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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list perf-list); Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 09:38:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: perf-list digest users Reply-to: perf-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: perf-list Digest V2000 #83 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts Performance, Hot-Rod and Custom Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe perf-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ perf-list Digest Mon, 19 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 083 In This Issue: Re: Cooling an HP 302 Re: [More about brakes] Re: Subject: More about brakes Re: Cooling an HP 302 Re: [More about brakes] Re: Subject: More about brakes Re: More about brakes Re: Subject: More about brakes Re: [More about brakes] Re: [More about brakes] Re: Oil Pressure Questions Oil pressure problem Re: Subject: More about brakes Re: Oil Pressure Questions Re: Oil pressure problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "wish" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:52:30 GMT Subject: Re: Cooling an HP 302 > I am not sure what it will do on the >long and short highway trips but idle in the driveway it stays on about 225 >degrees during a 90 plus day. You're wanting it a bit cooler at idle ? Also remember this is a fresh motor just breakin it, it's gonna run a bit warmer until everything gets settled in on it ... there's a lot of extra friction right now (unless you built it race spec or something).... Also when driving down the highway you will be forcing air through the radiator naturally, could even be more than that fan's pulling ... if I remember right my car's setup from the factory to shut the fan off over 48mph ... > ALSO the fan therm. is not kicking on until >very late. i think it is a 180 but you know how long it takes to get the >radiator temp. up that much. Is this unacceptable or should i look at >finding some way to add a flex fan? Should or can I get a 140 thermostat >for the electric? There are adjustable thermostats out there that will let you change where it kicks on ... or as someone else suggested, move the sensor to a warmer part of the motor ... also the radiator won't get to 180 until right around the time the motor gets warmer, because of your warmer thermostat ... >One more thing. I have a shallow pan on a C-4 that should have had a deep >pan on it. will this make the tranny run good for a few minutes then not 20 >mins. later? maybe not holding enough fluid or letting it heat up too >quick. I do not have my cooler hooked up until next week when my lines and >fittings come in. > I would definitely be hooking up that cooler ... what lines/fittings are you ordering ? most of the time I think you can just bend brake lines and such and use a standard pipe threaded nipple with a short piece of rubber between the radiator and the lines ... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 13:57:28 GMT Subject: Re: [More about brakes] >Some of us do not start with a lot of force; I (and I suspect a lot of us on >the perf. list) will ease into the brake, reach high braking and taper off to >reduce g-forces on the passengers whilst braking as effectively as possible. > Heh, after riding with most of my friends I thought I was the only one who did that with passengers in the car ... of course once those cones start dictating the path its all out the window :) Tim, just for you: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/Racing/diary.html > These are my >> brakes and my safety and my sanity and my peace of mind and these guys >> (FORD) ARE going to fix this. One way or another. > >Good luck.. If they stop, stop straight and don't fail I doubt you'll have >much going on. I hope you get lucky and have it resolved; who knows, might be >the start of a TSB for this condition. :-) > Gotta go with Tim on this one, its really only a problem if it affects the safety, or potentially affects the safety of the people or others around the car. An annoyance isn't necessarily a safety issue ... now if you could get a psychiatrist to say you're nuts and that the small vibration could send you into a psychotic episode ... then maybe you'll have a case for the safety of others. ;) Seriously though try Tim's suggestion of different stopping methods to see if that makes a difference... you said it only does it on a full stop ? Do you have ABS ? If so, then that adds another variable that could be sensing the wheels locking up because of a malfunction somewhere... Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ From: "Lloyd Rantanen" Subject: Re: Subject: More about brakes Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 10:26:13 -0600 of them so far) can say is that it is normal. BS!> What kind of SD? CC, SC,auto,6-speed. Have you tried putting it into neutral as you are stopping? Sometimes the driveline gets wound up as you stop and then releases as you take off. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:59:55 -0700 (PDT) From: shane san miguel Subject: Re: Cooling an HP 302 >pan on it. will this make the tranny run good for a few minutes then not 20 >mins. later? maybe not holding enough fluid or letting it heat up too >quick. I do not have my cooler hooked up until next week when my lines and >fittings come in. You can run it without the cooler if you want, but my C4 burned up in 50 freeway miles without the cooler hooked up.... So proceed at your own risk. I figured, "I'm just gonna run to work once....". It started slipping in 3rd about halfway there and was dead by the time I got home. Shane 55 F100 5.0 15.51 87289 Pinto __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages with Yahoo! Messenger. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:35:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [More about brakes] From: Dave Santo On 6/19/00, wish wrote: > Seriously though try Tim's suggestion of different stopping methods to see if > that makes a difference... you said it only does it on a full stop ? Do you > have ABS? If so, then that adds another variable that could be sensing the > wheels locking up because of a malfunction somewhere... I've tried forwards, backwards, 2-wheel, 4-wheel, in neutral, in drive, in 1st (thanks Brad), with ABS, without (fuse pulled) ABS. IT STILL DOES IT! I do NOT have to be going fast to experience this. When stopped at a light, the truck still does it if I release pressure on the brake pedal a bit and then apply pressure a bit to stop again after rolling maybe only ONE FOOT at a time! When I took the truck into the dealer (did not purchase from) for its first service I test-drove a brand new 2000 SD that they were going to get ready for delivery; Service Manager in the truck with me! I drove about 15 feet, stepped on the brake, slowly, for a smooth stop, and WAHL-LAA(?)... This NEWer SD did it just as bad as when I drove mine off the lot 10/27/1999! I felt it. The SM felt it. AND, you could VISIBLY SEE THE HOOD SHUDDER! Hence, the SM stating that it's "normal." ABS has been checked (?) by the selling dealer, or so he said, and he found ABS to be working properly. I don't believe it though. After he told me this and I asked him what was causing it, he could not tell me. In regards to ABS, that was the first description I used at the selling dealership to explain what I FELT. I told them it felt like the ABS releasing and instantly re-applying brakes. Also, I should add, in ONLY about 5-10% of the times I stop it doesn't do it. ONE (???) slightly warped rotor??? To me this makes a little sense. I do feel a slight rumbling vibration when beginning to slow down from highway speeds. I called PowerSlot Rotors and new Ford SD rotors will be ready in a couple of weeks. They take STOCK FORD ROTORS, cut 6 or 8 tapered grooves in the face, plate the rotor with cadmium(?) for looks, etc. and sell for, I believe, about $100 ea. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:38:54 -0700 Subject: Re: Subject: More about brakes From: Dave Santo On 6/19/00, Lloyd Rantanen wrote: > What kind of SD? CC, SC,auto,6-speed. 2000 F-250 SD/SC 4x4 V-10 LWB LB Auto I think I've tried everything, so far. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:40:59 -0700 Subject: Re: More about brakes From: Dave Santo On 6/19/00, Lloyd Rantanen wrote: > What kind of SD? CC, SC,auto,6-speed. Have you tried putting it into neutral > as you are stopping? Sometimes the driveline gets wound up as you stop and > then releases as you take off. 2000 F250 SD/SC Auto... 4x4 V-10 LWB/LB Yes. See other post just prior. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:35:45 -0400 From: Jean Marc Chartier Subject: Re: Subject: More about brakes Dave Santo wrote: > > On 6/19/00, Lloyd Rantanen wrote: > > > > What kind of SD? CC, SC,auto,6-speed. > > 2000 F-250 SD/SC 4x4 V-10 LWB LB Auto > > I think I've tried everything, so far. > > Dave > Dave, Are the hubs in the front axle completely disengaged? I would suspect that if they are hanging up (engaging), they might cause the symptoms you described. regards Jean Marc Chartier ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:45:36 -0400 From: Brad Subject: Re: [More about brakes] >Seriously though try Tim's suggestion of different stopping methods to see if >that makes a difference... you said it only does it on a full stop ? Do you >have ABS ? If so, then that adds another variable that could be sensing the >wheels locking up because of a malfunction somewhere... > >Just my $.02 >wish Yeah, but most likely if that was the case the truck would set a wheel speed sensor code of some sort, and the ABS light would come on... If they can't see the problem, ask the svc mgr to have a tech ride with you, and you make it happen.. don't be a butt, and ask the tech if the problem is your technique... make sure the person feels like they can tell you the truth... When I get a customer like this, I am much more apt to go to work for them and try to find the problem, if there really is one. Brad ------------------------------ From: JUMPINFORD aol.comDate: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:53:47 EDT Subject: Re: [More about brakes] What if it isnt your brakes at all? Any chance you have a suspension component clanking, like deformed rubber, or maybe a poly bushing that wasnt greased? Crawl under and shake everything. My dads 88 Van had a nasty clunk we couldn't find. Turned out a clamp on the toe adjusting sleeve was loose, letting the drag link move around. The clunk was actually the drag link's taperd shaft gettin violently hammered in the pivot point. Darrell & Tweety ------------------------------ From: canzus seanet.comDate: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Oil Pressure Questions At 06:22 AM 19:06:2000 -0700, Roger Lane wrote: >A quick question to all the experts on these lists. I have an '89 F250 4X4 >with a 302 and a M5OD tranny. My question is, will a bad lifter (or two) >cause oil pressure drops after the engine is warmed up? What I mean by >drops is, while setting at a stop when the engine is fully warmed up, the >pressure will momentarilly dip How many miles on the engine?? You could be loosing the oil pump... Steve & the Rockette 68 F100, 390cid, FMX 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed 72 Capri 2000, hers 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... 73 MGB GT, Our Toy 94 SHO, SWMBO's 98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine.... ------------------------------ From: "Larry August" Subject: Oil pressure problem Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 00:50:50 -0400 I have a '79 F150 4X4 with a 351M and a C6 tranny. My problem is that I can't maintain oil pressure. At start up I get about 45lbs on the newly installed mechanical gauge, but upon warm-up the pressure drops to 12-15lbs. At 60 mph the gauge is reading 18-22lbs. I've replaced the oil pump with a high volume pump but no help. The truck is "new" for me and I am just getting started restoring it. The other question I have is any suggestion for engine swaps. I have a 351W with a C6 in another F150 that I am considering swapping into the 4X4. TIA Wader ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 23:43:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Subject: More about brakes From: Dave Santo On 6/19/00, Lloyd Rantanen wrote: > What kind of SD? CC, SC,auto,6-speed. 2000 F-250 SD/SC 4x4 V-10 LWB LB Auto I think I've tried everything, so far. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 05:51:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Lane Subject: Re: Oil Pressure Questions 125K on the engine. I just replaced the pump about a month ago (when this problem first started occurring). I quess I will just have to baby it until I can get another engine. Thanks for everyones help. Roger On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:06:32 -0700 (PDT), perf-list ford-trucks.com wrote:> How many miles on the engine?? You could be loosing > the oil pump... > > Steve & the Rockette > 68 F100, 390cid, FMX > 63 F100, 292cid, 3speed > 72 Capri 2000, hers > 73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in..... > 73 MGB GT, Our Toy > 94 SHO, SWMBO's > 98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine.... > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe perf-list" in the subject of the > message. > "Accomplishing the impossible only means the boss will add it to your regular duties." _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp ------------------------------ From: "wish" Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 13:38:16 GMT Subject: Re: Oil pressure problem >I have a '79 F150 4X4 with a 351M and a C6 tranny. My problem is that I can't maintain oil pressure. At start up I get about 45lbs on the newly installed mechanical gauge, but upon warm-up the pressure drops to 12-15lbs. At 60 mph the gauge is reading 18-22lbs. I've replaced the oil pump with a high volume pump but no help. The truck is "new" for me and I am just getting started restoring it. > You mentioned you had a new pump, did you put a new pickup on the pump too ? Or clean the old one off ? Sometimes junk will build up on the bottom of the screen and you'll be left with no oil feeding the pump ... my sister's 5.0 F250 did that and destroyed the motor in the time it took me to shut it down. >The other question I have is any suggestion for engine swaps. I have a 351W with a C6 in another F150 that I am considering swapping into the 4X4. > It kind of depends what you want to do with the truck. Usually a 351 is a little under powered for most truck applications, but it can be warmed up cheaply and nicely. If your truck has a married transfer case (that is the tranny and transfer case are bolted together directly), then swapping trannies gets a bit harder as you have to have the correct tailshaft and adapter to fit the xfer case up to. Also you'll want a rear sump oil pan for that 351 or a lift on the truck ... just some things to remember. The motor mounts are probably not too tough to come by, but its just one more thing in a list of things that will need changed. A 400 would be a bolt in swap for you if you're lookin for more power. Just my $.02 wish 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com ------------------------------ End of perf-list Digest V2000 #83 ********************************* ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts Performance, Hot-Rod and Custom Truck List Send posts to perf-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe perf-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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