perf-list-digest Wednesday, August 5 1998 Volume 01 : Number 051



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Perf - building a 400
Re: FTE Perf - Which Timing Chain?
FTE Perf - Petersen Publications
Re: FTE Perf - Which Timing Chain?
FTE Perf - ARP Bolt Question
FTE Perf - Timing Chains, Fan Shrouds, and 400's
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Change of policy with email addresses

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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:36:57 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - building a 400

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> From: George
>

> Peterson Publications, never known to favor the do-it-your-selfer and
often
> lacking in factual technical advice, cost me some good money before I
> realized that they always have advertisers to pay the bills.
>
> George Miller


Amen Brother, Amen

John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver "Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !
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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:39:42 -0400
From: "John Miller"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Which Timing Chain?

Cloyes, Cloyes or Cloyes. Take your pick. I swear the darn things seem to
tighten up after use and abuse. I swear by them and have for 21 years. JMHO

John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net
96 F-350 Reg Cab XLT, 4x4, 460 w/ A4OD, My Baby "Baloo"
75 F-100 Reg Cab Ranger, 2wd, 360, C6, Daily Driver "Lucy"
and "always" looking ! ! !

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> From: Mike Schwall >
> Ok, here we go again with the which is the best timing chain thread.
This
> is for a '78 302 with an Isky 270 Mega Cam (~300 lbs open spring
pressure)
> and with adjustable stock type rockers. RPM range will peak close to
6000.
>
> I'm faced with three brands: FMS Roller, Dynagear Roller, and Cloyes True
> Roller. The above have a 3 keyway crank gear, except for the FMS chain.
> It has a 9 position indexed gear. I will be installing the cam 4 degrees
> advanced.
>
> I'm looking for ownership experience. I know everyone has an opinion and
> can't help themselves to express it, but I would like to narrow it down
to
> actual first (or second) hand experience with either chain set. I'm
> interested in chain stretch (excessive or minor), gear teeth wear, and
> whether it stayed together in your engine, etc.

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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:55:09 -0500
From: "Mike Morton "
Subject: FTE Perf - Petersen Publications

> From: George
>

> Peterson Publications, never known to favor the do-it-your-selfer and
often
> lacking in factual technical advice, cost me some good money before I
> realized that they always have advertisers to pay the bills.
>
> George Miller


That's about you can expect from publishers that favor gm
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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 19:06:57 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Which Timing Chain?

At 11:39 AM 8/4/98 , you wrote:
>Cloyes, Cloyes or Cloyes. Take your pick. I swear the darn things seem to
>tighten up after use and abuse. I swear by them and have for 21 years. JMHO
>John Miller, FoMoCoNUT Gibralter.net


Thanks John. I've heard from another person that says the Dynagear Roller
is the same as the Cloyes - just in a different box. I've never looked
closely at a Dynagear or a Cloyes, but at $41 for the Dynagear and $73 for
the Cloyes this requires further study :)

Thanks again

Mike

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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 19:14:26 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: FTE Perf - ARP Bolt Question

Some of you may get duplicate emails since I posted this question on the
Fordnatics list as well.

I ordered a set of ARP ring gear bolts from PAW. They arrived today and
they are shorter than the OEM bolts (Ford 9"). I called up the ARP tech
help and the guy asked about the application and which bolts I bought. The
ARP's (#250-3003) only have 1/4" of thread showing that goes into the ring
gear and the OEM bolts have 3/8" of thread showing on the ring gear side of
the carrier.

The tech guy couldn't believe that after 15 years of selling that bolt that
I am the first to call and ask about the bolt length problem. He suggested
that I buy two packs of ARP flywheel bolts (#100-2801) and send the others
back. The flywheel bolts are a 1/16" longer than OEM.

I don't like the idea that only 1/4" of bolt is going into the ring gear.
Has anyone run into this problem?

Mike

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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:45:53 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE Perf - Timing Chains, Fan Shrouds, and 400's

How close should the Fan be to the radiator?
Better question would be:
How close should it be to the Water Pump. That fan puts a big load on the
H2O Pump so the closer that you can get it to the bearing the better for the
pump.
Ford put mine about 6-7" from the Radiator, and 2" from the pump.

Timing Chains
Cloyes chains have been the Hi-Pro chain of choice forever. I have been
using them for 20 years with vary good results, so there you go. Really want
the best drive? Switch to a belt drive.

400's.
Have yet to read the article, or find the Mag.
I more then agree that Peterson publications are highly suspect when it
comes to Tech. Info. Which explains my lack of subscriptions! So I'll have
to wait until I can get a copy.
My engine should be hitting the dyno late this month or early Sept. When
that happens and after I have had a chance to crunch the data I'll share
real and complete data.
- ->Before Chris jumps all over me, there are valid exceptions.
Jump People... George, please... I have reformed my self.

For now... EVERYONE NEEDS TO RUN A 460 NO EXCEPTIONS!-)
Nothing else is even worthy of being called a Ford!
Except the 427 Cammer, The 351C 4BBL, and the BOSS 429, all the 428's, and
the BOSS 302 & 351's, 289 Hi-Pros, and the...........

FYI:
There is a High Pro Engine Building class forming up in Portland, Oregon.
Actual dates have not been set yet, as the class starts when it is full (I'd
expect mid-Oct.) I have taken this class, and will again; so I must feel it
is worth it. I have not seen the price yet but I'll guess that it will be
$1.5-2K. When the cost is factored by the information and the fact that
there were 200+ class room hours this is an economical education. (my last
CAD class was $500 for 4.5 Hrs.) If you live with in a reasonable commute
of PDX and are interested please contact me privately and I'll forward your
address to the instructor. Serious inquiries only please:)
DISCLAIMER:
I make nothing from this class. I simply feel that it is a good investment
for any gear head even if it has a moderate GM bias. You will learn more
then most know about every component in an engine and what it actually takes
to get power out of an engine. You will also learn just how much you didn't
know!!!

CS

We are all victims of our education.


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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 00:50:06 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Change of policy with email addresses

Concerning the email sent out last week about the sale of
email accounts on FTE:

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happen to FTE's name if a business with our site address
started screwing customers!

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