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perf-list Digest Fri, 25 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 012

In This Issue:
Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)
Re: power steering hose woes
Re: power steering hose woes
Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)
Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)
410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)
Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)
Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)
Re: power steering hose woes
Re: power steering hose woes
Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)
Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)
C-6 Rebuild

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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:02:58 -0600

> I am guessing that since
> those motors were built in the 60's,they were FEs also?

nope, read the stuff below again ... they are a completely different line of
motors ... the FE (Ford/Edsel) and the MEL (Mercury/Edsel/Lincoln) are
completely different.


> > Nope, the FE series is of course the 352, 360, 390, 410, 427
> and 428 there
> > are a couple more lesser known ones too ... easily identified by the
> intake
> > manifold being half of the head, so the valve cover actually covers the
> > intake a bit too ... (your 428 for instance)
> >
> > The 385 series motor is the 429/460
> >
> > MEL is the Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln motors from the mid-60's. I"m not sure
> > what they displaced but I've never really heard anything good on the
> > performance side about them ... lots of torque I guess ...
> >
> > Since we're on the topic there's also the Windsors (260/289/302/351W)
> > The M-blocks or 335 series (351M/400) (no M on the 400
> designation 'cause
> > that was the only 400 Ford made :)
> > And of course the 351 Cleveland ..which sports a W bellhousing ...
> >
> > Just my $.02
> > wish
> >
> > 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> > 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:49:25 +0100 (MET)
From: Bas van der Veer dds.nl>
Subject: Re: power steering hose woes


> used the same box from 69-79,so any hose in those years will work .As far as
> finding a parts guy to help,I'm just grateful when they don't get an
> attitude when I ask them to look at different years and applications of
> parts.

Yeah some stores are terrible. There are some local stores here, the one I
used to go to had pretty good service, they'd come out in the parking lot
and look at things or let you try different parts etc. I've had them come
out with a whole box full of parts and just try them all :-) I bought so
much stuff there I couldn't keep track of all the receipts, and usually
they let me exchange stuff even without them. I realize now that I should
be very happy to have a store like that around :-)


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From: prozell oaielectronics.com (OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell)
Subject: Re: power steering hose woes
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:10:30 -0600

----- Original Message ----- > > finding a parts guy to help,I'm just
grateful when they don't get an
> > attitude when I ask them to look at different years and applications of
> > parts.
>
> Yeah some stores are terrible. There are some local stores here, the one I
> used to go to had pretty good service, they'd come out in the parking lot
> and look at things or let you try different parts etc.

Unfortunately the large chains are wipping out the "local" parts guys. These
are the same guys that allways helped and had alot of information. I used to
go to one local store and the guy was an old racer, everyone in town tried
to beat his car. He allways was full of information and was alot of help. I
think the Autozone that was a mile or two away killed his business.
Unfortunately they shut down the store......


Paul Rozell
65 F100 460 C6


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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:01:31 +0100 (MET)
From: Bas van der Veer dds.nl>
Subject: Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)


What is Edsel? Is it also part of ford like lincoln?


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From: "William S. Hart" iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:09:46 -0600

> What is Edsel? Is it also part of ford like lincoln?
>

It used to be ... for like 4 years ... the Edsel ... sheesh ... an
automotive legend for its looks and quality (or lack of) ... do a search on
the web, I think you'll find quite a bit of info on them ... they were only
made from 57?-60...

Famous for their "horse collar" grill ...

Just my $.02
wish

96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish


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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:38:06 -0500
From: j arnold ford-trucks.com>
Subject: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)


I'm not trying to be a smart ass,but I do know what my motor is,and an
FE,,just never heard that(mel) reference before.I am guessing that since
those motors were built in the 60's,they were FEs also?...dave

--------------------------------

I don't think so, Dave. The MEL series came out in the late 50's or early
60's, the FE series over-lapped and lasted into the late 60's, The 335
series (M-blocks) and 385 series (429/460) came out in 68, supposedly to
replace the FE series.
There's a 410 FE engine which is basically a 390 with a 428's crank. When
someone mentioned a 410 MEL engine, I just wondered if there was any parts
interchangability between them. The 410 MEL and 410 FE would be radically
different block and head designs.

stoney


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From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
Subject: Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:04:41 -0800

Edsel was a shortlived line of cars Ford put out in the mid 50s. Named for
Henry's (oldest?) son. For some reason they wern't very popular (Styling?
Reliability?). I've seen a couple and they looked like they were very
innovative for their day, and considering that they had a new line of motors
in them as well they may have been ahead of thier time. Look it up on the
web. I'm sure you'll find an entheusiast's site for the Edsel and it will
probably have pictures.

Tom H.

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 9:02 AM
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>
>
>
> What is Edsel? Is it also part of ford like lincoln?
>
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From: "Tom Ewing" napanet.net>
Subject: Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:45:10 -0800

You know, actually I believe Edsel was Henry's only son. He died in May
1943.
Edsel's children, HenryII, Benson, Josephine, and William Clay continued.
From what I've read the "E" car division was created in 1955 to produce a
new car.
At the time no one apparently new the "E" division would create the Edsel.
The naming of the car was very controversial. Edsel's widow, Eleanor, was
totally against it, as was her son HenryII. Even the sales division was
horrified
when they learned peoples immediate response to the name Edsel was
"Schmedsel",
"pretzel", and "weasel"--while 40 percent of the respondents simply reacted,
"What?"
(Ford, the men and the machine, by Robert Lacey) Apparently they were trying
to create a car to compete against GM's greater variety of cars. As I
understand it
the car was first sold in 1957. Apparently itsufferred from being
"restyled" by a
committee. I've never seen the original drawings. In spite of the then
president Henry II,
and all the other objections, somehow, the name got pushed through. The car
production was apparantly pushed onto a number of already busy production
lines
that didn't want or need the work, and the poor assembly resulted in many
Edsels
leaving the factory with poor quality mechanics. I've read that often the
cars were
shipped to dealers with instructions that the dealer needed to make the
necessary
repairs. The car's production ended in the fall of 1959.--Would that be the
1960
model? Anyway after Ford took such a beating on this, its a miracle they
were
willing to make they're next "new car" in 1965--the Mustang. They've been
doing
a little better with this one.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Hogan, Tom" kla-tencor.com>
To: ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 10:04 AM
Subject: [perf-list] Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)


> Edsel was a shortlived line of cars Ford put out in the mid 50s. Named
for
> Henry's (oldest?) son.


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From: canzus seanet.com
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:07:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: power steering hose woes

At 07:28 AM 25:02:2000 -0600, OAI Electronics: Paul Rozell wrote:

>Found a parts counter guy yesterday that would help. He had a 68 F100 that
>he had put power steering into. The counter guy looked through a "picture"
>book to see what the hoses looked like and picked one, the only problem was
>the fitting into the pump won't work. I will go by this weekend and talk
>with him some more. I figure if we found a hose that will fit except for the
>fitting on the pump then I know we can find one with the right end. Thanks
>for everyones help.


Why not find a good hydraulic supply house, the can make up any hose
combination for you.

Steve & the Rockette
68 F100, 390cid, FMX
63 F100, 292cid, 3speed
72 Capri 2000, hers
73 Capri 2600,tube frame going in.....
73 MGB GT, Our Toy
94 SHO, SWMBO's
98 Contour SVT, Mine, Mine, All Mine....


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From: "david" prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: power steering hose woes
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:40:29 -0000

What pump is on the truck?Is it the round metal one with a dipstick,or the
newer plastic style?Is it a ford pump?
----- Original Message -----
From: Bas van der Veer dds.nl>
To: ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 4:49 PM
Subject: [perf-list] Re: power steering hose woes


>
> > used the same box from 69-79,so any hose in those years will work .As
far as
> > finding a parts guy to help,I'm just grateful when they don't get an
> > attitude when I ask them to look at different years and applications of
> > parts.
>
> Yeah some stores are terrible. There are some local stores here, the one I
> used to go to had pretty good service, they'd come out in the parking lot
> and look at things or let you try different parts etc. I've had them come
> out with a whole box full of parts and just try them all :-) I bought so
> much stuff there I couldn't keep track of all the receipts, and usually
> they let me exchange stuff even without them. I realize now that I should
> be very happy to have a store like that around :-)
>
> ==========================================================
> To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with
> the words "unsubscribe perf-list" in the body of the
> message.
>


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From: "david" prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:20:22 -0000

I read that this is the place to speak up if going to PF.I think my wife
aready made reservations,so I won't be able to get in on any group
discounts.would like to meet some of you.I'm leaving from md.anybody in this
area?
----- Original Message -----
From: William S. Hart iastate.edu>
To: ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 3:02 PM
Subject: [perf-list] Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)


> > I am guessing that since
> > those motors were built in the 60's,they were FEs also?
>
> nope, read the stuff below again ... they are a completely different line
of
> motors ... the FE (Ford/Edsel) and the MEL (Mercury/Edsel/Lincoln) are
> completely different.
>
>
> > > Nope, the FE series is of course the 352, 360, 390, 410, 427
> > and 428 there
> > > are a couple more lesser known ones too ... easily identified by the
> > intake
> > > manifold being half of the head, so the valve cover actually covers
the
> > > intake a bit too ... (your 428 for instance)
> > >
> > > The 385 series motor is the 429/460
> > >
> > > MEL is the Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln motors from the mid-60's. I"m not
sure
> > > what they displaced but I've never really heard anything good on the
> > > performance side about them ... lots of torque I guess ...
> > >
> > > Since we're on the topic there's also the Windsors (260/289/302/351W)
> > > The M-blocks or 335 series (351M/400) (no M on the 400
> > designation 'cause
> > > that was the only 400 Ford made :)
> > > And of course the 351 Cleveland ..which sports a W bellhousing ...
> > >
> > > Just my $.02
> > > wish
> > >
> > > 96 Mustang GT 5spd 4.6L
> > > 73ish 1/2ton 4x4 6.4L
> > > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish
> > >
> > > ==========================================================
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> > >
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From: "david" prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:23:56 -0000

Just goes to show.Everytime I think I know it all,someone proves me
wrong!Thanks for the info.Gonna take a closer look at an Edsel next time I
see one...dave
----- Original Message -----
From: j arnold ford-trucks.com>
To: ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 5:38 PM
Subject: [perf-list] 410 MEL/FE (was 429/460/462 engines)


>
> I'm not trying to be a smart ass,but I do know what my motor is,and an
> FE,,just never heard that(mel) reference before.I am guessing that since
> those motors were built in the 60's,they were FEs also?...dave
>
> --------------------------------
>
> I don't think so, Dave. The MEL series came out in the late 50's or early
> 60's, the FE series over-lapped and lasted into the late 60's, The 335
> series (M-blocks) and 385 series (429/460) came out in 68, supposedly to
> replace the FE series.
> There's a 410 FE engine which is basically a 390 with a 428's crank. When
> someone mentioned a 410 MEL engine, I just wondered if there was any parts
> interchangability between them. The 410 MEL and 410 FE would be radically
> different block and head designs.
>
> stoney
>
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