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fordtrucks-digest DigestVolume 97 : Issue 98

Today's Topics:

Re: fordtrucks-digest Digest V97 #97 [MSUPT aol.com ]
67 electrical [DC Beatty
Re: 67 electrical [Chris North ]
52 6 cyl. engines [tfam swbell.net ]
Heat exchange books [Daver ]
Re: 52 6 cyl. engines [Scooch13in aol.com ]
Re: 67 electrical [Daver ]
Re: 52 6 cyl. engines [Niqjh aol.com ]
Steering column electrical stuff [mvaugh - Mark Vaught
WIX filters trucks [John Strauss
RE: 67 electrical [Keith Srb ]
Wheel/Hub Grind [hoel coastalnet.com ]
Re: 67 electrical [Don Grossman ]
Re: 67 electrical [Jesus Cardoso
Re: Wheel/Hub Grind [Don Grossman ]
Re: 67 electrical ["George Shepherd"
Re: Wheel/Hub Grind ["George Shepherd"
Re: '97 Trucks ["Jim" ]
Re: 67 electrical [Chris North ]
6 volt battery [Bill Flood ]
Re: 6 volt battery ["George Shepherd"
1967 electrical [DC Beatty
Re: WIX filters trucks - '51 with '4 [JRFiero aol.com ]

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:36:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: MSUPT aol.com
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Please remove me from your subscription list
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Date: 29 Jun 97 22:25:51 EDT
From: DC Beatty
To: "'FORD TRUCKS'"
Subject: 67 electrical
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Hello list members;

I am having electrical problems in my 67 F-100. The front two parking lights
work as they should when the headlight switch is on half way. When I pull the
switch on all the way, the headlights go on but the parking lights up front go
off. They function perfect when in turn signal mode, but they won't stay on with
the headlights. Is it possible that the switch in the dash is bad? The rear
lights work perfect, but just the front is acting weird. Any advice is
appreciated.

Also, is there anyone that can email me a good schematic for this truck? The
libraries around here don't have anything even close.

Thanks,

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:23:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris North
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Subject: Re: 67 electrical
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>Hello list members;
>
>I am having electrical problems in my 67 F-100. The front two parking lights
>work as they should when the headlight switch is on half way. When I pull the
>switch on all the way, the headlights go on but the parking lights up front go
>off. They function perfect when in turn signal mode, but they won't stay
>on with
>the headlights. Is it possible that the switch in the dash is bad? The rear
>lights work perfect, but just the front is acting weird. Any advice is
>appreciated.
>
>Also, is there anyone that can email me a good schematic for this truck? The
>libraries around here don't have anything even close.

No, your switch is not bad and your wiring is OK. The parking light
operation you describe is just like they are supposed to work. With most
vehicles (there were some exceptions!) of that era, the parking lights went
off when the headlights were turned on. I think that 1968 was the year
that parking lights started staying on (in conjunction with the
introduction of side markers). At least with autos, I assume that light
trucks were the same.

I think that you can 'modify' your lights if you want to have the parking
lights stay on (although why, I'm not sure. I think it adds style).
Replacing your switch will not do it. You have to modify your harness (or
switch). DO NOT run a jumper from the headlights to your parking lights.
This will fry your harness. I think that a jumper from the taillights to
your parking lights will do it, but I would have to look at a wiring
diagarm (schematic) to be sure. Sorry, I do not have one.

chris north

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:28:51 -0700
From: tfam swbell.net
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: 52 6 cyl. engines
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Please help me find out about a 6 banger in a 52 F-1. I remember it
having a green paint color and the valve cover had red and yellow
striping over the green and an emblem stating that it was a cost
clipper. recently i decided to restore the old truck, read the data
plate which was painted over, but I believe the engine displacement size
to be 114 cid at 96 hp. An area auto parts store had books for that
year but the books did not list a 114 cid engine. Was there ever such an
engine? thank you, L.D. 52 F-1 50 F-1 panel 97 F-250hd 4x4

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:50:22 -0500
From: Daver
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Heat exchange books
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Ok here it is I have located two books as promised.

Kern's Heat Transfer

Manual of Process Engineering

Sorry it took so long.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:48:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scooch13in aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 52 6 cyl. engines
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I have a 54 six that needs rebuilding if you cant find the one your looking
for

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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:20:04 -0500
From: Daver
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DC Beatty wrote:
>
> Hello list members;
>
> I am having electrical problems in my 67 F-100. The front two parking lights
> work as they should when the headlight switch is on half way. When I pull the
> switch on all the way, the headlights go on but the parking lights up front go
> off. They function perfect when in turn signal mode, but they won't stay on with
> the headlights. Is it possible that the switch in the dash is bad? The rear
> lights work perfect, but just the front is acting weird. Any advice is
> appreciated.
>
> Also, is there anyone that can email me a good schematic for this truck? The
> libraries around here don't have anything even close.

I think this is intentional my 67 is the same way guess they figured
you do not need parking lights when you are using headlights.

DISCLAMER:
Icould be wrong, I could be disagreed with and I may be flamed all have
occred recently so read at your own risk and take it for what you paid
for it.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:11:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Niqjh aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 52 6 cyl. engines
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Hi

The 1952 6 cyl was a 215 cid overhead valve (Fords first) 101 hp monster. A
year or two later they bored it to 223 cid, which lasted till 1964. Sorry, I
cant help with colors, tho.

Nick

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 09:13:37 -0500
From: mvaugh - Mark Vaught
To: "'fordtrucks lofcom.com'"
Subject: Steering column electrical stuff
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I replaced the steering column from my manual transmission '68 F100 with
an automatic column from a '72, but the electrical connectors don't
match up, and the wires seem to be color coded differently. If anyone
has a wiring diagram for this part of each of these trucks, or just
knows what color wire is what, please let me know.

Thanks,
Mark Vaught

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 10:20:56 -0500
From: John Strauss
To: Ford Trucks List
Subject: WIX filters trucks
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>I found a diecast metal version of a 1966 F100 styleside short box at a
swap
>meet I was at in May. It was put out by Ertl as a promotion for WIX Filters
>and comes as a set with a trailer and 69 Boss 302 Mustang to tow. If you're
>interested you might want to try your local hobby store or swap meet.
>
Wow, I just talked to a friend of mine last night that mentioned he also
found one of these at a swap meet. He collects them and got the truck only
and wanted to know if I had any idea what it was supposed to tow. Now I
can tell him and sound oh so smart. Thanks!

John

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:34:39 -0700
From: Keith Srb
To: "'fordtrucks lofcom.com'"
Subject: RE: 67 electrical
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My 66 does the same thing. I recently had to replace my light switch when it
fried it self. Even with the new switch, the parking lights go off. I can't
recall the parking lights every being on when the headlights are on. This truck
has been in my family since 2-17-66.

Keith Srb
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"


-----Original Message-----
From:DC Beatty [SMTP:104452.1362 CompuServe.COM]
Sent:Sunday, June 29, 1997 7:26 PM
To:'FORD TRUCKS'
Subject:67 electrical

Hello list members;

I am having electrical problems in my 67 F-100. The front two parking lights
work as they should when the headlight switch is on half way. When I pull the
switch on all the way, the headlights go on but the parking lights up front go
off. They function perfect when in turn signal mode, but they won't stay on
with
the headlights. Is it possible that the switch in the dash is bad? The rear
lights work perfect, but just the front is acting weird. Any advice is
appreciated.

Also, is there anyone that can email me a good schematic for this truck? The
libraries around here don't have anything even close.

Thanks,

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302


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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 12:12:58 -0700
From: hoel coastalnet.com
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We have a '77 F150 4x4 with Warn manual locking hubs. Does anyone know
if these came stock from the factory?

We noticed last night a grinding/grating noise in the front end and
think we narrowed it down to the passenger side hub/brakes/front axle.
The hub itself was extremely hot to the touch compared to the driver
side. We thought possible the hub is damaged or the brakes(disk) are not
fully releasing.

Any ideas on the possibilities for the cause of the noise and heat would
be greatly appreciated. We are unfamiliar with the inner workings of
hubs and with axles/brakes in general so troubleshooting will be
considerably easier with some sound advice. Thanks.

Gerald & Lisa Hoel
'77 F150 4x4 Flareside

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:23:25 +0000
From: Don Grossman
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 67 electrical
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DC Beatty wrote:
>
> Hello list members;
>
> I am having electrical problems in my 67 F-100. The front two parking lights
> work as they should when the headlight switch is on half way. When I pull the
> switch on all the way, the headlights go on but the parking lights up front go
> off. They function perfect when in turn signal mode, but they won't stay on with
> the headlights. Is it possible that the switch in the dash is bad? The rear
> lights work perfect, but just the front is acting weird. Any advice is
> appreciated.
>
> Also, is there anyone that can email me a good schematic for this truck? The
> libraries around here don't have anything even close.
>
> Thanks,
>
> DC Beatty
> 1967 F-100 352
> 1974 Maverick 302

I have had the same problem on my 63. I have tried to fix it but gave
up. Now that I here that someone else has the same wierd lights that I
do, maybe we can get this fixed.

Let me know what you come up with DC. I have the exact same situation
and I even replace the switch twice.
--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......


63 Ford F-250 4x4

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 11:45:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jesus Cardoso
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 67 electrical
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On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Don Grossman wrote:
> I have had the same problem on my 63. I have tried to fix it but gave
> up. Now that I here that someone else has the same wierd lights that I
> do, maybe we can get this fixed.
>
> Let me know what you come up with DC. I have the exact same situation
> and I even replace the switch twice.
> --
> Don Grossman
> duckdon pacific.net

Don,

I checked my '63 and it does the same think....it might be what
somewhat said earlier, they were just designed to turn off when the head
lights come on.

Jesus Cardoso
'63 F100 Flare (LWB)

p.s. Does anyone know were I can get a speedometer gear for my
truck...the trans in a 3-speed on the column? Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 08:50:31 +0000
From: Don Grossman
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
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hoel coastalnet.com wrote:
>
> We have a '77 F150 4x4 with Warn manual locking hubs. Does anyone know
> if these came stock from the factory?

I believe that Warn made the factory locking hubs for Ford but there was
no markings or the letters W A R N on the selector knob. If they say
Warn on the outside than someone added them after.

>
> We noticed last night a grinding/grating noise in the front end and
> think we narrowed it down to the passenger side hub/brakes/front axle.
> The hub itself was extremely hot to the touch compared to the driver
> side. We thought possible the hub is damaged or the brakes(disk) are not
> fully releasing.


I have had a problem with the front brakes on whats left of my 77. The
brakes would not release fully by thereself and I had to pull the peddle
up with my foot to make them release. This caused to pads to smoke
before the entire hub heated up.

Any way, here's what you should try. Take your truck out for a quick
drive around the block just to heat things up a little bit and bring
your truck home. Next jack up your passenger side and rotate your tire
and wheel. If the resistance is great it could be your brakes. If not
I would have a serious look at the wheel bearing. The sounds of the
brakes rubbing and the sound of the bearings eating themself apart are
two distinctly different sounds.

If the problem is the brakes it could be anywhere from the calipers to
the vacume booster. If it is the bearing they should be serviced right
away. The price of bearings is bad enough but add the cost of a spindle
and hub is just not necessary. Tearing into the front wheel bearing is
just part of having a 4x4.

>
> Any ideas on the possibilities for the cause of the noise and heat would
> be greatly appreciated. We are unfamiliar with the inner workings of
> hubs and with axles/brakes in general so troubleshooting will be
> considerably easier with some sound advice. Thanks.
>
> Gerald & Lisa Hoel
> '77 F150 4x4 Flareside

eMail me if you need further assistance.
--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

It's hard to do 90 on a speed limit budget.......


63 Ford F-250 4x4

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 13:59:15 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
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In 67 I don't think the parking lights did not stay on with the head
lights, but if they did your light switch has gone bad.

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> From: DC Beatty
> To: 'FORD TRUCKS'
> Subject: 67 electrical
> Date: Sunday, June 29, 1997 9:25 PM
>
> Hello list members;
>
> I am having electrical problems in my 67 F-100. The front two parking
lights
> work as they should when the headlight switch is on half way. When I pull
the
> switch on all the way, the headlights go on but the parking lights up
front go
> off. They function perfect when in turn signal mode, but they won't stay
on with
> the headlights. Is it possible that the switch in the dash is bad? The
rear
> lights work perfect, but just the front is acting weird. Any advice is
> appreciated.
>
> Also, is there anyone that can email me a good schematic for this truck?
The
> libraries around here don't have anything even close.
>
> Thanks,
>
> DC Beatty
> 1967 F-100 352
> 1974 Maverick 302
>
>
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:05:55 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
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> From: hoel coastalnet.com
> To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
> Subject: Wheel/Hub Grind
> Date: Monday, June 30, 1997 2:12 PM
>
> We have a '77 F150 4x4 with Warn manual locking hubs. Does anyone know
> if these came stock from the factory?
>
> We noticed last night a grinding/grating noise in the front end and
> think we narrowed it down to the passenger side hub/brakes/front axle.
> The hub itself was extremely hot to the touch compared to the driver
> side. We thought possible the hub is damaged or the brakes(disk) are not
> fully releasing.

Sounds like you have a Caliper which is not fully releasing.
>
> Any ideas on the possibilities for the cause of the noise and heat would
> be greatly appreciated. We are unfamiliar with the inner workings of
> hubs and with axles/brakes in general so troubleshooting will be
> considerably easier with some sound advice. Thanks.
>
> Gerald & Lisa Hoel
> '77 F150 4x4 Flareside
>
>
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 14:16:16 -0700
From: "Jim"
To: "Ford Trucks"
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Vary clean looking truck! Saturday night on the way home
from the Forum where we seen WCW Saturday Nitro Roddy Piper
pulled Rick Flairs Shorts to his knees, and sitting ringside
with my family was a sight I didn't need to see "/ Hollywood
Hogan and Sting were there. NWO's Scott Hall and Kevin Nash,
Randy Savage and Six, also WCW's Lex Luger and the Giant. My
Wife got Lex Lugers hair tie an embarrassment I'll learn to
live with :[ what has he got? OK, don't tell me I don't want
to hear it :) I followed a new F150 out of the parking lot!
I know what your asking! How long did he wait to be able to
post this and make it a Ford Truck issue? It felt like
forever :)
They use 8.8" rearends in them, not 9" anymore? Is it an
option? As for the looks of the new F150, as my friends in
the NWO would say, "Sweeeeet"!

Jim Strigas
jstrigas worldnet.att.net
'73 F100
'83 XJ900RK
'86 GL1200 Custom
'77 Buick Estate Wagon


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> From: BlueOval13 aol.com
> To: fordnatics lists.best.com
> Subject: '97 Trucks
> Date: Monday, June 30, 1997 7:10 AM
>
> I'm still haggling with the salesman on my new 97 F150
Flareside, regular cab
> 5.4L. The only thing it doesn't have that was on my
"wish" list is the
> limited slip differential (but it does have 3.55 gears).
I looked at the
> rear end assuming it would still be the 8.8" but it looks
ALOT different. Is
> it an 8.8 in a different housing or is it a totally
different rear end? If
> its not an 8.8, can I get a limited slip diff for it yet?
>
> Matt
>
> | Another Fordnatics post -- Author retains copyright --
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 19:13:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris North
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 67 electrical
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>Hello list members;
>
>I am having electrical problems in my 67 F-100. The front two parking lights
>work as they should when the headlight switch is on half way. When I pull the
>switch on all the way, the headlights go on but the parking lights up front go
>off. They function perfect when in turn signal mode, but they won't stay
>on with
>the headlights. Is it possible that the switch in the dash is bad? The rear
>lights work perfect, but just the front is acting weird. Any advice is
>appreciated.
>
>Also, is there anyone that can email me a good schematic for this truck? The
>libraries around here don't have anything even close.

No, your switch is not bad and your wiring is OK. The parking light
operation you describe is just like they are supposed to work. With most
vehicles (there were some exceptions!) of that era, the parking lights went
off when the headlights were turned on. I think that 1968 was the year
that parking lights started staying on (in conjunction with the
introduction of side markers). At least with autos, I assume that light
trucks were the same.

I think that you can 'modify' your lights if you want to have the parking
lights stay on (although why, I'm not sure. I think it adds style).
Replacing your switch will not do it. You have to modify your harness (or
switch). DO NOT run a jumper from the headlights to your parking lights.
This will fry your harness. I think that a jumper from the taillights to
your parking lights will do it, but I would have to look at a wiring
diagarm (schematic) to be sure. Sorry, I do not have one.

chris north

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 19:34:18 -0500
From: Bill Flood
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: 6 volt battery
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Hello,

I have a question......

I need to purchase a battery for my '39 ford truck, 6 volt. Does
cranking amps matter? The more the better? Help!

Thanks,

Bill Flood
Marathon, WI

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 19:59:10 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
To:
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Yep, cranking amps matter. The more the better!!! Make sure the battery
will fit the holder and remember positive ground.

Consider going to an 8 volt battery and cranking the voltage regulator up.

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> From: Bill Flood
> To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
> Subject: 6 volt battery
> Date: Monday, June 30, 1997 7:34 PM
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a question......
>
> I need to purchase a battery for my '39 ford truck, 6 volt. Does
> cranking amps matter? The more the better? Help!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill Flood
> Marathon, WI
>
>
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Date: 30 Jun 97 22:56:00 EDT
From: DC Beatty
To: "'FORD TRUCKS'"
Subject: 1967 electrical
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Talk about working to fix a non-problem. Thanks.

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:01:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: JRFiero aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: WIX filters trucks - '51 with '40 coupe
Message-ID:

Everything after the "In a message" line below is previous mail -
Curiously, I never got the original post about the 66 F100 and Mustang. Must
have been that Internet Service Provider problem!
Anyway, Wix has has several of these sets (well, at least two). I have a
'51 FI towing and '40 Coupe. I also picked up the pickup of the set w/o
coupe, intending to paint it like my very own real F1. Both the '51 and the
coupe are banks, with keyed openings on the bottom. You could buy the
pickup, then send in several (4?) Wix proofs of purchase with some additional
cash to get the trailer and coupe. Probably the same deal with the '66. I'm
told the '51 set is worth $75 - $100, but I bought the set for $45 in April,
and the pickup less than $20 in June. I say less than $20 because it was a
package deal with a '51 F6 Motorcraft oil tanker, and the asking price on the
pickup was $20. As stated in the earlier posts, the pickup/trailer/race cars
are Ertl, 1/25 scale I think, the tanker and several other F6s are 1st Gear.
I have 1st Gear dry goods van, beverage truck (racks of bottles on the
back), aforementioned tanker, and flatbed with '56 stock car, all '51, in
1/34 scale. I know there are additionally a stake body, and somebody makes a
firetruck. You can really blow a lot of money on these things. The price is
highly dependent on the graphics. I've seen the dry goods van in the most
variety, some pretty cool. Mine's a Gatriot Auto Supply, not very fancy.
The '51 pickup/trailer/race car also came as Hemmings Motor News and
Classic Motorbooks sets - there may be others, but I don't know of them.....

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