perf-list-digest Saturday, August 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 047



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - B&M Shift Improver Kits
FTE Perf - Re: Water Injection
Re: FTE Perf - FTE: Water Injection
Re: FTE Perf - FTE: Water Injection
Re: FTE Perf - FTE: Water Injection
FTE Perf - Swap questions...
Re: FTE Perf - B&M Shift Improver Kits
Re: FTE Perf - Swap questions...
Re: FTE Perf - B&M Shift Improver Kits
FTE Perf - In My Experience...

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 09:03:00 -0400
From: Mike Johnson
Subject: FTE Perf - B&M Shift Improver Kits

Has anyone ever used the B&M shift improver kits? What are the pros and
cons. Are they good for everyday driving or just for tow vehicles. I
have heard they give a real hard quick shift. Would this cause problems
in slippery conditions like in the winter. What are your guys opinion on
these.
Thanks for any info.

Mike
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:10:16 -0500
From: lordjanusz juno.com (Paul M Radecki)
Subject: FTE Perf - Re: Water Injection

sleddog writes:
>
>i can't see how water washes away the oil film. it don't take the oil
>off
>anything else without detergent or solvants.
>

Water, no. Live steam, though... maybe, I dunno.

Assuming no oil problems, do you think a nitrous oxide system could be
adapted for H2O injection? Just an idea.
- lordjanusz

'94 F150 (300ci) '73 F100 (360ci) '97 Saturn (hers)

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:04:24 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - FTE: Water Injection

From: sdelanty sonic.net
Date sent: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 21:54:55 -0700
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - FTE: Water Injection

> You want a nice fine mist, and the water should only be on when it's
> really needed, and no more water than necessary to do the job. I dunno
> where to buy H2O injection systems these days, and when I had mine (15
> years ago) they were pretty expensive. I made my own...

You never cease to amaze me Steve! I knew a guy in the service who built
his own fuel injection system for a 327 chevy in a 63 vette. His forhead
looked like John Lithgow's or one of those extra smart extra terrestrials (can
anyone type that word, like really fast?) He was a real brainy type. That was
a sharp car, canary yellow, real bright and shiny.

Anyway I wish I had time to do more research on such things :-( I'd really
like to try this on a roller cammed, high compression 460 just to have it and
feel it's power. My stock 460 is a real gas to drive, imagine roughly doubling
the torque and power output.........WOW! :-) And for not much money
either!

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:39:26 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - FTE: Water Injection

>> You want a nice fine mist, and the water should only be on when it's
>> really needed, and no more water than necessary to do the job. I dunno
>> where to buy H2O injection systems these days, and when I had mine (15
>> years ago) they were pretty expensive. I made my own...

>You never cease to amaze me Steve! I knew a guy in the service who built
>his own fuel injection system for a 327 chevy in a 63 vette. His forhead
>looked like John Lithgow's or one of those extra smart extra terrestrials (can
>anyone type that word, like really fast?) He was a real brainy type. That
was
>a sharp car, canary yellow, real bright and shiny.

My forehead isn't like that... actually it's kinda flat in front from
beating it against the wall when stuff doesn't work right the first time...
Man, building a mechanical fuel injection system.. THAT would be a
serious project! Electronic injection is a lot easier, cuz there's so
much wrecking yard EFI stuff to steal parts from these days. (-:
Gotta have a lot of respect for someone who built a mechanical system
from scratch!

>Anyway I wish I had time to do more research on such things :-( I'd really
>like to try this on a roller cammed, high compression 460 just to have it and
>feel it's power. My stock 460 is a real gas to drive, imagine roughly
doubling
>the torque and power output.........WOW! :-) And for not much money
>either!
>
>-- Gary --

There wasn't a lot of research invoved in making mine. Just found some
junk yard parts and figured out how to make it go with what I had...
It took a couple tries to get an adjustable spray bar design that
worked right, but the rest was just wiring up some switches and solenoids
and then doing a lot of trial and error adjusting. The fuel pump pressure
and vacuum switches adjusted with a turn of a screw and the spray orifices
(orifii?) were adjustable to get the 4 of them matched to each other, so
it was mostly a matter of driving around for a while, then tweaking
some adjustment screws, then drive around some more, tweak some more..
Repeat as necessary....

I'll probably build a spray bar plate that fits the FE one of these days.
I've likely got enough junk laying around the garage to do H20 injection
and I've got this terrible desire to turbocharge the 390 someday... (-:


Steve
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:59:14 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - FTE: Water Injection

From: sdelanty sonic.net
Date sent: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 08:39:26 -0700
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - FTE: Water Injection

> and I've got this terrible desire to turbocharge the 390 someday... (-:

Yeah and can you imagine a water injected, 12:1 compression, roller cammed
460 wtih an 871 sticking out of the hood and driving around to the local
grocery marts in the evening where the kids hang out........:-)

Probably aught to get some of the rust fixed first though......:-( As Jerry on
the bronco list would say: "It's just not cool!" :-)

Greed is the Creed of the Breed
who did away with the Steed...

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 14:46:27 -0500
From: Bill Tucker
Subject: FTE Perf - Swap questions...

Any HELP?

I've got an 85' F150 with 302 and AOD. Of course, with only 150k mi,
it's just getting broke in...(yeah, right)

What I'd like to do is SWAP in a 70' model 302 I have built and hook it
to the AOD.

Seems most CARS have throttle controlled AOD's, but I don't see that
here... The difference in the balance weights of the two motors should
be overcome if I use original flywheel (C4) and balancer from 70'
motor... Have heard some talk of different number of block to
bellhousing bolts, but I think that's only EARLY 289's...My 70' 302 has
been fitted with DuraSpark, so I won't need late computer distributor...
85' does not have serpentine belt, so accessories should be easy...

What am I missing here? Has someone gone through this before and what
problems have you encountered?

All help will be appreciated...

Thanks, Bill

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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:33:32 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - B&M Shift Improver Kits

Mike Johnson wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever used the B&M shift improver kits? What are the pros and
> cons. Are they good for everyday driving or just for tow vehicles. I
> have heard they give a real hard quick shift. Would this cause problems
> in slippery conditions like in the winter. What are your guys opinion on
> these.
> Thanks for any info.

Hey Mike I have a 94 Lightning and have been checking into shift kits,
asked around on the Lightning list and the B&M has been accused of
damaging a couple transmissions but on the other hand they recommend a
banks shift kit. It makes makes the shifts firmer at part throttle and
real firm at full throttle. This is the kit I am going to go with.
go here http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dieselpage.com
Hope this helps
Chris
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 17:45:14 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Swap questions...

As long as the truck doesn't have to be smogged I don't see any problems, If
it does however I would stick with a stock set up. Here in Nevada they are
changing the laws, If I were to put a 70 302 in my bro's 84 I would have to
install all the electronics. Smog inspecitons here now include a check for an
EGR, throttle pos sensor, and various other items. The vehhicle must have all
the original smog equipment or it won't pass
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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 18:48:51 -0700
From: "George"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - B&M Shift Improver Kits

I've had a B&M shift kit in three different C6s. No complaints in any type
of weather. The shifts are harder (more efficient) but that's dependent on
how much torque/rpm you place on the shift points. To me, it's a plus
improvement for all types of driving. Motor city builds auto transmissions
to shift smooth for the general consumer, who firmly believes any abrupt
mechanical reaction is a sign of poor, read cheap, engineering. Smooth
means lower oil pressure, normally resulting in excessive slippage and
additional operating heat.

George Miller



Has anyone ever used the B&M shift improver kits? What are the pros and
cons. Are they good for everyday driving or just for tow vehicles. I
have heard they give a real hard quick shift. Would this cause problems
in slippery conditions like in the winter. What are your guys opinion on
these.
Thanks for any info.

Mike
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 01:05:24 -0400
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: FTE Perf - In My Experience...

Markham Gates wrote: "It was (is) a '68
4V from a T-bird and had an advertised CR of 11:1. I wanted this to be
a fairly hot motor so I wanted to keep the stock CR."
I've never messed with a 429 or any of that series engine, but I once had
a 428 FE with (I found out later) 406 tri-carb heads, making for a CR of
around 11:1 or better. I tried ONCE to run it on 87 octane unleaded, and
only to get it to run long enough to see how it sounded after I had just
done some work on it. When I shut it down, it didn't just diesel, it ran
backwards and refused to stop until I blocked off the carb air intake and
shut off all air to the engine. It bent every pushrod that engine had.
If you're going to run on low octane gas, you will have to back off the
timing a lot, and maybe put richer jets in the carb. Those octane boosters
don't always live up to their claims, and I consider it additional expense
for dubious results.
That said, however, it is also possible that the FE is much more sensitive
to low octane fuel, and you'll be able to get away with it. My money would
be on a 9.5:1 CR, though.

Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
innaccesible part of the vehicle."

kyneighbors ....

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