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perf-list Digest Wed, 08 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 022

In This Issue:
Re: Engine Temps
Re: Engine Temps
Re: Engine Temps
Re: Engine Temps
Re: Engine Temps
Re: Engine Temps
ADMIN: 3 Ford Press Releases
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: Engine Temps
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: Engine Temps
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Oil Pan Removal
Re: Oil Pan Removal
wold products web page?
Re: Oil Pan Removal
Re: Oil Pan Removal
Re: Engine Temps
Re: wold products web page?
Re: Ford Truck Kills
Re: Oil Pan Removal

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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:10:20 +0100 (MET)
From: Bas van der Veer dds.nl>
Subject: Re: Engine Temps



> operatiing temperature as soon as possible. A 180 degree thermostat should
> not open until the water temperature reaches 180 degrees. Until the water
> reaches that temperature, the thermostat stays closed and the water does NOT
> circulate through the radiator. If you go out and start up your cold engine
> > and take off the radiator cap, you should not notice any activity, because
> the water is not circulating. Once the thermostat opens, the water will
> start to circulate and you will see the movement. By the way, some
> radiators are so efficient that, with the thermostat removed the engine will
> NEVER reach proper operating temperature in winter.

ahh you're contradicting yourself here me friend.. even the best
radiator in the world can't cool anything unless there is coolant flowing
through it!

Bas.


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From: "James Steele" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Temps
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:23:13 CST

Not a contradiction, Bas. If the thermostat is removed, the water is
circulated constantly, with no obstruction, thus it does not reach the
proper operating temperature. I know, it sounds funny, but take it from me,
I made some COLD trips one winter before I realized that my "friend" had
removed the thermostat for me, "to improve cooling".

>ahh you're contradicting yourself here me friend.. even the best
>radiator in the world can't cool anything unless there is coolant flowing
>through it!
>
>Bas.
>

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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:49:14 -0600
From: Buck Shoff sktc.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Temps



Bas van der Veer wrote:

By the way, some
> > radiators are so efficient that, with the thermostat removed the engine will
> > NEVER reach proper operating temperature in winter.
>
> ahh you're contradicting yourself here me friend.. even the best
> radiator in the world can't cool anything unless there is coolant flowing
> through it!
>
> Bas.

I don't think he contradicted himself. He said "with the thermostat
removed", indicating coolant flow. Buck Shoff

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From: "James Steele" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Temps
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 20:39:45 CST

In fact, you'll find that there are aftermarket companies which sell "flow
restrictors" which fit in place of the thermostat in drag racing cars. It's
nothing but a large washer which somewhat restricts the flow to the
radiator.



>ahh you're contradicting yourself here me friend.. even the best
>radiator in the world can't cool anything unless there is coolant flowing
>through it!
>

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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:41:13 +0100 (MET)
From: Bas van der Veer dds.nl>
Subject: Re: Engine Temps



whooops, I apologize.. I missed the portion where you said it does not
reach operating temp with the therm *REMOVED* .. thought you said that it
would not reach operating temp with a good rad even when the thermostat is
closed. yeah definately there is just no advantage in removing the
thermostat.

Bas.


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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:44:10 +0100 (MET)
From: Bas van der Veer dds.nl>
Subject: Re: Engine Temps


Yeah speaking of efficient rads.. with my nissan the return side of the
rad is just plain cold if the weather is say 60deg or less, pretty
impressive. Of course that's with a 1.7 liter (~110 cid) motor.


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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:56:32 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: 3 Ford Press Releases

Three news articles from Ford Motor Company have been added to the
web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/news/


1. Pricing, Job #1, Set for Limited Edition 2000 Harley-Davidson
F-150
2. Army Explores Commercial Technologies For New, Maximum-Performance
Pickup Trucks
3. Ford Super Tough Concept Truck is Tough Enough for U.S. Military

Enjoy!

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: "Joe Merchak" eclipse.net>
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:04:44 -0500

I like to know what the guy had under the hood

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Hey I ran across this on the web ...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rankinroad.com/03-05-00/UncleJessie-vs-BlackFirebird.mpg


And I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the truck ... its
obviously not stock ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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From: "Joe Merchak" eclipse.net>
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 22:08:13 -0500

Hey I just noticed, he red lighted thats why he one

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Hey I ran across this on the web ...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rankinroad.com/03-05-00/UncleJessie-vs-BlackFirebird.mpg


And I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the truck ... its
obviously not stock ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:25:54 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Temps

Whoa! Quite a response.

Well, thanks for the advice. I'll head down to the NAPA shop friday and pick up a
new radiator to swap into the 2.9. I'll let you know how all of that goes.

Adam

Buck Shoff wrote:

> Bas van der Veer wrote:
>
> By the way, some
> > > radiators are so efficient that, with the thermostat removed the engine will
> > > NEVER reach proper operating temperature in winter.
> >
> > ahh you're contradicting yourself here me friend.. even the best
> > radiator in the world can't cool anything unless there is coolant flowing
> > through it!
> >
> > Bas.
>
> I don't think he contradicted himself. He said "with the thermostat
> removed", indicating coolant flow. Buck Shoff


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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:26:46 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills

That's awesome! If not hilarious. I guess Ford showed old GM up again,
huh?

Adam

"William S. Hart" wrote:

> Hey I ran across this on the web ...
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rankinroad.com/03-05-00/UncleJessie-vs-BlackFirebird.mpg
>
> And I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the truck ... its
> obviously not stock ...
>
> Just my $.02
> wish
>
> 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "James Steele" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:57:01 CST

Something tells me this was not "Uncle Jessie's" first time at the track.
Gives new meaning to the term "sleeper"!
>
>Hey I ran across this on the web ...
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.rankinroad.com/03-05-00/UncleJessie-vs-BlackFirebird.mpg
>
>
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From: "Brad DeFore" computerlogic.com>
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:29:33 -0500

Yeah I played it back one frame at a time and noticed the same thing, the
truck redlighted and the FB was actually was a late launch.

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Hey I just noticed, he red lighted thats why he one

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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: Ford Truck Kills
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:25:34 -0600

> Hey I just noticed, he red lighted thats why he one
>

Wow, everyone brings this up ... here's a couple of my points with it

a) so what he red lighted, that's still a darn fast truck!
b) the purpose was to find out if anyone knew anything about that truck
c) its just funny to see even if he did cheat a little the bird should've
been able to catch him if it was that fast ...

Also if you're runnin brackets, isn't it closest to ET and doesn't really
matter who wins across the line or if you red-light ?


Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: Engine Temps
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 08:30:56 -0600

> The whole purpose of the thermostat is to help bring the engine up to
> operatiing temperature as soon as possible. A 180 degree
> thermostat should
> not open until the water temperature reaches 180 degrees.

This isn't quite true ... it seems like a lot of people think that the
thermostat is some sort of on/off valve, in reality it will move a bit more
slowly than that and have differing degrees of open ... a 180deg thermostat
shouldn't reach full open until 180degrees, before that its partly closed at
least ... with my old 360 and an oversized radiator a 180deg thermostat
would run 170 normally and eventually get up to 180 if I actually sat and
idled for a few minutes after it warmed up (like a long stop light) ...



Until
> the water
> reaches that temperature, the thermostat stays closed and the
> water does NOT
> circulate through the radiator. If you go out and start up your
> cold ....

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