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perf-list Digest Thu, 09 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 023

In This Issue:
Re: Oil Pan Removal
ADMIN: Archives online, this time for real!
Re: Oil Pan Removal
REAR END SWAP!!!
Re: Oil Pan Removal
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: Engine Temps
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: REAR END SWAP!!!
Re: REAR END SWAP!!!
Re: Ford Truck Kills
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:00:54 -0600
From: Buck Shoff sktc.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Pan Removal

I have a little trick to remove the top half of the bearing. Find a
short bolt that will fit in the oil hole in the crank and shave the head
down to slightly less than the bearing shell thickness. Install the
bolt in the crankshaft hole and turn the crank until the bolt head
contacts the bearing shell opposite the locking tab. Continue to turn
the crank and the top bearing rolls right out. This has worked real
slick for me on larger diesel engines. I have never used this method on
a car/light truck engine, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. Oh yeah,
the engine will run alot better if you remove your new tool.

The bearings come out easier if you slightly loosen all the other
mains. Plan on changing the front and rear main seals, as they will
leak if you don't.
Enjoy. Buck Shoff

James Steele wrote:
>
> Seriously, I've only seen it done on an import engine, but the procedure
> (once you get the oil pan off, and go through all the contortions that have
> already been mentioned) seems to center around removing the upper bearing
> halves (obviously, the lowers come off with the main caps), which have to be
> "nudged" out. You can take a screwdriver and CAREFULLY apply pressure to
> one side of the upper bearing half until the other side protrudes enough to
> remove it. BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO SCRATCH THE CRANK!!!! The use the same
> procedure to replace the upper half.
>
> When it's all said and done, this method of replacing main bearings is a
> very temporary remedy. You're far better off to remove the engine, so that
> you can also check the crank carefully (and in GOOD light) for scratches and
> wear.

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 21:41:36 -0500
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From: "Brad DeFore" computerlogic.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Pan Removal
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:07:13 -0500

I have seen my Father remove them by cutting an old one in half and butting
it up against those on the engine, then tapping it gently until he could
grab the one on the engine with a pair of pliers from the other side.

Another Brad

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Subject: [perf-list] Re: Oil Pan Removal

>you can take the cap off, but I don't see how you could replace all the
>bearings and races without taking the transmission out.



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From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: REAR END SWAP!!!
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 07:35:07 -0600

Hi All,
I am wondering if anyone on the list has swapped out the rear end on a 65
F100. I have obtained a 31 spline 9" from a 70's model truck. I pulled my
rear end out last night only to find that the new rear end is wider and the
spring perches are not located the same!!!! One of those things I should
have checked first. Oh well hind sight is allways 20/20. Any information
would be highly appreciated. Will this rear end work at all? I have heard
that the 31 spline is the better of the rear ends, the original rear end in
the truck is a 28 spline.

Help please!!!!
Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6(no rear end!!)


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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 05:46:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Roger Lane excite.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Pan Removal

I want to thank everyone for their insight into replacing bearings w/ the
engine in place. After reading all of your posts and discussing this w/
some local shops, I have come to a conclusion. I'm going to find another
5.0L engine and rebuild it, then swap it w/ the one in the truck. I have
never rebuilt an engine yet, at least not a V8. I have done several small
engines, like lawn mowers, chain saws and the like. I think this will be a
very interesting (and fun) project for me. Once again, thank you for all of
your help.

Roger

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regular duties."





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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:20:50 -0600

> << Also if you're runnin brackets, isn't it closest to ET and
> doesn't really
> matter who wins across the line or if you red-light ?
> >>
> Ummm Wish, I guess you haven't bracket raced much. If you redlight, YOU
> LOSE!!! No if ands or buts about it. A red-light is one for the
> loss column.

Nope, this straight line stuff is foreign to me (now put a curve in the
track and I might be able to deal with it ...) ...

Anyway the only racing my Dad and my gf's Dad know anything about is heads
up, and I know its a loss there ... but I was under the impression
(apparently wrong) that there was some form where you just tried to get as
close to the time you said you were gonna and it didn't matter if you
red-lighted or not 'cause it doesn't affect the time it takes to get down
the track ...

Anyone wanna fill me in on what the "new" racing stuff is all about ?

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: Engine Temps
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 08:26:27 -0600

> Actually, the engine I was referring to was a stock 1988 5.0 in a
> stock 1988
> Mustang. As I said, it was winter, about 45 degrees. Took over 10 miles
> for the temperature gauge to move at all and the heater temperature never
> got even warm.

Sounds like a flow problem not really an engine related one, unless you put
a 160deg thermostat in or something ... the gauges those years are notorios
for giving bad readings, or having the sending unit not give all it needs to
... at leas that's what my experience has shown ... the other possibility is
a locked fan clutch, spin that fan all the time at engine RPM and you have
some major issues ...

*shrug* oh well, if your winters are only 45 degrees then I don't think you
have a lot to complain about on it ;)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 10:52:35 -0800


> Anyway the only racing my Dad and my gf's Dad know anything
> about is heads
> up, and I know its a loss there ... but I was under the impression
> (apparently wrong) that there was some form where you just
> tried to get as
> close to the time you said you were gonna and it didn't matter if you
> red-lighted or not 'cause it doesn't affect the time it takes
> to get down
> the track ...
>
> Anyone wanna fill me in on what the "new" racing stuff is all about ?
>
The "new" racing stuff is about trying to get entry level racers off the
streets and onto the track. It's not as much about safety on the streets as
it is about profitability of the track. Usually these bracket races are
held on weeknights when the track would be closed anyway. It doesn't
interfere with the normal sanctioned heads up points competition held on the
weekend. What you described sounds close to bracket racing except for the
redlight part. You probably caught my description earlier this week so I
won't do it again, unless you ask. ;-). Another advantage to bracket racing
is that anyone with any car can compete and someone with extra bucks to make
the car faster doesn't necessarily have an advantage. (Course someone who
can spend more to make his car more consistent would be ahead.).

Tom H.

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:04:30 -0800 (PST)
From: shane san miguel yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: REAR END SWAP!!!

The 31 spline is definitely a stronger unit. I think
you scored big time on this one, even though the
housing won't fit your truck. Why don't you do this:

Take the 31 spline axles and dropout section out of
the housing that is too big and put them in your old
housing. You wouldn't even have to change the backing
plates and brakes. And you'd have a darn stout rear
axle.

Shane
55 F100 5.0
15.5187
289 Pinto - 306 w/NOS on the stand!

--- "OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell"
oaielectronics.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I am wondering if anyone on the list has swapped out
> the rear end on a 65
> F100. I have obtained a 31 spline 9" from a 70's
> model truck. I pulled my
> rear end out last night only to find that the new
> rear end is wider and the
> spring perches are not located the same!!!! One of
> those things I should
> have checked first. Oh well hind sight is allways
> 20/20. Any information
> would be highly appreciated. Will this rear end work
> at all? I have heard
> that the 31 spline is the better of the rear ends,
> the original rear end in
> the truck is a 28 spline.
>
> Help please!!!!
> Paul Rozell
> 65 F100 460 C6(no rear end!!)
>
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From: "david" prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: REAR END SWAP!!!
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:23:01 -0000

Two options come to mind,If you must have the 31 spline rear,put the pumpkin
in your rear,and have the axles cut down to the right length.i would only do
this if I were drag racing.Second,again,put your rear back,and find a 28
spline pumpkin(center section).They were put in all kinds of cars and trucks
over the years.A third idea comes to mind.rebuild your pumpkin.Not sure what
gears are in my 66,but it's around a3.70 ratio.Pulls hard with a 428 in
it.No matter what,keep the rear brakes from the newer rear.They are
wider,and will give more stopping power.You'll need everything from the
backing plates out..............dave
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Subject: [perf-list] REAR END SWAP!!!


> Hi All,
> I am wondering if anyone on the list has swapped out the rear end on a 65
> F100. I have obtained a 31 spline 9" from a 70's model truck. I pulled my
> rear end out last night only to find that the new rear end is wider and
the
> spring perches are not located the same!!!! One of those things I should
> have checked first. Oh well hind sight is allways 20/20. Any information
> would be highly appreciated. Will this rear end work at all? I have heard
> that the 31 spline is the better of the rear ends, the original rear end
in
> the truck is a 28 spline.
>
> Help please!!!!
> Paul Rozell
> 65 F100 460 C6(no rear end!!)
>
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From: "Joe Merchak" eclipse.net>
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:21:55 -0500

You red light you lose, plus they were only doing a 1/8 mile, if it was a
1/4 he would of lost by at least a car length

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[mailto:perf-list-bounceford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of William S. Hart
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 9:26 AM
To: perf-listford-trucks.com
Subject: [perf-list] Re: Ford Truck Kills


> Hey I just noticed, he red lighted thats why he one
>

Wow, everyone brings this up ... here's a couple of my points with it

a) so what he red lighted, that's still a darn fast truck!
b) the purpose was to find out if anyone knew anything about that truck
c) its just funny to see even if he did cheat a little the bird should've
been able to catch him if it was that fast ...

Also if you're runnin brackets, isn't it closest to ET and doesn't really
matter who wins across the line or if you red-light ?


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 01:56:30 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Message boards have been upgraded.

The message board software has been upgraded. Check it
out! It has many new features, including the ability
to integrate with mailing lists, rating topics, email
topics to a friend, sorting, printer friendly output
and more.

Once I figure out how to guard email addresses, the
mailing lists will cross-post to the message boards
and visa-versa. Azie will finally have access to the
web site, though in an indirect way!

Ken Payne
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PS - I'm still working on web mail, I found a bug in
the setup that will be addressed this weekend.



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