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perf-list Digest Mon, 19 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 083

In This Issue:
Re: Cooling an HP 302
Re: [More about brakes]
Re: Subject: More about brakes
Re: Cooling an HP 302
Re: [More about brakes]
Re: Subject: More about brakes
Re: More about brakes
Re: Subject: More about brakes
Re: [More about brakes]
Re: [More about brakes]
Re: Oil Pressure Questions
Oil pressure problem
Re: Subject: More about brakes
Re: Oil Pressure Questions
Re: Oil pressure problem

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:52:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Cooling an HP 302


> I am not sure what it will do on the
>long and short highway trips but idle in the driveway it stays on about 225

>degrees during a 90 plus day.

You're wanting it a bit cooler at idle ? Also remember this is a fresh motor
just breakin it, it's gonna run a bit warmer until everything gets settled in
on it ... there's a lot of extra friction right now (unless you built it race
spec or something).... Also when driving down the highway you will be forcing
air through the radiator naturally, could even be more than that fan's pulling
... if I remember right my car's setup from the factory to shut the fan off
over 48mph ...

> ALSO the fan therm. is not kicking on until
>very late. i think it is a 180 but you know how long it takes to get the

>radiator temp. up that much. Is this unacceptable or should i look at
>finding some way to add a flex fan? Should or can I get a 140 thermostat

>for the electric?

There are adjustable thermostats out there that will let you change where it
kicks on ... or as someone else suggested, move the sensor to a warmer part
of the motor ... also the radiator won't get to 180 until right around the time
the motor gets warmer, because of your warmer thermostat ...


>One more thing. I have a shallow pan on a C-4 that should have had a deep

>pan on it. will this make the tranny run good for a few minutes then not 20

>mins. later? maybe not holding enough fluid or letting it heat up too
>quick. I do not have my cooler hooked up until next week when my lines and

>fittings come in.
>

I would definitely be hooking up that cooler ... what lines/fittings are you
ordering ? most of the time I think you can just bend brake lines and such
and use a standard pipe threaded nipple with a short piece of rubber between
the radiator and the lines ...

Just my $.02
wish

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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:57:28 GMT
Subject: Re: [More about brakes]


>Some of us do not start with a lot of force; I (and I suspect a lot of us on

>the perf. list) will ease into the brake, reach high braking and taper off
to
>reduce g-forces on the passengers whilst braking as effectively as possible.

>

Heh, after riding with most of my friends I thought I was the only one who did
that with passengers in the car ... of course once those cones start dictating
the path its all out the window :)

Tim, just for you:
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> These are my
>> brakes and my safety and my sanity and my peace of mind and these guys
>> (FORD) ARE going to fix this. One way or another.
>
>Good luck.. If they stop, stop straight and don't fail I doubt you'll have

>much going on. I hope you get lucky and have it resolved; who knows, might
be
>the start of a TSB for this condition. :-)
>

Gotta go with Tim on this one, its really only a problem if it affects the safety,
or potentially affects the safety of the people or others around the car. An
annoyance isn't necessarily a safety issue ... now if you could get a psychiatrist
to say you're nuts and that the small vibration could send you into a psychotic
episode ... then maybe you'll have a case for the safety of others. ;)

Seriously though try Tim's suggestion of different stopping methods to see if
that makes a difference... you said it only does it on a full stop ? Do you
have ABS ? If so, then that adds another variable that could be sensing the
wheels locking up because of a malfunction somewhere...

Just my $.02
wish

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From: "Lloyd Rantanen" mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Subject: More about brakes
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:26:13 -0600


bring up MY problem "again." It's NEVER gone away and all the dealer(s) (2
of them so far) can say is that it is normal. BS!>

What kind of SD? CC, SC,auto,6-speed. Have you tried putting it into neutral as you are stopping? Sometimes the driveline gets wound up as you stop and then releases as you take off.




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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:59:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: shane san miguel yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Cooling an HP 302

>pan on it. will this make the tranny run good for a
few minutes then
not 20

>mins. later? maybe not holding enough fluid or
letting it heat up too
>quick. I do not have my cooler hooked up until next
week when my
lines and

>fittings come in.


You can run it without the cooler if you want, but my
C4 burned up in 50 freeway miles without the cooler
hooked up.... So proceed at your own risk. I
figured, "I'm just gonna run to work once....". It
started slipping in 3rd about halfway there and was
dead by the time I got home.

Shane
55 F100 5.0
15.5187
289 Pinto


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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:35:04 -0700
Subject: Re: [More about brakes]
From: Dave Santo home.com>

On 6/19/00, wish wrote:

> Seriously though try Tim's suggestion of different stopping methods to see if
> that makes a difference... you said it only does it on a full stop ? Do you
> have ABS? If so, then that adds another variable that could be sensing the
> wheels locking up because of a malfunction somewhere...

I've tried forwards, backwards, 2-wheel, 4-wheel, in neutral, in drive, in
1st (thanks Brad), with ABS, without (fuse pulled) ABS. IT STILL DOES IT!

I do NOT have to be going fast to experience this. When stopped at a light,
the truck still does it if I release pressure on the brake pedal a bit and
then apply pressure a bit to stop again after rolling maybe only ONE FOOT at
a time!

When I took the truck into the dealer (did not purchase from) for its first
service I test-drove a brand new 2000 SD that they were going to get ready
for delivery; Service Manager in the truck with me! I drove about 15 feet,
stepped on the brake, slowly, for a smooth stop, and WAHL-LAA(?)... This
NEWer SD did it just as bad as when I drove mine off the lot 10/27/1999! I
felt it. The SM felt it. AND, you could VISIBLY SEE THE HOOD SHUDDER! Hence,
the SM stating that it's "normal."

ABS has been checked (?) by the selling dealer, or so he said, and he found
ABS to be working properly. I don't believe it though. After he told me this
and I asked him what was causing it, he could not tell me.

In regards to ABS, that was the first description I used at the selling
dealership to explain what I FELT. I told them it felt like the ABS
releasing and instantly re-applying brakes.

Also, I should add, in ONLY about 5-10% of the times I stop it doesn't do
it. ONE (???) slightly warped rotor??? To me this makes a little sense. I do
feel a slight rumbling vibration when beginning to slow down from highway
speeds.

I called PowerSlot Rotors and new Ford SD rotors will be ready in a couple
of weeks. They take STOCK FORD ROTORS, cut 6 or 8 tapered grooves in the
face, plate the rotor with cadmium(?) for looks, etc. and sell for, I
believe, about $100 ea.


Dave


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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:38:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Subject: More about brakes
From: Dave Santo home.com>

On 6/19/00, Lloyd Rantanen wrote:


> What kind of SD? CC, SC,auto,6-speed.

2000 F-250 SD/SC 4x4 V-10 LWB LB Auto

I think I've tried everything, so far.


Dave


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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:40:59 -0700
Subject: Re: More about brakes
From: Dave Santo home.com>

On 6/19/00, Lloyd Rantanen wrote:

> What kind of SD? CC, SC,auto,6-speed. Have you tried putting it into neutral
> as you are stopping? Sometimes the driveline gets wound up as you stop and
> then releases as you take off.

2000 F250 SD/SC Auto... 4x4 V-10 LWB/LB

Yes. See other post just prior.

Dave


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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:35:45 -0400
From: Jean Marc Chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Subject: More about brakes

Dave Santo wrote:
>
> On 6/19/00, Lloyd Rantanen wrote:
>
>
> > What kind of SD? CC, SC,auto,6-speed.
>
> 2000 F-250 SD/SC 4x4 V-10 LWB LB Auto
>
> I think I've tried everything, so far.
>
> Dave
>
Dave,

Are the hubs in the front axle completely disengaged? I
would suspect that if they are hanging up (engaging), they
might cause the symptoms you described.

regards

Jean Marc Chartier

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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:45:36 -0400
From: Brad mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [More about brakes]

>Seriously though try Tim's suggestion of different stopping methods to see if
>that makes a difference... you said it only does it on a full stop ? Do you
>have ABS ? If so, then that adds another variable that could be sensing the
>wheels locking up because of a malfunction somewhere...
>
>Just my $.02
>wish

Yeah, but most likely if that was the case the truck would set a wheel
speed sensor code of some sort, and the ABS light would come on... If they
can't see the problem, ask the svc mgr to have a tech ride with you, and
you make it happen.. don't be a butt, and ask the tech if the problem is
your technique... make sure the person feels like they can tell you the
truth... When I get a customer like this, I am much more apt to go to work
for them and try to find the problem, if there really is one.

Brad



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From: JUMPINFORDaol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:53:47 EDT
Subject: Re: [More about brakes]

What if it isnt your brakes at all? Any chance you have a suspension
component clanking, like deformed rubber, or maybe a poly bushing that wasnt
greased? Crawl under and shake everything. My dads 88 Van had a nasty clunk
we couldn't find. Turned out a clamp on the toe adjusting sleeve was loose,
letting the drag link move around. The clunk was actually the drag link's
taperd shaft gettin violently hammered in the pivot point.

Darrell & Tweety

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From: canzusseanet.com
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:06:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure Questions

At 06:22 AM 19:06:2000 -0700, Roger Lane wrote:
>A quick question to all the experts on these lists. I have an '89 F250 4X4
>with a 302 and a M5OD tranny. My question is, will a bad lifter (or two)
>cause oil pressure drops after the engine is warmed up? What I mean by
>drops is, while setting at a stop when the engine is fully warmed up, the
>pressure will momentarilly dip

How many miles on the engine?? You could be loosing
the oil pump...

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
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From: "Larry August" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Oil pressure problem
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:50:50 -0400


I have a '79 F150 4X4 with a 351M and a C6 tranny. My problem is that I can't maintain oil pressure. At start up I get about 45lbs on the newly installed mechanical gauge, but upon warm-up the pressure drops to 12-15lbs. At 60 mph the gauge is reading 18-22lbs. I've replaced the oil pump with a high volume pump but no help. The truck is "new" for me and I am just getting started restoring it.

The other question I have is any suggestion for engine swaps. I have a 351W with a C6 in another F150 that I am considering swapping into the 4X4.

TIA

Wader


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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:43:11 -0700
Subject: Re: Subject: More about brakes
From: Dave Santo home.com>

On 6/19/00, Lloyd Rantanen wrote:


> What kind of SD? CC, SC,auto,6-speed.

2000 F-250 SD/SC 4x4 V-10 LWB LB Auto

I think I've tried everything, so far.


Dave


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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:51:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roger Lane excite.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure Questions

125K on the engine. I just replaced the pump about a month ago (when this
problem first started occurring). I quess I will just have to baby it until
I can get another engine.
Thanks for everyones help.

Roger

On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:06:32 -0700 (PDT), perf-listford-trucks.com wrote:

> How many miles on the engine?? You could be loosing
> the oil pump...
>
> Steve & the Rockette
> 68 F100, 390cid, FMX
> 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
> 72 Capri 2000, hers
> 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
> 73 MGB GT, Our Toy
> 94 SHO, SWMBO's
> 98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....
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From: "wish" ford-trucks.net>
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:38:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Oil pressure problem

>I have a '79 F150 4X4 with a 351M and a C6 tranny. My problem is that I can't
maintain oil pressure. At start up I get about 45lbs on the newly installed
mechanical gauge, but upon warm-up the pressure drops to 12-15lbs. At 60 mph
the gauge is reading 18-22lbs. I've replaced the oil pump with a high volume
pump but no help. The truck is "new" for me and I am just getting started restoring
it.
>

You mentioned you had a new pump, did you put a new pickup on the pump too ?
Or clean the old one off ? Sometimes junk will build up on the bottom of the
screen and you'll be left with no oil feeding the pump ... my sister's 5.0
F250 did that and destroyed the motor in the time it took me to shut it down.



>The other question I have is any suggestion for engine swaps. I have a 351W
with a C6 in another F150 that I am considering swapping into the 4X4.
>

It kind of depends what you want to do with the truck. Usually a 351 is a little
under powered for most truck applications, but it can be warmed up cheaply and
nicely. If your truck has a married transfer case (that is the tranny and transfer
case are bolted together directly), then swapping trannies gets a bit harder
as you have to have the correct tailshaft and adapter to fit the xfer case up
to. Also you'll want a rear sump oil pan for that 351 or a lift on the truck
... just some things to remember. The motor mounts are probably not too tough
to come by, but its just one more thing in a list of things that will need changed.
A 400 would be a bolt in swap for you if you're lookin for more power.

Just my $.02
wish

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