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Subject: [perf-list] Fw: FW: Fw: THIS IS NOT A JOKE! - Amanda Browner
I know this isn't really the place, but it might be important for
someone...sorry to those of you who have already read this...
dave
> >> > > > > > > I WAS SENT AN E-MAIL AT WORK ABOUT SOMEONE
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:18:45 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: FW: Fw: THIS IS NOT A JOKE! - Amanda
At 11:19 PM 4/24/00 -0500, you wrote:
>I know this isn't really the place, but it might be important for
>someone...sorry to those of you who have already read this...
>dave
Please read what our FAQ on the subscription page says is
acceptable here.
>Oh yes they did! What was the Dukes main source of income? MOONSHINE
>RUNNING!!! I still love to get some of that stuff from an old buddy up in
>Tennessee. Mix one gal of that with 5 gals of premium, and WHOOHOO. Forget
>the 104+ booster. And mix it with a higher ratio of shine to gas, and you
>have yourself pure, natural race gas to rival the synthetically produced
>higher octanes we use at the track.
>
OKay, you guys gotta quit doing this to me ... you're tellin me that if I make
a still and actually start makin some moonshine I can up my octane in my gas
and maybe get my 390 the octane it needs to run full advance???
Stop that, 'cause I would also think I could make it undrinkable and not be
violating any laws .....
In a message dated 4/25/00 10:01:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
wish ford-trucks.net writes:
<< OKay, you guys gotta quit doing this to me ... you're tellin me that if I
make
a still and actually start makin some moonshine I can up my octane in my gas
and maybe get my 390 the octane it needs to run full advance???
Stop that, 'cause I would also think I could make it undrinkable and not be
violating any laws .....
Just my $.02
wish >>
Wish,
Yep. You can. Good ol' ethanol. With the outrageous prices of gas these days,
it could make a comeback. Besides, if your gonna buy watered down gas anyway,
why not make the "water" pack a punch?
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA
Greg Carter
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From: FLR150aol.com [mailto:FLR150aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 10:36 AM
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Subject: [perf-list] Re: Uncle Jesse
Wish,
Yep. You can. Good ol' ethanol. With the outrageous prices of gas these
days,
it could make a comeback. Besides, if your gonna buy watered down gas
anyway,
why not make the "water" pack a punch?
In a message dated 4/25/00 7:38:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, FLR150aol.com
writes:
<< Wish,
Yep. You can. Good ol' ethanol. With the outrageous prices of gas these
days,
it could make a comeback. Besides, if your gonna buy watered down gas
anyway,
why not make the "water" pack a punch >>
Im reminded of a Simpsons episode where Homer imagines life with an alcohol
fueled car. There he stands at the pump, one squeeze for the car, one
squeeze for himself. Now Im thinkin of a way to make the stuff, then just
put a tap on my gas tank for parties!
>Yep. You can. Good ol' ethanol. With the outrageous prices of gas these days,
>it could make a comeback.
Uhm, it never left for very long in some places, we have 89 Octane ethanol from
the pump here for the same price as 87 Octane regular. Sometimes less depending
on subsidies and stuff. Brain cramp on my part there I guess, and I never really
needed the higher octane stuff much when my truck had a tired 360 in it ...
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 20:25:33 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Bas van der Veer dds.nl>
Subject: C6 with locking torque converter? (fwd)
My friends,
I just drove about 1900 miles in three days in the beloved 78 bronco. I just
installed a tach and while playing around with it a little bit I noticed
there is about a 300 rpm difference between
full throttle and complete deceleration. 2200 rpm vs 2500 rpm 65 mph.
Let's say the transmission input shaft turns at 2300 rpm, that would make
a 200 rpm slip of the torque conveter, which is about 10%. That's quite
a bit of loss!
So I was wondering, is there a way of installing a locking torque
converter on my 351M / C6 combo without major mods to the tranny? Ideally
I would want a electric lock with a switch in the cab that I can toggle
myself, although I don't see how power could easily be transferred to the
converter. But perhaps there is a company out there that has a solution. Has
anyone ever looked into this?? Any experiences? With about 26,000 miles
per year a 10% saving works out to about 200 gal of gas. Even if
it doesn't have much financial advantage it would be a good thing to
do for the environment. Plus I have better use for my power than to heat
up my transmission :-)
Any out there that could verify if and what problems might develop and or parts that would tend to deteriorate when using the mixtures as suggested at
this site. I have most of this stuff lying round the house already and
thought I'd mix up a batch. I'm wondering about the ox sensor and the other
"sensitive" things on it. Will they be adversely affected? Long term
problems?
Thanks Guys
Brad F150 "80" 5.8 4x4
Homebrew Gasoline Octane Boosters
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I don't know about the lockup converter, but many places sell converters
with less slippage. Companies that make custom converters for specialized
applications could help you out. The cost should fall between 300-500
bucks. My custom pulling converter ran close to $500.
Kevin
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From: Bas van der Veer[SMTP:yldds.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 4:25 PM
To: ed4off-road.com; perf-listford-trucks.com
Subject: [perf-list] C6 with locking torque converter? (fwd)
My friends,
I just drove about 1900 miles in three days in the beloved 78 bronco. I
just
installed a tach and while playing around with it a little bit I noticed
there is about a 300 rpm difference between
full throttle and complete deceleration. 2200 rpm vs 2500 rpm 65 mph.
Let's say the transmission input shaft turns at 2300 rpm, that would make
a 200 rpm slip of the torque conveter, which is about 10%. That's quite
a bit of loss!
So I was wondering, is there a way of installing a locking torque
converter on my 351M / C6 combo without major mods to the tranny? Ideally
I would want a electric lock with a switch in the cab that I can toggle
myself, although I don't see how power could easily be transferred to the
converter. But perhaps there is a company out there that has a solution.
Has
anyone ever looked into this?? Any experiences? With about 26,000 miles
per year a 10% saving works out to about 200 gal of gas. Even if
it doesn't have much financial advantage it would be a good thing to
do for the environment. Plus I have better use for my power than to heat
up my transmission :-)
Bas.
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: shane san miguel yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: C6 with locking torque converter? (fwd)
10% isn't bad at all. I seem to remember a 20% loss
number being tossed around somewhere in school.
It's a fluid coupling, not a mechanical connection...
I don't know of anything for the C6 but there's always
the E4OD. It has a shifter mounted OD
engage/disengage.
Shane
55 F100 5.0
15.5187
289 Pinto
--- Bas van der Veer dds.nl> wrote:
>
>
> My friends,
>
> I just drove about 1900 miles in three days in the
> beloved 78 bronco. I just
> installed a tach and while playing around with it a
> little bit I noticed
> there is about a 300 rpm difference between
> full throttle and complete deceleration. 2200 rpm vs
> 2500 rpm 65 mph.
> Let's say the transmission input shaft turns at 2300
> rpm, that would make
> a 200 rpm slip of the torque conveter, which is
> about 10%. That's quite
> a bit of loss!
>
> So I was wondering, is there a way of installing a
> locking torque
> converter on my 351M / C6 combo without major mods
> to the tranny? Ideally
> I would want a electric lock with a switch in the
> cab that I can toggle
> myself, although I don't see how power could easily
> be transferred to the
> converter. But perhaps there is a company out there
> that has a solution. Has
> anyone ever looked into this?? Any experiences? With
> about 26,000 miles
> per year a 10% saving works out to about 200 gal of
> gas. Even if
> it doesn't have much financial advantage it would be
> a good thing to
> do for the environment. Plus I have better use for
> my power than to heat
> up my transmission :-)
>
> Bas.
>
>
>
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Date: 25 Apr 00 21:01:04 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Uglying a dually
JUMPINFORDaol.com wrote:
> Im thinking of
> converting it over to Dually, goin for a REAL fast hauler, except I WILL NOT
> do that current (ugly) trend of having a firmly slammed Dually.
Oh my goodness... you're not serious are you? People are lowering duallies
now? What a waste of a good truck! IMHO lowering only belongs on vehicles
that are being modified for cornering reasons (woo-hoo!), but now it's just a
'look' that reduces function and usually coupled with a music system that can
overpower the local VFD siren.
> Keep it up,
> so I can still meander about on the trails.
Amen. Offroad trucks can go up, sports cars can go down for 'legit' reasons
and the rest should stay where they are.
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Thanks Greg, that was very enlightening. Now where is my local paint and body
supply store.......
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA
I saw my first lowered Dually about 5 years ago.
The only good thing I can say is that they were Ch*vys, and not Fords.
Usually the rear duals are replaced with some huge single tire.
Interesting look, but not for me.
I suppose it was only a matter of time, after the lowered mini-truck phase
hit california.
Tim Turner wrote:
> JUMPINFORDaol.com wrote:
> > Im thinking of
> > converting it over to Dually, goin for a REAL fast hauler, except I WILL NOT
>
> > do that current (ugly) trend of having a firmly slammed Dually.
>
> Oh my goodness... you're not serious are you? People are lowering duallies
> now? What a waste of a good truck! IMHO lowering only belongs on vehicles
> that are being modified for cornering reasons (woo-hoo!), but now it's just a
> 'look' that reduces function and usually coupled with a music system that can
> overpower the local VFD siren.
>
> > Keep it up,
> > so I can still meander about on the trails.
>
> Amen. Offroad trucks can go up, sports cars can go down for 'legit' reasons
> and the rest should stay where they are.
>
"Davies, Don" TechGrp.com> wrote:
>
>
> -Does anyone know about an Air conditioner rebuild in the Phoenix area
Now that is a question I can answer with my eyes closed! get in touch with
Warren Willingham at AAPAK 602-254-1116 1845 N. Grand Ave. www.aapak.com
He's been active answering questions on the aircondition.com website for
longer (and more regularly) than I have and I hold him and his A/C knowledge
in high regard.
Tell him I said Hi and FTE is the reason he doesn't see me at aircondition
.com much anymore. ;-)
Tim
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In a message dated 4/25/00 2:37:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
bdeforecomputerlogic.com writes:
<< I have most of this stuff lying round the house already and
thought I'd mix up a batch. I'm wondering about the ox sensor and the other
"sensitive" things on it. Will they be adversely affected? Long term
problems? >>
Brad,
The only time you have to worry about O2 sensors and other electronical
gadgetry is when the octane rating goes above 104. The bone stock fittings,
lines, hoses, tanks, pumps and sensors should be able to stand that no
problem.
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck
Atlanta GA
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Date: 25 Apr 00 21:35:44 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [C6 with locking torque converter? (fwd)]
Bas van der Veer dds.nl> wrote:
>
>
> My friends,
>
> a 200 rpm slip of the torque conveter, which is about 10%. That's quite
> a bit of loss!
>
> anyone ever looked into this?? Any experiences? With about 26,000 miles
> per year a 10% saving works out to about 200 gal of gas. Even if
> it doesn't have much financial advantage it would be a good thing to
> do for the environment. Plus I have better use for my power than to heat
> up my transmission :-)
Seems to me the best solution if you're worried about losses and the
environment would be to install a 5 speed manual. Almost no slippage and
would use much less oil inside than an automatic. (plus isn't prone to leaking
the fluid like an auto either..)
Just a thought..
Tim
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"Brad DeFore" computerlogic.com> wrote:
> Any out there that could verify if and what problems might develop and or
> parts that would tend to deteriorate when using the mixtures as suggested
at
> this site.
Other than the MTBE I wouldn't. Re-read the disclaimer at the top of the
page. Most if not all of the chemicals mentioned aren't really compatible
with the fuel system in the long run. I may be mistaken but didn't the EPA
recently decide MTBE should be removed from gasoline also? Isopropyl alcohol
is usually diluted with water so be sure you get it 'pure' as well.
> I have most of this stuff lying round the house already and
> thought I'd mix up a batch.
You have MTBE lying around? Wow! :-)
> I'm wondering about the ox sensor and the other
> "sensitive" things on it. Will they be adversely affected? Long term
> problems?
Corrosivity of the components would be the long term problem; for a few blasts
down the strip go for it, but I wouldn't suggest a regular diet of it. If you
wanted to run it often I'd suggest changing the components over to 'alcohol
racing' parts. Also during the right conditions MTBE can glaze a plug's
insulator nose (oops.. that's MMT.. could be wrong here. hard to keep track
of all the changes to gas lately.)
Tim
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Trust me, you can squeal tires on dirt. not as much as they did, but I have done it many times.
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From: Tim Turner[SMTP:ManicMechanicNCnetscape.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 8:47 PM
To: perf-listford-trucks.com
Subject: [perf-list] Re: [Re: Uncle Jesse] & dukes
Or how it always managed to squall tires on dirt roads.. Would have been
interesting if Roscoe & Enos had SCJ equipped Ford police units eh?
Tim
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