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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list perf-list); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:09:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: perf-list digest users Reply-to: perf-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: perf-list Digest V2000 #48 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts Performance, Hot-Rod and Custom Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe perf-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ perf-list Digest Tue, 18 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 048 In This Issue: Re: 460 help trouble while towing Re: 460 help Re: 460 help Re: Quarter Mile Time Re: trouble while towing New 302 Re: New 302 Re: Confederate Re: New 302 Re: [Confederate] skip if you wish being OT ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jones, Tracy" Subject: Re: 460 help Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:08:22 -0400 Thanks Sleddog, I know it would be money well spent and as much as I'd like to go with the Eagle rods, I have to keep this build pocket-book practical. I guess that means I'll lower the upper limit to 6000 RPM and resurrect those C8 rods that I have. I have a std. bore D1 block, which I'm going to go .030 over with. I also have a C8 block that has already been used at .030 over and would need to be bored again. I'll ask the shop about the sonic testing. I may as well spew forth with the whole story. If there are any camshaft or torque converter experts out here, please step forward. The Truck: '79 F-250 4X4, C6 ready for rebuild, NP205, dana 44 & 60 with 4.10 gears, 33" mud T/A's, 4" Superlift springs, Warn 8274...it's a 6000lb. weekend trail monster/street toy. I've already done the 351M to 429 swap so the 460 will be a bolt in. 460 build: D1 block (10.310 deck) .030 over: 2YAB crank -.010-.010 internal balance: TRW L2404F flat top pistons: re-sized C8VE rods w/ARP bolts: C9 heads with some mild port work, new valves, springs, guides, seats and roller rockers: MSD/FMS mech. advance distributor, approx 9.6 compression if I don't deck the block. Camshaft? Torque converter stall speed? This really has me perplexed. The truck occasionally has to do farm duty/tow so I don't want to go to high with the stall speed, right? Any help is appreciated. Tracy ------------------------------ From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell) Subject: trouble while towing Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:21:34 -0500 Hi All, I realize that I am crossing the lists here with this post but was wondering if someone could help. I recently purchased a 96 F150 SC 5.0, and have found that when I tow my boat the check engine light comes on. The next day the light goes off, does any one or has any one seen this before. Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks, Paul Rozell 65 F100 460 C6 96 F150 SC 5.0 ------------------------------ From: "Jones, Tracy" Subject: Re: 460 help Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:21:12 -0400 add to that a Performer RPM intake and a 750 cfm gas station. 460 build: D1 block (10.310 deck) .030 over: 2YAB crank -.010-.010 internal balance: TRW L2404F flat top pistons: re-sized C8VE rods w/ARP bolts: C9 heads with some mild port work, new valves, springs, guides, seats and roller rockers: MSD/FMS mech. advance distributor, approx 9.6 compression if I don't deck the block. Camshaft? Torque converter stall speed? This really has me perplexed. The truck occasionally has to do farm duty/tow so I don't want to go to high with the stall speed, right? Any help is appreciated. Tracy ------------------------------ From: Sleddog Subject: Re: 460 help Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 17:50:13 -0400 I wouldn't say that stock rods mean you can't turn the R's. But, proper prep, inspection, can make a stock rod last alot longer. There are many places that give good info on prepping rods, from deburring, to shot peening. I understand the whole money thing. It was just a comparison. Camshaft is a personal choice. The stall speed, will also depend on cam choice for your converter. The biggest factor though, is how will you be driving it? First though, make sure that at highway speeds, your engine is turning over the stall speed. If it isn't, it sucks fuel, heats the tranny up, and doesn't drive nicely on long rides. Stall speed, depends on tire size, gear ratios, vehicle weight, engine torque, and converter size/design. Don't just buy one because od what stall it is advertised for. Call, and talk to many different techs to get a good idea of what they suggest is my recommendation. You might even find, an RV (low stall) converter fits your needs better than a stock one. Maybe a stock one is just fine. GER in reaading PA (sorry, no number handy) has treated me well with good converter advice. (I am not affiliated with them.) They made both of my last 2 converters, one of which is a custom pulling only converter for the track. As for cams, one of the hydraulic haulers from Crower, or a similiar sized cam sounds like a place to start, but that is only my opinion. I have lots of those. Like, i've never had a cam that was too big, and dual plane manifolds really aren't better. Kevin ---------- From: Jones, Tracy[SMTP:TracyJones cinergy.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 4:08 PM To: 'perf-list ford-trucks.com' Subject: [perf-list] Re: 460 help Thanks Sleddog, I know it would be money well spent and as much as I'd like to go with the Eagle rods, I have to keep this build pocket-book practical. I guess that means I'll lower the upper limit to 6000 RPM and resurrect those C8 rods that I have. I have a std. bore D1 block, which I'm going to go .030 over with. I also have a C8 block that has already been used at .030 over and would need to be bored again. I'll ask the shop about the sonic testing. I may as well spew forth with the whole story. If there are any camshaft or torque converter experts out here, please step forward. The Truck: '79 F-250 4X4, C6 ready for rebuild, NP205, dana 44 & 60 with 4.10 gears, 33" mud T/A's, 4" Superlift springs, Warn 8274...it's a 6000lb. weekend trail monster/street toy. I've already done the 351M to 429 swap so the 460 will be a bolt in. 460 build: D1 block (10.310 deck) .030 over: 2YAB crank -.010-.010 internal balance: TRW L2404F flat top pistons: re-sized C8VE rods w/ARP bolts: C9 heads with some mild port work, new valves, springs, guides, seats and roller rockers: MSD/FMS mech. advance distributor, approx 9.6 compression if I don't deck the block. Camshaft? Torque converter stall speed? This really has me perplexed. The truck occasionally has to do farm duty/tow so I don't want to go to high with the stall speed, right? Any help is appreciated. Tracy ------------------------------ From: FLR150 aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:26:00 EDT Subject: Re: Quarter Mile Time In a message dated 4/18/00 12:11:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, v8pinto yahoo.com writes: << What's the SC for? I'm not familiar with the model. >> Shane, SUPER Cab.... Later, Wayne Foy 94 Flareside SC 1999 Fun Ford Weekend Racing series #2 Top Truck ------------------------------ From: FLR150 aol.comDate: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:33:42 EDT Subject: Re: trouble while towing In a message dated 4/18/00 4:16:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, prozell oaielectronics.com writes:<< I recently purchased a 96 F150 SC 5.0, and have found that when I tow my boat the check engine light comes on. The next day the light goes off, does any one or has any one seen this before. Any help would be highly appreciated. >> Paul, have you run the codes? I can tell you what the code(s) mean if you can tell me what the code is. Later, Wayne Foy 94 Flareside SC 1999 Fun Ford Weekend Racing series #2 Top Truck ------------------------------ From: "Bad Brian" Subject: New 302 Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:00:39 PDT Hope soemone can shed a little light i may have missed. I got my 302 in and have not had a lot of time to play with it but have run it a few times. The first few runs after some idleing and light cruising were with open headers. It ran like a scalded dog through first gear and about 2nd gear shift was out of fuel. This was due to a low pressure back-up while i found another carter to put back on it. Now I have put my carter back on, regulator and gauge, alum. lines throughout. I also put a couple flowmasters on temporary to drive it to the muffler shop. one is 18" off the headers and one is about 4 ft back in original location. the engine runs now like it has one cylinder not firing properly. could the difference in distances between the mufflers cause this? I dont see anything that could have happened. Could the skip have already been there but not showed up until i got mufflers? The engine is edelbrock and motorsports all the way through. thank guys http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.webshoppe.net/users/briana/pictures.htm ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "James D" Subject: Re: New 302 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:49:02 -0700 My corvette's exaust goes from headers to pipes to cherry bombs, but one of the cherry bombs is missing at the moment, but I have been driving it around for a few days and I don't think there has been any difference (except for it being damn loud). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:37:15 -0700 From: Dan Laray Subject: Re: Confederate Nice piece of revisionist history. Let's keep it to Ford performance. Dan Joel Thomas wrote: > I hate it when I read stories about the blacks always trying to get the > confederate > memories and honors taken off of different statues and buildings. > If the NAACP knew that the Civil War was not totally fought about slavery > they would better understand, even blacks fought for the south because they > were treated VERY good. White people worked int eh fields right along side > them and most of the time ate with them too. It disgusts me that they wan't > all the flags and memoriabilia removed then want a day preserved to > celebrate Martin Luther King Jr. The Civil War changed history million times > over anything the black activists did. And also when they want to get repaid > for something their ancestors did (WORK) that they don't even do know, most > lower class blacks don't earn there money the hard they choose the easy way, > drugs,pimps,etc... Yes I know whites do too but we aren't complaining about > how the yanks treated us back in middle 1800's. People we have to move on > but fighting to get someone elses honor taking away then get you honor made > is NEVER gonna amount to anything, except another Civil War but the only > problem with that is no one cares about that anymore, and they should. We > have to fight to honor our ancestors and some of our great grandfathers that > fought to keep the south, and even though they lost the war, now they > realize how many poeple below the mason-dixie line still salute them and the > flag in honor for there courage and perseverance. > > Joel Thomas > Little Rock,AR > > in regards to story on MSNBC > Joe Davidson, Editor > > ========================================================== > To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with> the words "unsubscribe perf-list" in the subject of the > message. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:35:52 -0700 (PDT) From: shane san miguel Subject: Re: New 302 Yeah, I don't think the muffler location has anything to do with a performance decrease of the order that he is talking about. My guess is electronics. Shane 55 F100 5.0 15.51 87289 Pinto --- James D > My corvette's exaust goes from headers to pipes to > cherry bombs, but one of > the cherry bombs is missing at the moment, but I __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://invites.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 00 22:10:32 EDT From: Tim Turner Subject: Re: [Confederate] skip if you wish being OT Regardless of my own personal views I'd like to see a post (elsewhere) that was free of spelling or grammatical errors. Hard to make your point otherwise. I'm sure there's more than one Ford wearing the battle flag out there. "Joel Thomas" > > I hate it when I read stories about the blacks always trying to get the > confederate > memories and honors taken off of different statues and buildings. A quick look at the TV will reveal it's not just blacks. > If the NAACP knew that the Civil War was not totally fought about slavery > they would better understand, Agreed; it was about states rights among other things but slavery is the most remembered topic and I wouldn't paint just the NAACP with that brush. > even blacks fought for the south because they > were treated VERY good. I'm sure pets think they have it well too with free food, room & board and only an occasional spat on the butt for mis-behavior. I would NOT say they were treated VERY well as a general rule. > White people worked int eh fields right along side > them Often with power over them rather than as a 'co-worker' > and most of the time ate with them too. When it's time to eat (OTJ) you eat.. I'd prefer not to eat with one or more of my co-workers (NOT for racial reasons) but on occasion I do; when the food is there it's time to grub! > It disgusts me that they wan't > all the flags and memoriabilia removed I agree to a point, but my heritage being of English & Scotch with ancestors back to the Pilgrims for the USA and one owning 'Bunker Hill' How many flags should I fly on my pole? My fiancee is of Italian origin; should I add yet another flag to my ever enlarging flagpole? > then want a day preserved to > celebrate Martin Luther King Jr. A great man for what he was trying to do.. does it warrant a federal holliday? I don't know. I don't take off work for any of the President's days so I certainly don't see MLK as being more deserving of such. > lower class blacks don't earn there money the hard they choose the easy way, > drugs,pimps,etc... Sorry.. there are too many trying against the odds to get out of poor conditions to support that statement > Yes I know whites do too Yep.. Too many to class it as "low class blacks". Let's try poor people of all races. Think about it.. $5.00/Hour at McDonalds with (almost) zero chance of dying or $500/Day with a 1% chance of dying on any given day and you're young. What do you chose? > but we aren't complaining about > how the yanks treated us back in middle 1800's. We complained in 1776! > People we have to move on Amen.. Let me fly my flag(s) of choice and I'll do the same. Anyone wanting to fly an African flag UNDER the USA flag is fine with me and I'd ask the same right (of choice in flag in return). > but fighting to get someone elses honor taking away then get you honor made > is NEVER gonna amount to anything, except another Civil War It may be coming.. at the common level I think things were better 10 years ago in many respects regarding relations among races. > but the only > problem with that is no one cares about that anymore, and they should. I'm proud of mine on BOTH sides as they fought and died for what they belived in. One can ask no more of a soldier than that. > We > have to fight to honor our ancestors and some of our great grandfathers > that > fought to keep the south, and even though they lost the war, now they > realize how many poeple below the mason-dixie line still salute them and the > flag in honor for there courage and perseverance. I salute that AND what my ancestors from the regiments in Maine stood for. Just as my political leanings are to one side I don't condemn the other side for their (mistaken?) views. Some years ago (1982?) a friend of mine was beaten due to having a confederate flag painted on the trunk of his hopped-up Maverick. Suprisingly the people that did it looked to be of Hispanic origin; Didn't the Spanish start bringing in slaves to this country? Maybe Isabella should have told Christopher Columbus to stay home... > > Joel Thomas > Little Rock,AR Tim Wilmington NC ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ End of perf-list Digest V2000 #48 ********************************* ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts Performance, Hot-Rod and Custom Truck List Send posts to perf-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe perf-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- |