From: "maga55"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Rod and Piston weights

I take the lightest rod and balance the others to it. Same with pistons.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Keith Srb
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 11:10 AM
Subject: FTE Perf - Rod and Piston weights


>Somewhere, I heard or read that you should try and match up the rods to the
>pistons by weight. If I remember right, the purpose of this was to try and
>maintain about the same weight, of rod and piston together, between each
>cylinder. Is there any truth to that?
>
>Thanks
>
>Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
>Performance List Admin in Training.
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.netvalue.net/herbie
>Mesa, AZ
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:24:24 -0700
From: "maga55"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - got more parts

Good lookin rigs. What iron heads?

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From: Sleddog
To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 9:53 AM
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - got more parts


>460 for truck pulling- check out my homepage:
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/7273/
>for more info. there is info regarding my previous truck and my new
buildup.
>
>sleddog
>
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>From: maga55[SMTP:maga55 ix.netcom.com]
>Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 10:12 AM
>To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE Perf - got more parts
>
>What engine are these goodies going to enhance?
>
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:25:47 -0700
From: "maga55"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Distributors

Is that pickup anything like the Mallory Unilite?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Sleddog
To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 9:52 AM
Subject: RE: FTE Perf - Distributors


>ford duraspark will work into that range. the msd billet destributer i use
>on my 460 for pulling has no vac advance, and i locked out the mech. adv.
>to use a timing computer. i really like this one, but the pickup inside
>did fail once. msd replaced for free.
>
>the msd is expensive, and the ford is not, why not just run the ford one
>with the big cap?
>
>sleddog
>
>----------
>From: Jim Craig[SMTP:jcraig nations.net]
>Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 12:41 AM
>To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE Perf - Distributors
>
>Hey I would like to upgrade my electronic dist. I am currently running it
>with a Jacobs ignition (which is Great!) Any suggestions? I am wondering
>what the little grey ignition box is for. When I rewired my truck, I hated
>tying into that box! Accel advertises one of their distributors with no
>external control box. Hey y'all, what you think of this?!
>
>I am looking for an accurate one to at least 6000RPM. I have only owned
>ones with vacuum advances, any preferences?
>
>
> Jimbo
> '77 Supercab 460
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:40:37 -0700
From: "maga55"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - 460 roller cam was: FE cam

What duration are we talking at those stratospheric lifts?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Sleddog
To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Thursday, June 25, 1998 9:53 AM
Subject: FTE Perf - 460 roller cam was: FE cam


>gary, even though i haven't got my roller installed and running yet i can
>say from others experience, that a roller with big lifts and even a bit
>more duration will idle smoother than a hyd or solid at those same numbers
>, give more low end, and considerably more hp on top.
>
>as for why the lifts are high? because they can be as a side effect of
>being able to ramp up/down faster. and cam harmonics are very unusual.
> IMHO a cam with one large bump on top may have better harmonics than one
>that has a quick lift/drop, but a large "flat" accross it. so this *may*
>be another reason.
>
>gary, put in a roller, make sure you got the right springs and other
>valvetrian parts ($$$$) and then enjoy it. i have no doubt from what i
>have seen in small block engines, that you would be very happy with a small
>roller in your truck.
>
>the cam i have, ultradyne (perhaps the best cam company) told me it is a
>mild street cam. that is with almost .700 lift! now, that is also with
>more than 460 cubes, but that reminds me, yuo'll need to pay close
>attention to the valve/piston/cylinder wall clearance too with .600 lift
>cams unless you get a good set of pistons cut for those kinds of lifts or
>greater.
>
>sleddog
>
>----------
>From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
>Sent: Thursday, June 25, 1998 6:30 AM
>To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam
>
>> From: "maga55"
>> Subject: Re: FTE Perf - RE: FE cam
>> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:06:53 -0700
>
>> Most of the cam grinders increase the duration and the lift
>> together.
>
>I also noticed that roller cams have much higher lifts which to me
>seems redundant or unecessary since the whole idea of rollers is to
>get the valve open sooner and keep it open longer with quicker
>ramping so higher lifts shouldn't be necessary to gain a considerable
>boost?? It's so irritating when I want a .520 - .550 lift in a
>moderate duration roller cam for the 460 and the weiniest cam I can
>find has a .600 lift#$%#$# #
>
>78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
>78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
>78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
>9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!
>
>-- Gary --
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>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:40:29 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Rod and Piston weights

> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:09:10 -0700
> From: Keith Srb
> Subject: FTE Perf - Rod and Piston weights

> Somewhere, I heard or read that you should try and match up the rods
> to the pistons by weight. If I remember right, the purpose of this
> was to try and maintain about the same weight, of rod and piston
> together, between each cylinder. Is there any truth to that?

Anything you do to balance the components of the engine help it live
longer and run smoother. The closer you can get the size of
combustion chambers, lengths and weights of other components on a
cylinder to cylinder basis the better it will perform.

BTW, what is performance? :-) There is a bottom line of course that
makes it go down the track or road but what about longevity, economy,
vibration, noise?? All these things IMNSHO are an important part of
performance so anything we can do to enhance any of these is a step
in the right direction :-)

I'll never forget the chills that ran down my back when I first fired
up my 460 after rebuilding it to break in the cam and
lifters.......the sound was eirie, quiet, smooth but HUGE somehow.
Course now it's just leaky and noisy but that first few minutes it
was awesome :-) BTW, don't plug the heater outlets at the block :-(
Hot water and steam every where............:-(



78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 Lincoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hooo!

- -- Gary --
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Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:46:22 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: 53 F250 motor

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, "Neal B. Forbes" wrote:
>
> Hello Troy, I am interested in what you have as an original motor. Is it
> a flattie or a Yblock? Either one, please don't just scrap it. Pull it
> carefully (and the tranny) and sell it at a swap meet. The antiques are....


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