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fordtrucks-digest DigestVolume 97 : Issue 148

Today's Topics:

RE: 74 cougar [Dave Resch ]
Intro letter [Gwen Niehaus ]
RE: fordtrucks-digest Digest V97 #14 [Kevin Kemmerer ]
RE: Advance curves? Or is that price [Kevin Kemmerer ]
Holley 4 bbl [MadPoodle aol.com ]
Re: Holley problems - me too [Mike Schwall ]
RE: 74 cougar [William Sabers
Snap On Gas Analyzer Help [Randy Collins ]
Re: Advance curves? Or is that price [Don Grossman ]
paint colors for 1963 f-100 [Xql101 aol.com ]
Throttle cable 73-79 ["Donald R. Screen"
Ford VIN info received ["Donald R. Screen"
RE: Ford VIN info received [Randy Collins ]
Re: Advance curves? Or is that price [John MacNamara ]
Re: paint colors for 1963 f-100 [bbprice ]
Re: Distrubutor (1967/300) [MadPoodle aol.com ]
Re: Holley 4BBL questions - Me too : [MadPoodle aol.com ]
Re: Or is that price curves? [Don Grossman ]
Stereo noise [dhollingworth juno.com ]
Hot Paint [Flathead52 aol.com ]

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 97 15:09:00 PDT
From: Dave Resch
To: "'Ford Truck List'"
Subject: RE: 74 cougar
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Engine comments:

>> i have just aquired low mileage 74 cougar with a 351 cleveland motor
and a
>> cruise-a-matic tranny. the car runs very strong and the tranny seems
to
>> shift ok. my questions are is this a good motor?
>
>The 351 Cleveland is a good motor. It is different than its small
block
>cousin the 351 Windsor (fuel pump, water pump, heads, block.... nothin'
>serious :~) ) It is a good mid-range rpm motor. If is a 4-bbl with 4
>bolt mains, you may have something...

If this is the original engine in that car, it is probably a 351 Windsor,
and not a 351 Cleveland. According to my books, the last year Ford made
the 351C was 1972. I know a few Mustangs (and maybe Cougars and Torinos)
had left over 351Cs in 1973, but most 351s in cars from 1973-on were
Windsors, until the 351M came out in 1976. Interestingly, in their sales
literature, Ford referred to the 351M it used in some mid-70s passenger
cars as a 351 Cleveland, but it was not.

The easiest at-a-glance way to tell the difference between a Windsor and
a Cleveland (or 351M/400, which used the same head design as the
Cleveland) is to count the bolts on the valve cover or look at the shape
of the valve cover. The Windsor has 7 bolts on the valve cover and uses
the same style valve cover as the small block 289/302. The Cleveland
uses 8 bolts on the valve cover. Looking from above the head, the
Cleveland valve covers are square on the ends (rectangular overall),
where the small block (Windsor) valve covers are trapezoidal shaped
(narrower at the top -- toward the intake manifold).

Dave R.
1980 F250 4x4 351M

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:37:10 -0500
From: Gwen Niehaus
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This is a test. This is only a test. If this were an actual message, it
would show at least a little intelligence. I just signed onto FORDTRUCKS
and I wanted to let everyone know I'm here. I come from a long line of
FOMOCO drivers and I'm helping my 16 year old son restore his first car, a
65 Falcon convertible. I am working on my own 63 Econoline PU. Are there
any other Econoliners out there??? I'm in Baldwin, IL., just 45 miles SSE
of St. Louis. Does anyone know what happened to the Econo Club? One day I
was a member, the next day they disappeared. Happy motoring

Dave Niehaus
Baldwin, IL
63 Econoline PU

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:27:56 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
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Subject: RE: fordtrucks-digest Digest V97 #145
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to my knowledge the 351M and 400 motor perches work with the 385 series =
motors by making or buying the mounts from a company like L&L. on some =
perches the motor still sits a little high (on my 77 it does). the =
351M-400 perches are the only ones that work as far as i know.

sleddog

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From: jstandle oregontrail.net[SMTP:jstandle oregontrail.net]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 1997 1:39 PM
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Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest Digest V97 #145

hey,
I am trying to put a 429/C6 in my 1956 ford pickup, which has a 1979=20
2X4 f-150 chassis. Right now it has a ford 302/C-4. But I just=20
resently bought a 1979 Ford F-100 2X4 with a 400/C6. I was wondering=20
if the 429 motor mounts will match to the 400, thus letting me just=20
take them out of the pickup I bought and stick them in my '56 so I=20
will get my 429/C-6 combination I am looking for.

thanks.

Jordan
1956 Ford Pickup F-100/1979 Ford F-150 Chassis 302/C-4
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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:44:14 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
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Subject: RE: Advance curves? Or is that price curves?
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From: Mike Schwall[SMTP:mikes intx.net]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 1997 9:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Advance curves? Or is that price curves?

At 11:41 AM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>$1.30/gal gas??????????? hell, where i live $1.30 gets me 87 octane, and
that's the best deal in town! actually, 1.28 gets 87, but it take $1.45
sometimes to get 92 or better. race gas costs $4.00/gal or more and no gas
pumps here have the new unical 100 octane. of course that would most
likely sell for $1.80 or more here.

Regular 87 octane normally runs around $1.15. Near where I work there is a
Diamond Shamrock and a Race Track gas station that have a price war almost
every month. Regular 87 can get as low as $0.97 a gallon and 93/94 octane
can get down to $1.15.

Mike


if i send you a gas gan can you ups me some gas for my ford? ;)
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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 14:53:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: MadPoodle aol.com
To: herbie netvalue.net
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Subject: Holley 4 bbl
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Acording to my Holley manual:

R-6830A (Current Model # 0-6947)
1973 Ford Truck,Medium duty F250 Camper, 390, Auto Trans, emission's
Model 4160

Gasket Set 4-271
Master O/haul sset 85R-4804

Choke unload Setting .300 - .330
Choke qualifying Dimension .170 - .190 (Vacuum Kick) ??
Air Vent Adj .015

Uses a 25R-425-18 Power valve (Make sure you have right gasket for your
style power valve)


No special parts listed as far as I see, just a stock carb... Some of the
earlier models (70 - 72) used a two stage power valve tho.

Scott

Why do modem manufacturers have online help?

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 16:01:47 -0500
From: Mike Schwall
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Holley problems - me too
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At 08:06 PM 8/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>I suspect your secondaries are opening too soon. Disable the secondaries
>>and then try it (as a 2bbl). If that takes care of the problem, you need
>>to get a stronger spring for the secondary diaphram.
>>
>>
>> _| ~~. John Strauss
>> \, _} jstrauss inetport.com
>> \( Texas Fight!
>>
>
>
>Will try that, I'll let the list know what happens. I wish Holley made a
>spring that is between the standard and brown spring - sure is a wide RPM
gap.

It worked. I changed the spring from the plain to the brown and it cured
my problem. Works great. Now all I need to do is get to the junk yard and
get a newsed set of 3.50:1 gears for my truck. Then I need to find the 4
speed OD manual transmission that came in the '85 F150.

Thanks again!

Mike

Now if we can figure out the other guys problem...


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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 15:29:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: William Sabers
To: "'Ford Truck List'"
Subject: RE: 74 cougar
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another way to tell if it is a Clevland is look at the fuel pump. are the
mounting bolts on the top & bottom (Cleveland) or on either side of the
pump (Windsor).

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:38:06 -0700
From: Randy Collins
To: "'FORDTRUCKS'"
Subject: Snap On Gas Analyzer Help
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Fellas,

I am a weekend warrior mechanic that really likes to buy tools. Last =
week I purchased a Snap On MT - 405 Gas Analyzer. The analyzer has an =
analog needle type indicator that reads CO and CO2 amounts. The exhaust =
pickup portion is a red box that is attached to the analyzer by a 25' =
cord. The box has an arrow on it that says up and has a plastic tube =
that contains what looks like desiccant. =20

I just had two vehicles emission tested today and then hooked up my =
meter and compared the results. Unfortunately, the meter isn't =
accurate. I assume that the contents in the plastic tube needs to be =
replaced. Does anyone have experience with this tool. If so could you =
e-mail me with suggestions. =20

I apologize for the non Ford content. =20

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
460 C-6

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 18:08:32 -0700
From: Don Grossman
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Subject: Re: Advance curves? Or is that price curves?
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Mike Schwall wrote:
>
> At 11:41 AM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >$1.30/gal gas??????????? hell, where i live $1.30 gets me 87 octane, and
> that's the best deal in town! actually, 1.28 gets 87, but it take $1.45
> sometimes to get 92 or better. race gas costs $4.00/gal or more and no gas
> pumps here have the new unical 100 octane. of course that would most
> likely sell for $1.80 or more here.
>
> Regular 87 octane normally runs around $1.15. Near where I work there is a
> Diamond Shamrock and a Race Track gas station that have a price war almost
> every month. Regular 87 can get as low as $0.97 a gallon and 93/94 octane
> can get down to $1.15.
>
> Mike

And what planet are you all from and where can I get an application. I
just saw a price of $1.38 and thought I am getting a good deal. True
this is at a name brand station, it was a little cheaper at the watered
down place in town. I haven't seen gas prices in the 1.20's for about 2
years now, or has it been three, and I am talking about 87 octane. Just
as a side not Deisel #2 is now up to $1.54 a gallon.
--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:34:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Xql101 aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: paint colors for 1963 f-100
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i have a 63 f-100, and the body color is rangoon red, but i can't find
anywhere where the original engine color and trim color is listed. trim
includes the bumpers,grill, and wheels. i know the trim color is some type of
white, but which?...colonial white? corinthian white? wimbledon
white?...help! i need to get the new wheels painted so i can get it off the
jack stands.

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 22:56:27 -0500
From: "Donald R. Screen"
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Subject: Throttle cable 73-79
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Okay...
Hard to find an easy answer to my question about hooking up my
throttle rod and transmission kickdown rod to my Edlebrock carb.

Seems after much reading that I really do need to hookup the Ford
Adapter to my Edelbrock carb. The adapter has the auto transmission
lever whereas the basic 1406 carb does not.
When the adapter is installed my throttle and transmission rods do not
line up with the carb.


Rather than bend rods etc...I was thinking of using a throttle cable
operated system. Did any of the 1973-1979 F100's use a throttle cable
instead of the throttle rod system? How about the transmission
kickdown...anybody know if a cable system was used from the carb to the
C6 transmission (1973-1979)? The transmission kickdown rod on my F100
has always seemed less than ideal for controlling the kickdown (kinda
flops around). Do you think a post 1979 cable system could be adapted
to my 1974 F100 throttle pedal assembly and transmission kickdown?
I already have an Edelbrock throttle cable adapter plate and universal
throttle cable bracket that I can use.

Don
Allen, Texas

PS. My local junkyards are almost worthless...want to sell you stuff
whether or not it even comes close to what you really need....
Also not too many Ford trucks in the junkyards...seems they're all still
on the road!

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 23:09:31 -0500
From: "Donald R. Screen"
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The following is the response I got from Ford's Customer Assistance
Center.

You recently contacted Ford Motor Company regarding a 1974 F-
Series, vehicle identification (VIN) F10YKT61624.

The vehicle was assembled on 01/08/74 with the following options:

360 Cubic Inch V8 engine
133 Inch Wheelbase
Wimbledon White Exterior Paint
Regular Cab, Styleside Body
Ranger XLT Cab with Black Interior Trim
5500 Pound Gross Vehicle Weight Rating
Black Tape Stripe
Ammeter & Oil Pressure Gauges
Automatic Transmission
3.00 Conventional Rear Axle
Power Steering
H78 X 15B Belted White Sidewall Tires
Swing Lock Chrome Western Mirrors
Deluxe White Pickup Box Cover without Sliding Window
Air Conditioner
AM Radio
Tinted Glass
Protection Group
Mag Wheel Covers

John Milton
Technical Research Unit
Customer Assistance Center


I was very pleased to get this information...but it brought up a few
more questions.

1. What does the H and B refer to in the tire size H78 X 15B?
2. What are swing lock Western mirrors?
3. What is a Deluxe pickup box cover without sliding window?
4. Is the protection group the lap seat belts?
5. What exactly are Mag Wheel Covers?

Anybody care to take a stab at any of the above?

Don
Allen, Texas

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 00:34:15 -0700
From: Randy Collins
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Subject: RE: Ford VIN info received
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1. What does the H and B refer to in the tire size H78 X 15B?
No Idea. =20
2. What are swing lock Western mirrors?
Must be the "standard" Ford swing away left and right side mirrors. =20
3. What is a Deluxe pickup box cover without sliding window?
Out west we would call it the Factory Ford camper shell. =20
4. Is the protection group the lap seat belts?
Maybe body moldings. =20
5. What exactly are Mag Wheel Covers?
I have a set of these on a 1977 2WD truck. They are hubcaps that are =
supposed to look like after-market style wheels. Ford didn't fool to =
many folks with these. =20
Anybody care to take a stab at any of the above?


Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 05:09:57 -0700
From: John MacNamara
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Advance curves? Or is that price curves?
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Don Grossman wrote:
>
> Mike Schwall wrote:
> >
> > At 11:41 AM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
> > >$1.30/gal gas??????????? hell, where i live $1.30 gets me 87 octane, and
> > that's the best deal in town! actually, 1.28 gets 87, but it take $1.45
> > sometimes to get 92 or better. race gas costs $4.00/gal or more and no gas
> > pumps here have the new unical 100 octane. of course that would most
> > likely sell for $1.80 or more here.
> >
> > Regular 87 octane normally runs around $1.15. Near where I work there is a
> > Diamond Shamrock and a Race Track gas station that have a price war almost
> > every month. Regular 87 can get as low as $0.97 a gallon and 93/94 octane
> > can get down to $1.15.
> >
> > Mike
>
> And what planet are you all from and where can I get an application. I
> just saw a price of $1.38 and thought I am getting a good deal. True
> this is at a name brand station, it was a little cheaper at the watered
> down place in town. I haven't seen gas prices in the 1.20's for about 2
> years now, or has it been three, and I am talking about 87 octane. Just
> as a side not Deisel #2 is now up to $1.54 a gallon.
> --
> Don Grossman
> duckdon pacific.net
>
> 63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44
>
> Phase 172: rebuild front suspension
>
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Don: From your internet address "pacific.net" I would guess your from
California. I was just in Las Vegas last weekend and you can get 87
octane from around $1.18. We here in California are being ripped off as
usual by our state govt for excess taxes.

Just my .02

John MacNamara

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 Gt500
66 427 Corvette

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 08:41:23 -0400
From: bbprice
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: paint colors for 1963 f-100
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Xql101 aol.com wrote:

> i have a 63 f-100, and the body color is rangoon red, but i can't find
>
> anywhere where the original engine color and trim color is listed.
> trim
> includes the bumpers,grill, and wheels. i know the trim color is some
> type of
> white, but which?...colonial white? corinthian white? wimbledon
> white?...help! i need to get the new wheels painted so i can get it
> off the
> jack stands.
>

My data shows that two different colors of white were available for the
1963 pickups, they were white and Corinthian White. Unfortunately my
book does not tell what the engine colors available were. May be someone
else will have that information.

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 09:06:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: MadPoodle aol.com
To: duckdon pacific.net, fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Distrubutor (1967/300)
Message-ID:

You might want to think twice before using an EFI 300...
I traded my 83 F250HD, 4 speed, A/C, 4:10 rear for an 87, same specs. 83 had
modified factory carb, and free flow muffler, and got 16 to 20 MPG (yes I
know, but I had the documentation). 87, even after some mods,never got above
10 to 14. Neither Ford nor I ever got it to idle as smooth as my old engine,
and power from 55 MPH up stunk (not that I would be admitting to exceeding
the speed limits or anything)...
I run a small fleet of Ford 250 / 350's, and we noticed this across the board
as we replaced trucks. We also noticed shorter engine life with the injected
engines for some reason. Rebuilds were more frequent. No idea why. We now use
351's [no 5.8's here ;^) ] in our trucks..
Just a lil snack for thought...

Scott

Back Up My Hard Drive? How do I Put it in Reverse?

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 11:53:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: MadPoodle aol.com
To: mikes intx.net, fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Holley 4BBL questions - Me too :)
Message-ID:

Another thing to check is the little ball and seat some Holley's have on the
accelerator pump discharge nozzle. If leaking, it can suck fuel thru when
running. Look down throat and see if ant fuel coming out discharge nozzle
when running.. Holley makes a differnt style nozzle that is less prone to
"drooling", I have P/N somewhere if needed....

Scott

Why do modem manufacturers have online technical assistance?

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 10:11:48 -0700
From: Don Grossman
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Or is that price curves?
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John MacNamara wrote:

> Don: From your internet address "pacific.net" I would guess your from
> California. I was just in Las Vegas last weekend and you can get 87
> octane from around $1.18. We here in California are being ripped off as
> usual by our state govt for excess taxes.
>
> Just my .02
>
> John MacNamara
>
> 78 F250 4X4 Supercab
> 67 Gt500
> 66 427 Corvette

One more thing that really gets me is that I can drive 30 miles to the
coast and the gas prices are about 10 to 12 cents more than here. Still
in the same state and still in the same county and the prices can very
that much. I am in Northern California, you guessed it. Anybody want
to start on the DMV?

--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 13:56:50 EDT
From: dhollingworth juno.com
To: Fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Stereo noise
Message-ID:

To Ford Truck enthusiasts

I have a question to see if anyone else has run into this problem when
trying to install a aftermarket stereo in a 1980s Truck or Bronco. I
have a 1984 full size Bronco and have a Sony radio and cassette player in....


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