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perf-list Digest Wed, 16 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 006

In This Issue:
Truck bed mess
Frame
Re: 429 engine numbers
Re: 429 engine numbers
compression ratio
Re: compression ratio
Re: Frame
Re: compression ratio
Carb for an 1984 302 HO
body changing

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From: galaxie63 juno.com
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:29:49 -0600
Subject: Truck bed mess

> From: L7514 aol.com
> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:05:53 EST
> Subject: looking for a good truck bed
> Hi, I have a rust free bed with few minor dents that I got through a
purchase
> of another truck.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Lance, unless he really hacked the floor up, I'd stay with that rust free
bed. Changing out the sides is a BIG job, not for the faint of heart. If
YOU can't fix the holes, have a bodyman do it. You / he might be able to
use peices from your old floor, (just cut a peice with a cutoff wheel,
weld it in, and make new holes) If the repairs aren't pretty, just put a
bed mat over it. You can also buy a whole bed floor, but they sure aren't
cheap. Saw a NOS one at Indy this summer for $600. (67-72)
Good luck, Phil ( puting new floor in 64 F-100...now)
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From: "Joel Thomas" prodigy.net>
Subject: Frame
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:41:18 -0600


I am looking to buy a 88 f250 frame for my big truck project.
it has the full floating HD rear axle stock.
it is a diesel with a c6.
and 2wd

how hard would it be to bolt on my 1984 f150 cab
351W/T-18/NP208
and make the frontend(2wd)
to a 4wd
i think they are just leaf springs on the front end
so couldn't i just put and axle under there then run the
driveshaft and make it 4wd
are the 2wd frames different than 4wd
and also how do i know if this is a strong f250 frame
becuase i have been told there are three different f250s
a light duty with heavyduty rear springs and more heavier one
then the heavydutiest one which would this be???


thanks
Joel Thomas
Little Rock,AR


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Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:35:50 +0100 (MET)
From: Bas van der Veer dds.nl>
Subject: Re: 429 engine numbers



Op Mon, 14 Feb 2000, George Miller schreef:

> I believe the 462 is totally different and prior to the 429/460 385
series. I know production of the 429 started for Ford vehicles in '68 but
am not sure about Lincoln's start date. Maybe the wrong owner's manual?
Get a head casting number and you can be sure of what it is.

Just found out a little more about the 462-460 issue. Ford started mfg of
the 460 in '68, but used up their remaining stock of 462s. There were
~7700 continentals built, not sure how many had the 462. But that
explains why my manual says 462. But since my engine says 460 on it, I'm
pretty sure that's what it is. Besides, my mechanic ordered a 460
crankshaft seal for it and it fit. Thank god! Don't want a motor that's
been taken out of production 32 years ago.

Question: what is the compression ratio and horsepower rating of those
early (68) 460's? My engine says 10 deg btdc timing, can I safely set that
and still run pump gas?


> There are still a bunch of original 429/460 T-Birds and Lincolns with
11.3:1 C/R running around on pump gas. I'd think that if the timing had
been retarded, it wouldn't idle as smoothly as you describe.

Sure hope that's the case Whow 11.3:1 should give some awesome power &
gas mileage.

> The best source for this ID would have been The Ford V-8 Workshop
website, but the owner recently took it off the web.

Too bad. I should get a good manual to start with.


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From: Sleddog epix.net>
Subject: Re: 429 engine numbers
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:03:48 -0500

Well, I sure am happy 460 parts are more available around my area. Not
cheap, but more available. Is there a reason you don't want to use the GM
TBI? Wish I could help you.

Kevin

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From: JAMES MERLO[SMTP:JJKMER worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 6:50 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [perf-list] Re: 429 engine numbers

As far as I can find out- primarily from Edelbrock, their intake manifolds
(from Performer through Victor) do not fit "late model" heads (87 on). The
only thing I can find that happened then is the addition of fuel injection.
At first I thought this was due to the fact that you just can't bolt on a
manifold for a carburetor in the place of the fuel injection manifold (lack
of injectors, etc), but I would think that the user of a Victor is not
expecting to just change the manifold. I have struggled with this question
and have been stymied in my effort to find a better answer.

SNIPPED_____________


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From: FORDTRKMANinPA aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:29:56 EST
Subject: compression ratio

what does a compression ratio mean?
is a 13:1 ratio better than a 9:0 ratio? if so, why?

thanks for the help

bill

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From: Sleddog epix.net>
Subject: Re: compression ratio
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:01:50 -0500

CR, is simply the total volume of a cylinder, including the combustion
chamber, devided by the volume when the piston is at top dead center, the
highest position.

If a cylinder has a total of 10 cubic inches when the piston is at the
bottom, and when it is at the top, there is only one cubic inch left, the
CR would be 10:1. In that example, the piston swept a volume of 9 cubic
inches.

Generally speaking, higher is better as long as preignition or knock does
not happen, It gives greater power, and a better efficieancy. It also
effects the emmisions, economy, sound, reliabilty, etc.

For more information, I suggest spending some time the library, or surf the
net for awhile. there are tons of info out there.

Kevin


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From: FORDTRKMANinPA aol.com[SMTP:FORDTRKMANinPA aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 9:29 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [perf-list] compression ratio

what does a compression ratio mean?
is a 13:1 ratio better than a 9:0 ratio? if so, why?

thanks for the help

bill






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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: Frame
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:35:37 -0600

> I am looking to buy a 88 f250 frame for my big truck project.
> it has the full floating HD rear axle stock.
> it is a diesel with a c6.
> and 2wd
>
> how hard would it be to bolt on my 1984 f150 cab

Cab shouldn't be too big of a problem, though I would take measurements
first to be sure they didn't change any frame mounts or anything ...

> 351W/T-18/NP208

You want to swap these over too ?

> and make the frontend(2wd)
> to a 4wd

Well you won't be able to use your 1/2 ton front end for the 3/4ton ... just
a completely different system on there if I remember right ... Also the
frames might be different to support the TTB properly, you'd have to look
closely ...

Or we're selling an 89 F250HD with the full floating axle, 4x4, and 351W ...
C6 too.... if anyone knows anyone who may be interested pass it along, I can
get the price info from Dad as its his truck.

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish



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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: compression ratio
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:30:52 -0800



>
> what does a compression ratio mean?
> is a 13:1 ratio better than a 9:0 ratio? if so, why?
>
> thanks for the help
>
> bill

Basically it is a representation of the "Squeeze" the motor puts on the
intake charge after it is sealed in the combustion chamber. It is the ratio
of the volume of the combustion chamber with the piston at bottom dead
center to the volume with the piston at top dead center. This includes the
volume of the head and the head gasket when compressed.

Generally higher is better. Provides more power and better efficiency.
There are limits though. If the ratio is too high the motor will be prone
to detonation. This causes a pinging (rocks in a coffe can) sound. Bad for
the motor and will cause damage over time.

Generally for a street motor depending on the design of the combustion
chamber about 9.5:1 is the limit.

Tom H.

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From: "Vierra, William BGI SF" barclaysglobal.com>
Subject: Carb for an 1984 302 HO
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:14:01 -0800

Last Saturday I bought the 84 HO 302 for my 51 F1. I bought it without the
carburetor and am now trying to decide between a Holly 4160 and an Edelbrock
1406.

Thanks for the input.

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From: "Joel Thomas" prodigy.net>
Subject: body changing
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:22:09 -0600


I really need to know if my 1984 f150 cab will bolt onto a
70's model frame???
like a 72 or the later up to 79's

also I have been looking at a 1987 F250 2wd
frame that had a diesel and a c-6.
it iwll come with everything but the drivetrain
all the lines and steerig box and everything,
for 425$.

my question is how hard to put a front axle underneath the f250
to make it 4wd, and are the 2wd and 4wd frames different.
also i have a 351W and what are the differences between the diesel and 351W mtor mounts, it would probably be the 6.9L since its a 1987(not sure though)

thank you.
Joel Thomas
Little Rock,AR


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