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perf-list Digest Tue, 18 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 048

In This Issue:
Re: 460 help
trouble while towing
Re: 460 help
Re: 460 help
Re: Quarter Mile Time
Re: trouble while towing
New 302
Re: New 302
Re: Confederate
Re: New 302
Re: [Confederate] skip if you wish being OT

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From: "Jones, Tracy" Cinergy.com>
Subject: Re: 460 help
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:08:22 -0400

Thanks Sleddog,
I know it would be money well spent and as much as I'd like to go
with the Eagle rods, I have to keep this build pocket-book practical. I
guess that means I'll lower the upper limit to 6000 RPM and resurrect those
C8 rods that I have.

I have a std. bore D1 block, which I'm going to go .030 over with.
I also have a C8 block that has already been used at .030 over and would
need to be bored again. I'll ask the shop about the sonic testing.

I may as well spew forth with the whole story. If there are any
camshaft or torque converter experts out here, please step forward.

The Truck: '79 F-250 4X4, C6 ready for rebuild, NP205, dana 44 & 60 with
4.10 gears, 33" mud T/A's, 4" Superlift springs, Warn 8274...it's a 6000lb.
weekend trail monster/street toy. I've already done the 351M to 429 swap so
the 460 will be a bolt in.

460 build: D1 block (10.310 deck) .030 over: 2YAB crank -.010-.010 internal
balance: TRW L2404F flat top pistons: re-sized C8VE rods w/ARP bolts: C9
heads with some mild port work, new valves, springs, guides, seats and
roller rockers: MSD/FMS mech. advance distributor, approx 9.6 compression if
I don't deck the block.

Camshaft?

Torque converter stall speed? This really has me perplexed. The truck
occasionally has to do farm duty/tow so I don't want to go to high with the
stall speed, right?

Any help is appreciated.
Tracy



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From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: trouble while towing
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:21:34 -0500

Hi All,
I realize that I am crossing the lists here with this post but was wondering
if someone could help. I recently purchased a 96 F150 SC 5.0, and have found
that when I tow my boat the check engine light comes on. The next day the
light goes off, does any one or has any one seen this before. Any help would
be highly appreciated.

Thanks,

Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6
96 F150 SC 5.0


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From: "Jones, Tracy" Cinergy.com>
Subject: Re: 460 help
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:21:12 -0400

add to that a Performer RPM intake and a 750 cfm gas station.


460 build: D1 block (10.310 deck) .030 over: 2YAB crank -.010-.010 internal
balance: TRW L2404F flat top pistons: re-sized C8VE rods w/ARP bolts: C9
heads with some mild port work, new valves, springs, guides, seats and
roller rockers: MSD/FMS mech. advance distributor, approx 9.6 compression if
I don't deck the block.

Camshaft?

Torque converter stall speed? This really has me perplexed. The truck
occasionally has to do farm duty/tow so I don't want to go to high with the
stall speed, right?

Any help is appreciated.
Tracy


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From: Sleddog epix.net>
Subject: Re: 460 help
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:50:13 -0400

I wouldn't say that stock rods mean you can't turn the R's. But, proper
prep, inspection, can make a stock rod last alot longer. There are many
places that give good info on prepping rods, from deburring, to shot
peening. I understand the whole money thing. It was just a comparison.

Camshaft is a personal choice. The stall speed, will also depend on cam
choice for your converter. The biggest factor though, is how will you be
driving it?

First though, make sure that at highway speeds, your engine is turning over
the stall speed. If it isn't, it sucks fuel, heats the tranny up, and
doesn't drive nicely on long rides. Stall speed, depends on tire size,
gear ratios, vehicle weight, engine torque, and converter size/design.
Don't just buy one because od what stall it is advertised for. Call, and
talk to many different techs to get a good idea of what they suggest is my
recommendation. You might even find, an RV (low stall) converter fits your
needs better than a stock one. Maybe a stock one is just fine. GER in
reaading PA (sorry, no number handy) has treated me well with good
converter advice. (I am not affiliated with them.) They made both of my
last 2 converters, one of which is a custom pulling only converter for the
track.

As for cams, one of the hydraulic haulers from Crower, or a similiar sized
cam sounds like a place to start, but that is only my opinion. I have lots
of those. Like, i've never had a cam that was too big, and dual plane
manifolds really aren't better.

Kevin

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From: Jones, Tracy[SMTP:TracyJones cinergy.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 4:08 PM
To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: [perf-list] Re: 460 help

Thanks Sleddog,
I know it would be money well spent and as much as I'd like to go
with the Eagle rods, I have to keep this build pocket-book practical. I
guess that means I'll lower the upper limit to 6000 RPM and resurrect those
C8 rods that I have.

I have a std. bore D1 block, which I'm going to go .030 over with.
I also have a C8 block that has already been used at .030 over and would
need to be bored again. I'll ask the shop about the sonic testing.

I may as well spew forth with the whole story. If there are any
camshaft or torque converter experts out here, please step forward.

The Truck: '79 F-250 4X4, C6 ready for rebuild, NP205, dana 44 & 60 with
4.10 gears, 33" mud T/A's, 4" Superlift springs, Warn 8274...it's a 6000lb.
weekend trail monster/street toy. I've already done the 351M to 429 swap
so
the 460 will be a bolt in.

460 build: D1 block (10.310 deck) .030 over: 2YAB crank -.010-.010 internal
balance: TRW L2404F flat top pistons: re-sized C8VE rods w/ARP bolts: C9
heads with some mild port work, new valves, springs, guides, seats and
roller rockers: MSD/FMS mech. advance distributor, approx 9.6 compression
if
I don't deck the block.

Camshaft?

Torque converter stall speed? This really has me perplexed. The truck
occasionally has to do farm duty/tow so I don't want to go to high with the
stall speed, right?

Any help is appreciated.
Tracy






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From: FLR150 aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:26:00 EDT
Subject: Re: Quarter Mile Time

In a message dated 4/18/00 12:11:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
v8pinto yahoo.com writes:

<< What's the SC for? I'm not familiar with the model.
>>
Shane,
SUPER Cab....
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck

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From: FLR150aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:33:42 EDT
Subject: Re: trouble while towing

In a message dated 4/18/00 4:16:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
prozelloaielectronics.com writes:

<< I recently purchased a 96 F150 SC 5.0, and have found
that when I tow my boat the check engine light comes on. The next day the
light goes off, does any one or has any one seen this before. Any help would
be highly appreciated. >>
Paul,
have you run the codes? I can tell you what the code(s) mean if you can tell
me what the code is.
Later,
Wayne Foy
94 Flareside SC
1999 Fun Ford Weekend
Racing series
#2 Top Truck

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From: "Bad Brian" hotmail.com>
Subject: New 302
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:00:39 PDT


Hope soemone can shed a little light i may have missed. I got my 302 in and
have not had a lot of time to play with it but have run it a few times. The
first few runs after some idleing and light cruising were with open headers.
It ran like a scalded dog through first gear and about 2nd gear shift was
out of fuel. This was due to a low pressure back-up while i found another
carter to put back on it. Now I have put my carter back on, regulator and
gauge, alum. lines throughout. I also put a couple flowmasters on temporary
to drive it to the muffler shop. one is 18" off the headers and one is
about 4 ft back in original location. the engine runs now like it has one
cylinder not firing properly. could the difference in distances between the
mufflers cause this? I dont see anything that could have happened. Could
the skip have already been there but not showed up until i got mufflers?
The engine is edelbrock and motorsports all the way through.

thank guys


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From: "James D" enol.com>
Subject: Re: New 302
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:49:02 -0700

My corvette's exaust goes from headers to pipes to cherry bombs, but one of
the cherry bombs is missing at the moment, but I have been driving it around
for a few days and I don't think there has been any difference (except for
it being damn loud).


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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:37:15 -0700
From: Dan Laray earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Confederate

Nice piece of revisionist history. Let's keep it to Ford performance.
Dan

Joel Thomas wrote:

> I hate it when I read stories about the blacks always trying to get the
> confederate
> memories and honors taken off of different statues and buildings.
> If the NAACP knew that the Civil War was not totally fought about slavery
> they would better understand, even blacks fought for the south because they
> were treated VERY good. White people worked int eh fields right along side
> them and most of the time ate with them too. It disgusts me that they wan't
> all the flags and memoriabilia removed then want a day preserved to
> celebrate Martin Luther King Jr. The Civil War changed history million times
> over anything the black activists did. And also when they want to get repaid
> for something their ancestors did (WORK) that they don't even do know, most
> lower class blacks don't earn there money the hard they choose the easy way,
> drugs,pimps,etc... Yes I know whites do too but we aren't complaining about
> how the yanks treated us back in middle 1800's. People we have to move on
> but fighting to get someone elses honor taking away then get you honor made
> is NEVER gonna amount to anything, except another Civil War but the only
> problem with that is no one cares about that anymore, and they should. We
> have to fight to honor our ancestors and some of our great grandfathers that
> fought to keep the south, and even though they lost the war, now they
> realize how many poeple below the mason-dixie line still salute them and the
> flag in honor for there courage and perseverance.
>
> Joel Thomas
> Little Rock,AR
>
> in regards to story on MSNBC
> Joe Davidson, Editor
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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:35:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: shane san miguel yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New 302

Yeah, I don't think the muffler location has anything
to do with a performance decrease of the order that he
is talking about. My guess is electronics.

Shane
55 F100 5.0
15.5187
289 Pinto

--- James D enol.com> wrote:
> My corvette's exaust goes from headers to pipes to
> cherry bombs, but one of
> the cherry bombs is missing at the moment, but I


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Date: 19 Apr 00 22:10:32 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Confederate] skip if you wish being OT


Regardless of my own personal views I'd like to see a post (elsewhere) that
was free of spelling or grammatical errors. Hard to make your point
otherwise. I'm sure there's more than one Ford wearing the battle flag out
there.

"Joel Thomas" PRODIGY.NET> wrote:

>
> I hate it when I read stories about the blacks always trying to get the
> confederate
> memories and honors taken off of different statues and buildings.

A quick look at the TV will reveal it's not just blacks.

> If the NAACP knew that the Civil War was not totally fought about slavery
> they would better understand,

Agreed; it was about states rights among other things but slavery is the most
remembered topic and I wouldn't paint just the NAACP with that brush.

> even blacks fought for the south because they
> were treated VERY good.

I'm sure pets think they have it well too with free food, room & board and
only an occasional spat on the butt for mis-behavior. I would NOT say they
were treated VERY well as a general rule.

> White people worked int eh fields right along side
> them

Often with power over them rather than as a 'co-worker'

> and most of the time ate with them too.

When it's time to eat (OTJ) you eat.. I'd prefer not to eat with one or more
of my co-workers (NOT for racial reasons) but on occasion I do; when the food
is there it's time to grub!

> It disgusts me that they wan't
> all the flags and memoriabilia removed

I agree to a point, but my heritage being of English & Scotch with ancestors
back to the Pilgrims for the USA and one owning 'Bunker Hill' How many flags
should I fly on my pole? My fiancee is of Italian origin; should I add yet
another flag to my ever enlarging flagpole?


> then want a day preserved to
> celebrate Martin Luther King Jr.

A great man for what he was trying to do.. does it warrant a federal holliday?
I don't know. I don't take off work for any of the President's days so I
certainly don't see MLK as being more deserving of such.

> lower class blacks don't earn there money the hard they choose the easy
way,
> drugs,pimps,etc...

Sorry.. there are too many trying against the odds to get out of poor
conditions to support that statement

> Yes I know whites do too

Yep.. Too many to class it as "low class blacks". Let's try poor people of
all races. Think about it.. $5.00/Hour at McDonalds with (almost) zero chance
of dying or $500/Day with a 1% chance of dying on any given day and you're
young. What do you chose?

> but we aren't complaining about
> how the yanks treated us back in middle 1800's.

We complained in 1776!

> People we have to move on

Amen.. Let me fly my flag(s) of choice and I'll do the same. Anyone wanting
to fly an African flag UNDER the USA flag is fine with me and I'd ask the same
right (of choice in flag in return).

> but fighting to get someone elses honor taking away then get you honor made
> is NEVER gonna amount to anything, except another Civil War

It may be coming.. at the common level I think things were better 10 years ago
in many respects regarding relations among races.

> but the only
> problem with that is no one cares about that anymore, and they should.

I'm proud of mine on BOTH sides as they fought and died for what they belived
in. One can ask no more of a soldier than that.

> We
> have to fight to honor our ancestors and some of our great grandfathers >
that
> fought to keep the south, and even though they lost the war, now they
> realize how many poeple below the mason-dixie line still salute them and
the
> flag in honor for there courage and perseverance.

I salute that AND what my ancestors from the regiments in Maine stood for.
Just as my political leanings are to one side I don't condemn the other side
for their (mistaken?) views.


Some years ago (1982?) a friend of mine was beaten due to having a
confederate flag painted on the trunk of his hopped-up Maverick. Suprisingly
the people that did it looked to be of Hispanic origin; Didn't the Spanish
start bringing in slaves to this country?

Maybe Isabella should have told Christopher Columbus to stay home...

>
> Joel Thomas
> Little Rock,AR

Tim
Wilmington NC

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