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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list perf-list); Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:08:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: perf-list digest users Reply-to: perf-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: perf-list Digest V2000 #81 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts Performance, Hot-Rod and Custom Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe perf-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ perf-list Digest Fri, 16 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 081 In This Issue: Re: brake rotors More about brakes More about brakes2 Re: [More about brakes] Re: More about brakes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FLR150 aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:07:09 EDT Subject: Re: brake rotors Paul, No problem. Glad to be of some help. Later, Wayne Foy NLOC #484 94 Flareside SC 1999 Fun Ford Weekend Racing series #2 Top Truck Atlanta GA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:15:38 -0700 Subject: More about brakes From: Dave Santo With all the messages of late about SD brakes and/or rotors I thought I'd bring up MY problem "again." It's NEVER gone away and all the dealer(s) (2 of them so far) can say is that it is normal. BS! My 2000 SD 4x4 V-10... in the "instant" before the truck comes to a full and complete stop, I feel a one-time shudder. And when I take off again, something feels like it "goes back to where it was." Somewhat like a rotating felling, or such. I spoke with the techs at WilWood ‹ http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wilwood.com/ ‹ and was advised that the "residual pressure" (the pressure of the fluid in the brake lines that keeps the pads "close" to the rotor) might be too high and that could make the pads somewhat "sticky". When you begin the process of stopping you press the brake pedal with a fair amount of force, but, as you are coming to a stop you slowly release your foot-pressure on the brake pedal little by little until you finally do come to a stop. In THIS case, if the residual pressure is too high, the pads/rotors will act like a lot of vehicles do, with at least front disc brakes. To explain what I mean; if you're at a stop with a disc brake vehicle and you release pressure on the brake pedal very slightly you can get that "disc-brake howl/chatter/growling noise." Sound familiar? This may be what I am getting the instant before I come to a full stop. And, when I take off from a full stop, I take my foot off the brake pedal (obviously) and if I don't stomp on the gas, but, very carefully add a tiny bit of pressure, I can kind-of feel something either releasing or, like I said above, "something goes back to where it was." Brake pads "finally" releasing from the rotor. Taking foot off brake pedal doesn't do it. Got to press the gas to get pads to release. Since 2 dealers have told me that this is normal, and I still won't believe this, I'm asking anyone on this list with a 2000 SD, or maybe even a 99, try to see if you can experience what I have, because, I'm going to step up the pressure... Ford area rep... D.O.T... F.H.T.S.A.?... etcetera! These are my brakes and my safety and my sanity and my peace of mind and these guys (FORD) ARE going to fix this. One way or another. Thanks for letting me rant a bit. -- Dave Santo dhsanto home.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:19:45 -0700 Subject: More about brakes2 From: Dave Santo Sorry, I forgot to add. Another suggestion by WilWood was to replace my current pads with ceramic pads. Can't find any on the net except for bicycles. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jun 00 21:00:03 EDT From: Tim Turner Subject: Re: [More about brakes] Dave Santo > With all the messages of late about SD brakes and/or rotors I thought I'd > bring up MY problem "again." It's NEVER gone away and all the dealer(s) (2 > of them so far) can say is that it is normal. BS! It 'might' be.. read on. > could make the pads somewhat "sticky". When you begin the process of > stopping you press the brake pedal with a fair amount of force, but, as you > are coming to a stop you slowly release your foot-pressure on the brake > pedal little by little until you finally do come to a stop. Some of us do not start with a lot of force; I (and I suspect a lot of us on the perf. list) will ease into the brake, reach high braking and taper off to reduce g-forces on the passengers whilst braking as effectively as possible. > In THIS case, if > the residual pressure is too high, the pads/rotors will act like a lot Right, the last thing to actually release the pads from the rotor is the caliper seal itself if the residual pressure is released. > releasing from the rotor. Taking foot off brake pedal doesn't do it. Got to > press the gas to get pads to release. Hmm.. > Since 2 dealers have told me that this is normal, and I still won't believe > this, Have you tried a different braking technique for experimentation? It certainly would not be the first vehicle made that exhibited odd braking behaviour in a small percentage of the owners that weren't the usual 'stomp to stop' type. The dealers may be correct in assuming it's 'normal' when they drive it in a different manner and do not duplicate the fault. > I'm asking anyone on this list with a 2000 SD, or maybe even a 99, try > to see if you can experience what I have, because, I'm going to step up the > pressure... Ford area rep... D.O.T... F.H.T.S.A.?... etcetera! These are my > brakes and my safety and my sanity and my peace of mind and these guys > (FORD) ARE going to fix this. One way or another. Good luck.. If they stop, stop straight and don't fail I doubt you'll have much going on. I hope you get lucky and have it resolved; who knows, might be the start of a TSB for this condition. :-) Tim ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:58:23 -0400 From: Brad Subject: Re: More about brakes At 03:15 AM 06/17/2000 -0700, you wrote: >With all the messages of late about SD brakes and/or rotors I thought I'd >bring up MY problem "again." It's NEVER gone away and all the dealer(s) (2 >of them so far) can say is that it is normal. BS! > >My 2000 SD 4x4 V-10... in the "instant" before the truck comes to a full >and complete stop, I feel a one-time shudder. And when I take off again, >something feels like it "goes back to where it was." Somewhat like a >rotating felling, or such. > >I spoke with the techs at WilWood ‹ http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wilwood.com/ ‹ and was >advised that the "residual pressure" (the pressure of the fluid in the brake >lines that keeps the pads "close" to the rotor) might be too high and that >could make the pads somewhat "sticky". When you begin the process of >stopping you press the brake pedal with a fair amount of force, but, as you >are coming to a stop you slowly release your foot-pressure on the brake >pedal little by little until you finally do come to a stop. In THIS case, if >the residual pressure is too high, the pads/rotors will act like a lot of >vehicles do, with at least front disc brakes. To explain what I mean; if >you're at a stop with a disc brake vehicle and you release pressure on the >brake pedal very slightly you can get that "disc-brake howl/chatter/growling >noise." Sound familiar? This may be what I am getting the instant before I >come to a full stop. > >And, when I take off from a full stop, I take my foot off the brake pedal >(obviously) and if I don't stomp on the gas, but, very carefully add a tiny >bit of pressure, I can kind-of feel something either releasing or, like I >said above, "something goes back to where it was." Brake pads "finally" >releasing from the rotor. Taking foot off brake pedal doesn't do it. Got to >press the gas to get pads to release. > >Since 2 dealers have told me that this is normal, and I still won't believe >this, I'm asking anyone on this list with a 2000 SD, or maybe even a 99, try >to see if you can experience what I have, because, I'm going to step up the >pressure... Ford area rep... D.O.T... F.H.T.S.A.?... etcetera! These are my >brakes and my safety and my sanity and my peace of mind and these guys >(FORD) ARE going to fix this. One way or another. > >Thanks for letting me rant a bit. The first thing that I would check in this case is the motor mounts and the tranny mount... Maybe one or both are defective allowing your drivetrain to actually shift when you stop, I have seen this before but usually on older vehicles where they were worn out, but could be defective... Also, just to check and make sure it isn't the tranny downshifting into 1st a little late, Manually put it into first as you come to a stop and see if it still does it... Just my take... Brad ------------------------------ End of perf-list Digest V2000 #81 ********************************* ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts Performance, Hot-Rod and Custom Truck List Send posts to perf-list ....To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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