perf-list-digest Wednesday, July 29 1998 Volume 01 : Number 044



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In this issue:

FTE Perf - Explorer pinging follow up
Re: FTE Perf - Octane Too Much?
Re: FTE Perf - Explorer pinging follow up
Re: FTE Perf - Explorer pinging follow up
Re: FTE Perf - Explorer pinging follow up
FTE Perf - ADMIN: Your email address ford-trucks.com!
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FTE Perf - ADMIN: Last chance to nominate us!

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:25:22 EDT
From: LexRex aol.com
Subject: FTE Perf - Explorer pinging follow up

Thanks for the replies.
After reading your confirmation of my suspicion, I called another dealer's
service dept to make an appointment. He said that it was pinging because I
was using too high of an octane. He said the Explorer's engine computer was so
advanced it had "learned" to run on my 93 octane and when I switched to 87, it
got mixed up. He said it would take 50 tanks of 87 to teach it to run on 87.
I asked him if that were true, why does it not quit pinging when I use 93
again? He paused and said my computer was "all mixed up right now." (yeah,
and you're not?)
So I called a third dealer's service dept.. He said he could not begin to
guess why it was pinging and suggested I pay him $60 so he could test drive it
and try to figure it out.
3 dealers, all thinking I fell off the trunip truck (which I would trade for
if it didn't ping like this one does). How do these guys stay in business?
Are people really so stupid that these dealers can make money off of them like
this?
Jack
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 10:49:20 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Octane Too Much?

From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE Perf - Octane Too Much?
Date sent: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 22:03:31 -0700

> There is virtually no such thing as too high an Octane Number. As the
> octane Number increases so will the price. Therefore the only negative to
> running a fuel with a octane number that is higher then your engine
> requires is the reduction in the thickness of your wallet.

I agree that if you don't need it you are wasting your money but I also believe
that you can have too much octane for most efficient operation in a low
compression engine. Ford engineers seem to agree with this. The statement
the reps made that too much octane could cause detonation is pure bunk of
course but that's just a few people trying to get out of something, not
necessarily ford's position.

Both for price and efficiency you should run the lowest octane you can get
away with without detonation. The fact that some engines seem to need
premium to run well and get better mileage on it is an indication that there is
detonation taking place even though you can't hear it IMHO in which case I
would say you should be using it. Just make sure the performance gain is a
fact and not just your imagination.

78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6, 235's
78 Bronco 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
78 LIncoln Town Car, 460, C-6, 19.5' long!
9000#, in ground vehicle lift, Woooo Hoooo!

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 11:26:31 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Explorer pinging follow up

At 08:25 AM 7/28/98 EDT, you wrote:
>So I called a third dealer's service dept.. He said he could not begin to
>guess why it was pinging and suggested I pay him $60 so he could test
drive it
>and try to figure it out.
>3 dealers, all thinking I fell off the trunip truck (which I would trade for
>if it didn't ping like this one does). How do these guys stay in business?
>Are people really so stupid that these dealers can make money off of them
like
>this?
>Jack

Sounds like the third dealer is the honest one. If its not under
warranty, $60 is fair to diagnose the problem. Never begrudge
a man's pay for honest work. If it is under warranty... well,
I wouldn't pay the $60.

Ken Payne


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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 09:11:25 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Explorer pinging follow up

How many miles are on this vehicle? The basic 3 year 36K warranty will
cover any repairs you end up making and if the mileage is too high for that
the 5 year 50K emissions warranty will cover most if not all of the EEC
system you have on that truck. As far as having a "mixed up computer"
that's technically possible, at least it was on the older EEC3 & 4 systems
(I'm pretty sure you have EEC5) but all that had to be done was to
disconnect the battery for about 1 min. then hook it back up. The processor
would be reset to the defaults and start "relearning" how you drove. I'm
not sure if this still works on the newer systems.

As far as "stupid people" go let's just say most people are ignorant of how
their vehicles work and so they become easy prey for incompetent and/or
unscrupulous operators.

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> From: LexRex aol.com
> To: perf-list ford-trucks.com; 97-up-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE Perf - Explorer pinging follow up
> Date: Tuesday, July 28, 1998 5:25 AM
>
> Thanks for the replies.
> After reading your confirmation of my suspicion, I called another
dealer's
> service dept to make an appointment. He said that it was pinging because
I
> was using too high of an octane. He said the Explorer's engine computer
was so
> advanced it had "learned" to run on my 93 octane and when I switched to
87, it
> got mixed up. He said it would take 50 tanks of 87 to teach it to run on
87.
> I asked him if that were true, why does it not quit pinging when I use 93
> again? He paused and said my computer was "all mixed up right now."
(yeah,
> and you're not?)
> So I called a third dealer's service dept.. He said he could not begin
to
> guess why it was pinging and suggested I pay him $60 so he could test
drive it
> and try to figure it out.
> 3 dealers, all thinking I fell off the trunip truck (which I would trade
for
> if it didn't ping like this one does). How do these guys stay in
business?
> Are people really so stupid that these dealers can make money off of them
like
> this?

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:27:04 -0400
From: Thomas Teixeira
Subject: Re: FTE Perf - Explorer pinging follow up

At 8:25 AM -0400 7/28/98, LexRex aol.com wrote:
>Thanks for the replies.
>After reading your confirmation of my suspicion, I called another dealer's
>service dept to make an appointment. He said that it was pinging because I
>was using too high of an octane. He said the Explorer's engine computer was so
>advanced it had "learned" to run on my 93 octane and when I switched to 87, it
>got mixed up. He said it would take 50 tanks of 87 to teach it to run on 87.
>I asked him if that were true, why does it not quit pinging when I use 93
>again? He paused and said my computer was "all mixed up right now." (yeah,
>and you're not?)

While that's vaguely possible, you could reset this by leaving the battery
disconnected for several minutes (at least that's what resets and EEC IV
computer on a SHO)

Tom Teixeira mailto:tjt world.std.com
94 Taurus SHO 5-speed NESHOC/SHO Registry
'66 Mustang convertible (200 cid auto) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt
'35 Ford Pickup (flathead V8)


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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 17:48:53 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Your email address ford-trucks.com!

>From the Ford Truck Enthusiasts admin, please read it, its
important!

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:25:44 PDT
From: "Don Jones"
Subject: [none]

>For 1 1/2 years, I ran it on 93 octane without problem. Recently, at
>35,000
> miles, it has begun pinging so I took it to the dealer, who >suggested
I use
> lower octane. I asked him twice, and he said lower octane.

OK.. I think I know the reason here. Ethyl Corp (remember the Lead
people?) have began to market a new octane boosting additive in the last
year or so containing manganese. There is currently some legal battles
as to whether or not the stuff should be imported into Canada. In one
news reports they had a spokesperson from Ford who said the stuff
shouldn't be used in some vehicles because it messes up the engine
management systems.
Since its fairly new as an additive it could be the reason why the
problem began suddenly. Maybe it has already damaged your sensors or
maybe a different brand of hi-test would work...
any opinions here???

Don Jones.

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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 22:22:10 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Perf - ADMIN: Last chance to nominate us!

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