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fordtrucks-digest DigestVolume 97 : Issue 146

Today's Topics:

Coil grounding/ was: Re: Edelbrock c [sdelanty sonic.net ]
Re: JCWhitney info, F-1 wiring harne [JRFiero aol.com ]
Re: Distrubutor (1967/300) [Don Grossman ]
Re: Holley 4BBL questions. ["Donald R. Screen"
74 cougar ["Jon & Cindy Johnson"
Re: fordtrucks-digest Digest [vanderpool research.moore.com ]
hello, i have a question [Schwa32 aol.com ]
Re: 74 cougar [William Sabers
Re: Broken C-6 ["Rodney S. Richeson"
RE: Broken C-6 [Randy Collins ]
RE: 460 Maximum Compression Ratio? [Kevin Kemmerer ]
RE: Advance curves? [Kevin Kemmerer ]
Jet plane on hood of 61 Effy [Bill Adams

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 19:11:19 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
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Subject: Coil grounding/ was: Re: Edelbrock carb
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>> had to put an extender on on and the coil will not mount to the
>> Edelbrock intake manifold so I have to find a new place to mount it.
>> Currently my coil is hanging by cable ties just above the engine.
>
>Doesn't the coil need to be grounded? My coil came loose on my Dura
>Spark system and the engine died. Tightened the mount bolt up and
>off we went :-)

Hmmm, it *shouldnt* die.
Coils don't need to be grounded.
There isn't usually isn't any electrical connection between the
guts and the case.
A coil that shows less than a few Megohms resistance between any
terminal and the case is no good, or will be soon....

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty

1971 F100 shortbox, FE390, T-18 4-speed

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:28:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: JRFiero aol.com
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: JCWhitney info, F-1 wiring harness
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In a message dated 97-08-06 03:36:55 EDT, you write:


800-874-9981. These guy have the best. I would not buy ANYTHING from JC
Whitney, I have always had bad luck and their are many othe quality
suppliers
around
>>
My recent update on the Whitney wiring harness was a continuation of a post
from over a month ago, which included my comments that I've had good
experiences with various truck, sports car, and motorcycle parts from
Whitney, and have previously purchased a '52 F1 Panel truck wiring harness
from them. The suggestions about other suppliers are valid, you can get
wiring from lots of others, but its four times the cost, and I don't need the
correct color braided cloth on my wires. Whitney's supplier is in Brazil,
now as it was way back when I got the '52, so it doesn't surprise me too much
that they don't happen to have '51 harnesses hanging around in the warehouse,
although the customer service rep who called me back from Whitney (!) said
there intent was to actually have them on hand.
I'll post again when I hear more, and let y'all know what I get when/if I
get it.

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 19:41:50 -0700
From: Don Grossman
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sdelanty sonic.net wrote:
>
> >Recently I found I nice used 300, hower it did no have a distrubutor
> >etc.
> > I've seen several discussions concerning using the Dura Spark, but
> >nothing for a six. Does any one know what years to use and if a 8 will
> >work for a 6. Thanks
>
> Sure, Duraspark was on *tons* of 80's 300cid sixes.
> Don't know the exact range of Years... '82-'85 is probably a sure bet,
> but the range may be much wider.
>

Starting in 76 if the book is right. I have a 77 300 six that came with
the duraspark system. I used the box and wiring on my 390. The box is
the blue style and worked just fine. The box has no sense of howmany
cylinders it has control over. If you could mate it to a V12 it would
still work. I think......

> I don't know if Ford still makes the big 6, but they were still being
> made at least into the early 90's.

Ford made the 300 six up until 97 with the old body style. The jump to
EFI was made in 87 and I think used a completely different ignition
system. Some of those trucks should be showing up in junk yards by
now. Totaled out and stuff. The EFI is a great system and worked fine
on the 87 that I once had.

> Lots of 300's even have EEC-IV Fuel injection.
>
> I almost bought an EFI 300/6 for my truck, but they wanted *way*
> too much money for it and an FE390 fell into my lap for dirt cheap..
>
> happy motoring,
>
> Steve Delanty
>
> 1971 F100 shortbox, FE390, T-18 4-speed

--
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 22:25:11 -0500
From: "Donald R. Screen"
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Keith Srb wrote:
>
> Yes I flipped the cover back over. It still has the same symptoms, but to a
> lesser degree. By that I mean I still can't stick my foot through the floor
> board with it out it bogging down, only now if I hold it to the floor, it will


I recently worked on a friends Camry...I know I shouldn't touch anything
other than a Ford...but his car was bogging down badly. Tried numerous
things over a two week period. Finally handed it over to one of his
relatives who is a drag racer. He found that the intake manifold gasket
was leaking. There are a few ways to check this but the only one I can
think of now is to spray WD40 around the gasket area and see if the idle
speeds up or improves. This means it is sucking air in through the
gasket area where it should not be leaking. CAREFUL with the WD40 it is
flameable. I'd have a fire extinguisher nearby if you go this route. I
do know there is something else you can spray that is not flameable that
will yield the same results, just can't remember right now what it is.
Anybody else wanna jump in on this one?


His Camry was driveable if you went easy on the accelerator but the
second you put your foot into it...the engine bogged down to the point
of dying. Hope this helps.

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:29:44 -0400
From: "Jon & Cindy Johnson"
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i have just aquired low mileage 74 cougar with a 351 cleveland motor and a
cruise-a-matic tranny. the car runs very strong and the tranny seems to
shift ok. my questions are is this a good motor? is a cruise-a-matic the
same as a C6 tranny? would this combo make a good replacement for my 460 C6
that are presently in my 65 F 100? i thought that this tranny was a C6 but
when i went to buy pan gasket and filter for the thing they were
different. with some research i found the cruise-a-matic was the same as
what i had. also i have just found a 65 F100 step side short box truck
that has been stored inside (heated) for the last 8 years that isin pretty
good shape. the guy who has it has xtra fenders doors grills bumpers ect
that will go with it. it has a 6 and a 3 speed on the tree that has not
been started for 5 yrs. would this be good buy at $600.00?

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:43:44 -0400
From: vanderpool research.moore.com
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Jim Vanderpool MOORECORP
08/08/97 07:43 AM
Please unsubscribe me from your list.
My e-mail is as follows:

vanderpool research.moore.com

Thank You,
Jim Vanderpool

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:04:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Schwa32 aol.com
To: FORDTRUCKS lofcom.com
Subject: hello, i have a question
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I am intersted in finding out facts about a 1941 Ford Half Ton Pickup w/ a 4
cylinder. Do you know the production numbers of these or any places i could
obtain the information


any help is appreciate, thanks

my e-mail address is schwa32 aol.com (russ) thanks

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 08:57:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: William Sabers
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> i have just aquired low mileage 74 cougar with a 351 cleveland motor and a
> cruise-a-matic tranny. the car runs very strong and the tranny seems to
> shift ok. my questions are is this a good motor?

The 351 Cleveland is a good motor. It is different than its small block
cousin the 351 Windsor (fuel pump, water pump, heads, block.... nothin'
serious :~) ) It is a good mid-range rpm motor. If is a 4-bbl with 4
bolt mains, you may have something...

> is a cruise-a-matic the same as a C6 tranny?

not even... Closer to the c-4. is that stock?


> would this combo make a good replacement for my 460 C6
> that are presently in my 65 F 100?

You would be trading torque for rpms. What do you do w? your 65?


> also i have just found a 65 F100 step side short box truck
> that has been stored inside (heated) for the last 8 years that isin pretty
> good shape. the guy who has it has xtra fenders doors grills bumpers ect
> that will go with it. it has a 6 and a 3 speed on the tree that has not
> been started for 5 yrs. would this be good buy at $600.00?
>

I would consider the '65 as a good deal

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 07:51:44 +0000
From: "Rodney S. Richeson"
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Subject: Re: Broken C-6
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Now that I think of it the truck is currectly a bolt on yoke and the
tranny I have is a slip joint...

I have no forward in any gear. Reverse works fine.

Rod



DC Beatty wrote:
>
> Rod. Are you talking about changing from a slip-in yoke tailpiece to a bolt-on
> yoke tailpiece, or vice-versa? If so you must change the output shaft, which
> involves disassembly of the tranny. The output shaft cannot be removed by just
> removing the tailpiece of the tranny.
>
> What exactly is the C-6 doing that needs a "rebuild?"
>
> Good luck,
>
> DC Beatty
> 1967 F-100 352
> 1974 Maverick 302
>
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> I broke down and had a tranny shop look at my C-6. I got the usual
> answer, Rebuild it, can't be fixed has to be redone. I can't afford
> that at this point, but I do have another C-6 that's out of a car. Can
> I remove the tailpiece from it and slide my NP-205 onto it? I know its
> wishfull thinking but what is involved with making a car tranny work
> with the truck? Am I better off to pull transfer case and tranny and be
> a *gasp* two wheel drive for awhile?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Rod
> 77.5 F-250
>
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 09:45:22 -0700
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I don't "do" transmissions so I can't say from firsthand but I have had =
a couple of these transmissions built for my various projects. All of =
the transmission guys agree that the rear external housing can be =
unbolted from outside the transmission. Unfortunately, the rear output =
shafts are different. To access the rear shaft the transmission has to =
be disassembled. =20

That is unless all of the transmission guys have taken my money over the =
years....

Just my .02

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
460 C-6



-----Original Message-----
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Now that I think of it the truck is currectly a bolt on yoke and the
tranny I have is a slip joint...

I have no forward in any gear. Reverse works fine.

Rod



DC Beatty wrote:
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> involves disassembly of the tranny. The output shaft cannot be removed =
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> removing the tailpiece of the tranny.
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> What exactly is the C-6 doing that needs a "rebuild?"
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> 1967 F-100 352
> 1974 Maverick 302
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>=20
> I broke down and had a tranny shop look at my C-6. I got the usual
> answer, Rebuild it, can't be fixed has to be redone. I can't afford
> that at this point, but I do have another C-6 that's out of a car. =
Can
> I remove the tailpiece from it and slide my NP-205 onto it? I know =
its
> wishfull thinking but what is involved with making a car tranny work
> with the truck? Am I better off to pull transfer case and tranny and =
be
> a *gasp* two wheel drive for awhile?
>=20
> Thanks in advance.
>=20
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> 77.5 F-250
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:29:41 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
To: "'fordtrucks lofcom.com'"
Subject: RE: 460 Maximum Compression Ratio?
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yes, no doubt, but i use cloyes timing gear and that gives me +-4 deg. =
to play with. sometimes it makes a difference, sometimes it is =
marginal. my comp cams 292 in one motor made a big difference on top =
when retarded 4 deg. with no noticable difference on bottom. sometimes =
the difference is very small at both ends.
sleddog

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From: Daver[SMTP:f150 koyote.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 1997 7:29 AM
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: 460 Maximum Compression Ratio?

Kevin Kemmerer wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
> i really don't think your two goals are in conflict. all my 460's =
have had grunt down low, and pulled well into 5500 to 6500 range. my =
last motor won't rev quite as high, but makes torque in the 3000-5000 =
rpm range which i have never felt in a "small cube big block" before =
that easily makes up for the loss at the top. with a smaller stall =
speed, this motor would be a great heavy truck motor for racing or =
pulling a 10,000# trailer, with a standard or auto trans (rv converter).
>=20
> i don't know your tire size, but i run 33" mudders with 3.50 axle =
gears. this truck was quick and ran on the highway like a sports car on =
steriods.
>=20
> sleddog

Another aproach is to take the 2500 to 6500 camcan dial it in for say
1000 to 5000. on a torker this stratagy can give you a great deal more
tork but will usually sacrifice high end horse power.

Molater

Daver


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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:41:54 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
To: "'fordtrucks lofcom.com'"
Subject: RE: Advance curves?
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From: Mike Schwall[SMTP:mikes intx.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 1997 8:59 PM
To: fordtrucks lofcom.com
Subject: Re: Advance curves?


If I were to go down in octane, I would surely need a ride home just =
after
a few miles away from the gas station :)=20

Gotta love that $1.30/gal gas!

Mike

$1.30/gal gas??????????? hell, where i live $1.30 gets me 87 octane, =
and that's the best deal in town! actually, 1.28 gets 87, but it take =
$1.45 sometimes to get 92 or better. race gas costs $4.00/gal or more =
and no gas pumps here have the new unical 100 octane. of course that =
would most likely sell for $1.80 or more here.

i live in the eastern part of PA, right next to Jersey. the gas is =
cheaper in jersey just 1 mile over the bridge, but only by 1 or 2 cents. =....

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