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perf-list Digest Fri, 16 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 081

In This Issue:
Re: brake rotors
More about brakes
More about brakes2
Re: [More about brakes]
Re: More about brakes

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From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:07:09 EDT
Subject: Re: brake rotors

Paul,
No problem. Glad to be of some help.
Later,
Wayne Foy
NLOC #484
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA

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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:15:38 -0700
Subject: More about brakes
From: Dave Santo home.com>

With all the messages of late about SD brakes and/or rotors I thought I'd
bring up MY problem "again." It's NEVER gone away and all the dealer(s) (2
of them so far) can say is that it is normal. BS!

My 2000 SD 4x4 V-10... in the "instant" before the truck comes to a full
and complete stop, I feel a one-time shudder. And when I take off again,
something feels like it "goes back to where it was." Somewhat like a
rotating felling, or such.

I spoke with the techs at WilWood http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wilwood.com/ and was
advised that the "residual pressure" (the pressure of the fluid in the brake
lines that keeps the pads "close" to the rotor) might be too high and that
could make the pads somewhat "sticky". When you begin the process of
stopping you press the brake pedal with a fair amount of force, but, as you
are coming to a stop you slowly release your foot-pressure on the brake
pedal little by little until you finally do come to a stop. In THIS case, if
the residual pressure is too high, the pads/rotors will act like a lot of
vehicles do, with at least front disc brakes. To explain what I mean; if
you're at a stop with a disc brake vehicle and you release pressure on the
brake pedal very slightly you can get that "disc-brake howl/chatter/growling
noise." Sound familiar? This may be what I am getting the instant before I
come to a full stop.

And, when I take off from a full stop, I take my foot off the brake pedal
(obviously) and if I don't stomp on the gas, but, very carefully add a tiny
bit of pressure, I can kind-of feel something either releasing or, like I
said above, "something goes back to where it was." Brake pads "finally"
releasing from the rotor. Taking foot off brake pedal doesn't do it. Got to
press the gas to get pads to release.

Since 2 dealers have told me that this is normal, and I still won't believe
this, I'm asking anyone on this list with a 2000 SD, or maybe even a 99, try
to see if you can experience what I have, because, I'm going to step up the
pressure... Ford area rep... D.O.T... F.H.T.S.A.?... etcetera! These are my
brakes and my safety and my sanity and my peace of mind and these guys
(FORD) ARE going to fix this. One way or another.

Thanks for letting me rant a bit.


--
Dave Santo
dhsanto home.com


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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 03:19:45 -0700
Subject: More about brakes2
From: Dave Santo home.com>

Sorry, I forgot to add. Another suggestion by WilWood was to replace my
current pads with ceramic pads. Can't find any on the net except for
bicycles.


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Date: 17 Jun 00 21:00:03 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [More about brakes]

Dave Santo home.com> wrote:

> With all the messages of late about SD brakes and/or rotors I thought I'd
> bring up MY problem "again." It's NEVER gone away and all the dealer(s) (2
> of them so far) can say is that it is normal. BS!

It 'might' be.. read on.

> could make the pads somewhat "sticky". When you begin the process of
> stopping you press the brake pedal with a fair amount of force, but, as you
> are coming to a stop you slowly release your foot-pressure on the brake
> pedal little by little until you finally do come to a stop.

Some of us do not start with a lot of force; I (and I suspect a lot of us on
the perf. list) will ease into the brake, reach high braking and taper off to
reduce g-forces on the passengers whilst braking as effectively as possible.

> In THIS case, if
> the residual pressure is too high, the pads/rotors will act like a lot

Right, the last thing to actually release the pads from the rotor is the
caliper seal itself if the residual pressure is released.

> releasing from the rotor. Taking foot off brake pedal doesn't do it. Got to
> press the gas to get pads to release.

Hmm..

> Since 2 dealers have told me that this is normal, and I still won't believe
> this,

Have you tried a different braking technique for experimentation? It
certainly would not be the first vehicle made that exhibited odd braking
behaviour in a small percentage of the owners that weren't the usual 'stomp to
stop' type. The dealers may be correct in assuming it's 'normal' when they
drive it in a different manner and do not duplicate the fault.

> I'm asking anyone on this list with a 2000 SD, or maybe even a 99, try
> to see if you can experience what I have, because, I'm going to step up the
> pressure... Ford area rep... D.O.T... F.H.T.S.A.?... etcetera! These are my
> brakes and my safety and my sanity and my peace of mind and these guys
> (FORD) ARE going to fix this. One way or another.

Good luck.. If they stop, stop straight and don't fail I doubt you'll have
much going on. I hope you get lucky and have it resolved; who knows, might be
the start of a TSB for this condition. :-)

Tim

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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:58:23 -0400
From: Brad mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: More about brakes

At 03:15 AM 06/17/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>With all the messages of late about SD brakes and/or rotors I thought I'd
>bring up MY problem "again." It's NEVER gone away and all the dealer(s) (2
>of them so far) can say is that it is normal. BS!
>
>My 2000 SD 4x4 V-10... in the "instant" before the truck comes to a full
>and complete stop, I feel a one-time shudder. And when I take off again,
>something feels like it "goes back to where it was." Somewhat like a
>rotating felling, or such.
>
>I spoke with the techs at WilWood http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wilwood.com/ and was
>advised that the "residual pressure" (the pressure of the fluid in the brake
>lines that keeps the pads "close" to the rotor) might be too high and that
>could make the pads somewhat "sticky". When you begin the process of
>stopping you press the brake pedal with a fair amount of force, but, as you
>are coming to a stop you slowly release your foot-pressure on the brake
>pedal little by little until you finally do come to a stop. In THIS case, if
>the residual pressure is too high, the pads/rotors will act like a lot of
>vehicles do, with at least front disc brakes. To explain what I mean; if
>you're at a stop with a disc brake vehicle and you release pressure on the
>brake pedal very slightly you can get that "disc-brake howl/chatter/growling
>noise." Sound familiar? This may be what I am getting the instant before I
>come to a full stop.
>
>And, when I take off from a full stop, I take my foot off the brake pedal
>(obviously) and if I don't stomp on the gas, but, very carefully add a tiny
>bit of pressure, I can kind-of feel something either releasing or, like I
>said above, "something goes back to where it was." Brake pads "finally"
>releasing from the rotor. Taking foot off brake pedal doesn't do it. Got to
>press the gas to get pads to release.
>
>Since 2 dealers have told me that this is normal, and I still won't believe
>this, I'm asking anyone on this list with a 2000 SD, or maybe even a 99, try
>to see if you can experience what I have, because, I'm going to step up the
>pressure... Ford area rep... D.O.T... F.H.T.S.A.?... etcetera! These are my
>brakes and my safety and my sanity and my peace of mind and these guys
>(FORD) ARE going to fix this. One way or another.
>
>Thanks for letting me rant a bit.

The first thing that I would check in this case is the motor mounts and the
tranny mount... Maybe one or both are defective allowing your drivetrain to
actually shift when you stop, I have seen this before but usually on older
vehicles where they were worn out, but could be defective... Also, just to
check and make sure it isn't the tranny downshifting into 1st a little
late, Manually put it into first as you come to a stop and see if it still
does it... Just my take...

Brad



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