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perf-list Digest Tue, 15 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 005

In This Issue:
Re: 429 engine numbers
Re: 429 engine numbers
Re: looking for a good truck bed
Re: 429 engine numbers
Re: 429 engine numbers

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From: "JAMES MERLO" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 429 engine numbers
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:45:08 -0600

oops I appoligize for my earlier message because I did not get rid of all
of the junk (as requested by Ken)

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> From: George Miller lv.rmci.net>
> To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: [perf-list] Re: 429 engine numbers
> Date: Monday, February 14, 2000 8:06 PM
>
> I believe the 462 is totally different and prior to the 429/460 385
series. I know production of the 429 started for Ford vehicles in '68 but
am not sure about Lincoln's start date. Maybe the wrong owner's manual? Get
a head casting number and you can be sure of what it is.
>
> There are still a bunch of original 429/460 T-Birds and Lincolns with
11.3:1 C/R running around on pump gas. I'd think that if the timing had
been retarded, it wouldn't idle as smoothly as you describe.
>
> The best source for this ID would have been The Ford V-8 Workshop
website, but the owner recently took it off the web.
>
> George Miller
>
>
>


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From: "JAMES MERLO" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 429 engine numbers
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:42:19 -0600

The 462 is completely different than the 385 series in all ways.

My question is: has anyone retrofitted port fuel injection to a 460?

I initially thought I could get a late model (87 and up) port system from a
460, but:
1) the intake manifold won't fit earlier models
2)it is just about impossible to find a 460 of any vintage (around St.
Louis), much less a later model one.

so, my thoughts are to pull a mass flow system off of a mustang/crown vic,
drill and install injectors on the manifold. I am learning more about eec
tuning from a web site. I need to find out the capcities of the MAF meters
used to make sure they flow adequate air for my mild 460.

Anybody done this before?

By the way it is way too easy to do the TBI from a big block GM and put it
on my Ford.

Jim



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> From: George Miller lv.rmci.net>
> To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: [perf-list] Re: 429 engine numbers
> Date: Monday, February 14, 2000 8:06 PM
>
> I believe the 462 is totally different and prior to the 429/460 385
series. I know production of the 429 started for Ford vehicles in '68 but
am not sure about Lincoln's start date. Maybe the wrong owner's manual? Get
a head casting number and you can be sure of what it is.
>
> There are still a bunch of original 429/460 T-Birds and Lincolns with
11.3:1 C/R running around on pump gas. I'd think that if the timing had
been retarded, it wouldn't idle as smoothly as you describe.
>
> The best source for this ID would have been The Ford V-8 Workshop
website, but the owner recently took it off the web.
>
> George Miller
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bas van der Veer [SMTP:yl dds.nl]
> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2000 2:56 PM
> To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [perf-list] Re: 429 engine numbers
>
>
>
> Speaking of these engines..
>
> I just bought a '68 lincoln with 462 engine. Is this the same as 460?
> Sticker on air cleaner actualy says 460, but the owners manual says 462.
> It has 10.25:1 compression and runs fine on 87 octane. Maybe PO retarded
> the timing, I'd have to look at that. I'm amazed though at how nice it
> runs, cold or warm you hardly notice it idling, no vibrations or
> anything. Also it starts without gassing it or anything, just turn the
> key.
>
> Anyway does anyone know more about the 462? Would they run on 87 with
> stock timing or would it be retarded?
> Bas.
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From: L7514 aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:05:53 EST
Subject: Re: looking for a good truck bed

Hi, I have a rust free bed with few minor dents that I got through a purchase
of another truck. I was planning on using it to replace my bed that is
rusted out in the rear corners and wheel wells. The guy who had the truck
thought that he'd do me a favor & remove it from the frame for me. When he
saw how hard it was going to be to get the nuts off, he got out his torch.
When he didn't like the idea of the spatter falling down around him from
under neath, he decided to "carefully" cut the heads of the bolts off flush.
Well, as you have probably already guessed, he messed up the holes in the
bed pretty bad. I was quite P.O.'ed when I saw this, but he said it'd
probably cost me less to buy new sides & have them installed on the bottom of
my original bed, than it would be to have this rust free, but hacked-up box
fixed. What does everyone on the list think? I appreciate any knowlegeable
feedback! Thank you in advance!
Lance
74 F-100 Custom
79 F-100 Ranger
95 F-350 XLT

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From: Sleddog epix.net>
Subject: Re: 429 engine numbers
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:42:19 -0500

I have never delved in to the EFI stuff except in theory. But I am
curious. Does the intake not fit because of the heads? if so, do the
later heads bolt on to the block? The ford parts would seem to be the best
way to go, at first thought.

Also, you mentioned that the since the manifold doesn't fit, you wanted to
use a MAF from the smallblocks. Is the later 460 a port injected MAF
design? If so, why not use all the parts from the lat 460, except the
intake. Put the trottle body on your intake, and install the injectors on
the manifold. Maybe I am missing something?

Kevin

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From: JAMES MERLO[SMTP:JJKMER worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:42 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [perf-list] Re: 429 engine numbers

The 462 is completely different than the 385 series in all ways.

My question is: has anyone retrofitted port fuel injection to a 460?

I initially thought I could get a late model (87 and up) port system from a
460, but:
1) the intake manifold won't fit earlier models
2)it is just about impossible to find a 460 of any vintage (around St.
Louis), much less a later model one.

so, my thoughts are to pull a mass flow system off of a mustang/crown vic,
drill and install injectors on the manifold. I am learning more about eec
tuning from a web site. I need to find out the capcities of the MAF meters
used to make sure they flow adequate air for my mild 460.

Anybody done this before?

By the way it is way too easy to do the TBI from a big block GM and put it
on my Ford.

Jim





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From: "JAMES MERLO" worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 429 engine numbers
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:50:18 -0600

As far as I can find out- primarily from Edelbrock, their intake manifolds
(from Performer through Victor) do not fit "late model" heads (87 on). The
only thing I can find that happened then is the addition of fuel injection.
At first I thought this was due to the fact that you just can't bolt on a
manifold for a carburetor in the place of the fuel injection manifold (lack
of injectors, etc), but I would think that the user of a Victor is not
expecting to just change the manifold. I have struggled with this question
and have been stymied in my effort to find a better answer.

I have also talked to several vendors of Weiand stealth and they didn't
know of the problem - I don't know if they didn't know or if it wasn't a
problem.

I would be thrilled beyond description to be able to find a 460 to use for
its fuel injection. I struggled to find a 460 to build (of any vintage),
much less finding one that had fuel injection too (in St. Louis MO region).
The small block pieces are readily available.

I haven't found any information to suggest that the later heads wouldn't
bolt to the earlier block. I am also not looking to change the heads as I
have just rebuilt the entire engine (although if I could have found the
heads before the rebuild I would have used them - and I did look).

The simplest solution is to buy a system from someone like Force Fuel
Injection who will turnkey the parts for a few thousand - I am trying to
do this on the cheap.

There is an extremely simple solution and that is to get a TBI system from
a similiar GM vehicle and transplant it over. Another even easier, but
more costly is to buy a TBI system from Turbo City ($1200). Either of
these options would give the good start and idle characteristics of EFI.

Jim





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> From: Sleddog epix.net>
> To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
> Subject: [perf-list] Re: 429 engine numbers
> Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 6:42 PM
>
> I have never delved in to the EFI stuff except in theory. But I am
> curious. Does the intake not fit because of the heads? if so, do the
> later heads bolt on to the block? The ford parts would seem to be the
best
> way to go, at first thought.
>
> Also, you mentioned that the since the manifold doesn't fit, you wanted
to
> use a MAF from the smallblocks. Is the later 460 a port injected MAF
> design? If so, why not use all the parts from the lat 460, except the
> intake. Put the trottle body on your intake, and install the injectors
on
> the manifold. Maybe I am missing something?
>


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