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perf-list Digest Wed, 01 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 016

In This Issue:
Re: smog pump shorter belt
smog pump
cast valve covers
Re: smog pump shorter belt
Polishing
Re: Fuel Lines
460 Fans! Your help please
Re: Fuel Lines
ADMIN: New free service from FTE, web based email!!!
Re: smog pump
Re: 460 Fans! Your help please
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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: smog pump shorter belt
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:00:50 -0600

> My idea, you must be really desparate for power if you do that! Plus its
> going to be tough racing without power steering. When my ps box broke last
> year I had to do without power to the left for a week.. man did I grow
> some muscles :-)
>

I suppose a manual steering rack would be too simple of an explanation as to
why he didn't need the p/s ? :)

I always wanted the manual steering, but since I can't give up my V8 when
I'm racin (yes my car turns both ways thankyouverymuch) I'd better stick to
power steering :)

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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From: "Mike McPhillips" power-net.net>
Subject: smog pump
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:44:15 -0500

I would really like to see pics from the article as I cannot see how the
serpentine belt could be routed without a p/s pump & no a/c compressor. I
do see now that yes, the pump can be eliminated if you keep the a/c but I
would much rather have p/s than a/c! My 67 stang had manual steering...
uuuggghhh! m/s never again!
mike
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From: "Mike McPhillips" power-net.net>
Subject: cast valve covers
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:45:49 -0500

try the black "wrinkle" paint made by vht and then sand the fins. I did this
to a couple different sets of sb ford v/c and it looks great. plus the black
hides the dirt.
Mike
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From: "James Steele" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: smog pump shorter belt
Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 19:19:05 CST

The whole idea is to replace the belts at the "track" and replace the
original for the drive home!


>
>My idea, you must be really desparate for power if you do that! Plus its
>going to be tough racing without power steering. When my ps box broke last
>year I had to do without power to the left for a week.. man did I grow
>some muscles :-)
>

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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:24:45 -0800
From: scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Polishing

>I'd like to clean up the cast aluminum valve covers

>Media blasting will not polish the surface. In fact I
>believe it will 'rough' it up more. Ok if you want a dull finish.

>If you are more "hands on" and like the polished finish, you
>may be better off in the long run to polish the valve covers yourself.

I just did this on the M/T valve covers on my 428.First I sand blasted
them with fine sand.Mine had many coats of black krinkle finish on them
that the glass beads would not touch.I then glass beaded them with the
finest beads I could find.I then polished them up.
BTW I DO NOT have a good sandblaster.The commercial one I use at work
would have blown holes right through the aluminum!!!
Try it first on the back side of the cover!!!!
They came out nice.

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From: "david" prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Lines
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:52:00 -0000

I know of a guy who has a camaro with f.i. on it.he used steel lines with
common compression fittings.Been on it for years,but it is a chubbie.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sleddog epix.net>
To: ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 3:42 PM
Subject: [perf-list] Re: Fuel Lines


> Look into aluminum/steel tubing. Summit sells 25 feet of 5/16" steel line
> for under $20, nice anodized Russel aluminum line is a few dollars more.
> Also get correct for the application mounts, so you don't vibrate a hole
> in the tube against the frame or something like that. The steel is a
> better choice for a non-race vehicle IMHO, as it will not fatigue crack
> under normal use.
>
> For the sections of line, that need to be flexable try Flex-Lock hose
> (Russel, i think). These lines are about 2/3 the cost of stainless
braided
> lines. They do not have any braiding, but usually come in blue or red or
> such color.
>
> The big cost, as I found out when I did my fuel system from tank to carb,
> was the fittings. I am redoing it now, putting -8 AN lines from regulater
> to carb, and putting on a dominator, and a second fuel pressure gauge. I
> am reusing old lines and fittings as much as possible, but still the $$$
> adds up fast.
>
> If these options are too pricey, try the junk yard. Edelbroke has a
> website, check it out and maybe the lines you saw are on there. But I
warn
> you - if they said it was affordable on TV, i doubt it is. They seem to
> have (Hot Rod TV and such shows and magazines) a distorted view of what
> people can really afford.
>
> Kevin
>
> ----------
> From: ALLEN COLLINS[SMTP:7X30WATERS PRODIGY.NET]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 9:48 AM
> To: Perf-List Ford-Trucks.Com; listar ford-trucks.com
> Subject: [perf-list] Fuel Lines
>
> I have a 1986 F-150 that has an older 302 engine with a carb in it. I
have
> access to a EFI unit that I would like to install. The hard plastic high
> pressure fuel lines from the factory have been butchered from the swap
over
> (I bought the truck this way) and I am looking for a good (cheap) source
> for
> high pressure fuel lines. I noticed that Edlebrock had some type of hose
> on
> one of the shade tree mechanic shows, but not sure what it is. Can I get
> this fuel line from the dealership? I have tried aftermarket and parts
> stores and all they want to sell me is braided line. Looks great and is
> very functional but expensive.
>
> Any suggestions? With the price of gas sure would like to make the switch
> to EFI.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Allen
> Lubbock TX
>
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Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 19:54:13 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: 460 Fans! Your help please

Well, now I am getting around to picking up the 460 F250. She's
carbeurated, and with a C6.

Turns out that she has no power because the owner messed with it. Trying
to get it to pass smog, he put in new plugs and wires, and a new
distributor. Hmmm.. Right after that he reports that it starts and runs,
although it has no power.

So, what is teh firing order and timing of this engine?

1983 F-250 3/4 Ton, 460, with a C6. Carbeurated too! I think it's
probably 2V, but could be a 4v.

Anything else that you could contribute to make this easier would be
appreciated!

Thanks in Advance,

Adam


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From: Sleddog epix.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Lines
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 00:24:17 -0500

Those kind of fittings are cheaper. It is the AN fittings that cost the $$.

Kevin

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From: david[SMTP:scatpack PRODIGY.NET]
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 5:52 PM
To: perf-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [perf-list] Re: Fuel Lines

I know of a guy who has a camaro with f.i. on it.he used steel lines with
common compression fittings.Been on it for years,but it is a chubbie.





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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: smog pump
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 06:15:42 -0800


> I would really like to see pics from the article as I cannot
> see how the
> serpentine belt could be routed without a p/s pump & no a/c
> compressor. I
> do see now that yes, the pump can be eliminated if you keep
> the a/c but I
> would much rather have p/s than a/c! My 67 stang had manual
> steering...
> uuuggghhh! m/s never again!
> mike

Why would you want to bypass the ac pump?

Tom H

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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: 460 Fans! Your help please
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:37:33 -0600

> Turns out that she has no power because the owner messed with it. Trying
> to get it to pass smog, he put in new plugs and wires, and a new
> distributor. Hmmm.. Right after that he reports that it starts and runs,
> although it has no power.
>
> So, what is teh firing order and timing of this engine?

Not sure what the firing order is, but I'll bet its cast into the intake
manifold just in front of the carb ...

And then you can go about setting the timing, likely he timed it back to
less than 6deg, which is kind of a minimum for most Fords that I've worked
with (no 460's though) ... to set it "right" try using a vaccuum gauge, set
it for maximum vaccuum (set the idle down after it bumps up a few times) and
then take it for a spin, you may have to back it off a couple degrees from
that, but it'll be a good starting point (I'm guessing you'll end up at 11
or 12 this way)...

> 1983 F-250 3/4 Ton, 460, with a C6. Carbeurated too! I think it's
> probably 2V, but could be a 4v.
>

I'd be surprised if it was a 2V, but anything's possible ... if you use the
vaccuum gauge for the timing you can use it for the carb tuning too ...

> Anything else that you could contribute to make this easier would be
> appreciated!
>

I'd also pull the plugs and check the gap on them, sometimes people don't
realize you need to gap them ... I think .042" is a standard for the
Duraspark systems ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:35:28 -0500
From: "Mike McPhillips" power-net.net>
Subject: C:\CoolProgs\Pretty Park.exe

Test: Pretty Park.exe :)

Mike McPhillips


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